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I don't get it, I just don't get it!! I've been raised in this thing called UPCI, and am a very proud member to this day (22 years old). Okay, so why can't I wear shorts, well let me rephrase....why is it looked down upon when I wear them. What's the justification (scripture, etc.). Women can now where their skirts clear up to their knees, with their legs showing (and no panty-hose). Why can't I wear shorts, when I'm out running and excercising, or when I'm just out in general. It doesn't make sense!

We've let out guard down on so much already, why not just go the extra step farther and ourlaw the shorts rule.

Ok, just to disclaimer....I'm not bitter, I'm not mad, and I wear shorts! k:thumbsup

Traditions of men

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UP, you bring up some good points. From some of your other posts I know you go to a quite conservative church. There are some UPCers who do wear shorts. Generally I don't think non shorts policies are pushed much anymore except for those in leadership positions.

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Do you need permission? If it is practical, then it is good taste! Shorts in the hot summer time is very practical, so wear modest shorts and be blessed. Paul said he would not be judged by any man, this may be out of context, I have to look and see? LOL

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How short and still say we are "modest"?

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To keep with the teachings of your church, why not opt for skorts or the skirts where the tights are really cute underneath them?
http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-cont...9/04/skort.jpg

http://www.golfapparelstores.com/wp-...1/04/skort.jpg

Just a suggestion. However, wearing shorts is NOT wrong as long as they are a modest length and compliment your figure. I just dont know how you will be seen in the eyes of the church you attend, and you sound really young. :)

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I believe to the knees is a modest length, especially considering what I see most running around in today.

Of course I have seen some blue jeans so tight they were less modest than most shorts. And I could throw some blouses in there too.

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That is something I have never understood myself, I am a Pastor, and I have preached some really good sermons in a pair of shorts, on the platform, with my organist backing me up in a pair. I am so glad to be independent Apostolic, not stuck under some rules and regulations factory!

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p.s. I HATE shorts. I never wear them. Okay, bye lol.

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yeah, so how many of you that are responding are UPCI members...lol?

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Depends. Are your legs ugly?

Edit: Are you a guy? If you're a gal, sorry, I wouldn't have asked you about your legs, if I'd known. But, still. It does kinda matter. :heeheehee

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My wife has a few shorts that look very much like Daisy Dukes. She feels uncomfortable wearing them outside of the house but I keep telling her she looks just fine in them! <hint hint>

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Me :thumbsup

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I am not!!!

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nope, never been :)

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Was, but not for the last three years.

My Story on Shorts

When I was in college, 19-22, I started to question some of the standards that I had been raised with. I experimented with sleeve lengths and questioned God about the issues with shorts. My pastor gave me some latitude to pray and discover.

God first showed me the problems with a pair of shorts. I had barely got done asking Him about it while waiting for class to begin, and a young man in knee length shorts sat down across from me. As he was sitting as those of us who are guys do, I could see 3/4 of his thigh. That was the last time that I ever even asked about wearing shorts. The possible solution to this is for men to learn how to sit like ladies when ladies are wearing skirts that short.(j/k)

God then dealt with my sleeves and for two or three years I would request frequent reminders as to why I wear my sleeves where I do. He never failed to grant that request.

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How many on this forum were "trained up in the way they should go", so that when
they become adults, they will not depart from it! From what! Their training up in the
way they SHOULD go, or live! If we, as adults, don't know how to possess our vessels,
how are your children, grandchildren, etc., going to know. We should be their example.
The UPC or any other organization didn't raise me! My late parents raised me and my
ten siblings, and taught us the way we should go. When we become adults, we should
know how to live, including how to feed ourselves, walk, talk, dress, etc.
Not trying to be offensive, but speaking the truth in love.

Falla39

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LOL the point was, when that "doctrine" came about of teaching to no wear shorts, they were the extremely short Shorts. We are not talking knee length, we are talking where the male genitalia is almost on display. That was the sports attire of the early to late 40's.

Are today's current male shorts modest? You know the ones that go past your knees? Sure. I would not be offended.

I think you guys on both sides take information a skew it.

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I agree!

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Good post. Everyone here knows what it means to be modest as it applies to them personally. Do that and you'll be fine. Look for loopholes based on the letter of the law vs the spirit of it, and you'll go off course.

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Not me. I was trained up AofG style. :lol

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Apostolic of Gentiles ? :happydance

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I sat next to a friend writing out a tithe check, once. You don't even want to know how she abbreviated "Assembly". :lol

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That was my whole point. Ladies now days wearing shorts with the backsides hanging out!

Other then the bible specifically stating the separation of men and women's garments; and that of the demand of modesty, anything else could be considered pharisee-acle.

In my opinion the way you should dress should be answered in such manner.
1) Does it represent the my Gender?
2) Is it considered modest to myself?
3) Can it be a stumbling block to cause others to sin? (lust, envy, strife)

That is the basic biblical teachings. Anything else is man made, super imposed restrictions.

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I found this on a site, I visit quite often. Just did the ole' copy and paste...meaning I did not write this! :-) Here's a link to the site! http://www.whyileft.org

Many churches in the UPC teach that men should not wear shorts. In my experience the only Scriptural backing that is given for this doctrine is this Scripture passage:

Isa 47:1-3 KJV
(1) Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
(2) Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
(3) Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

I have already discussed this passage in my article on Misinterpreted Scriptures, so in this article I am simply going to repeat the material that I have already written in that article:

Misinterpretation: The UPC often uses this Scripture to try to prove that it is wrong for men to wear shorts or for women to wear skirts above the knee.

Facts: If this Scripture is teaching that men cannot wear shorts then it is also teaching that women cannot remove their veils. Let’s take a closer look at the Scripture to see what I mean.

To understand this Scripture we must look at what the phrase "uncover thy locks" means. "Uncover thy locks" means "remove the veil." Here is how several mainstream English translations render Isaiah 47:2 (I have included Young’s Literal Translation, since many UPC pastors use this translation for study):

Isa 47:2 YLT (Young’s Literal Translation)
(2) Take millstones, and grind flour, Remove thy veil, draw up the skirt, Uncover the leg, pass over the floods.

Isa 47:2 NASB
(2) "Take the millstones and grind meal. Remove your veil, strip off the skirt, Uncover the leg, cross the rivers.

Isa 47:2 ESV
(2) Take the millstones and grind flour, put off your veil, strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.

Isa 47:2 GNB
(2) Turn the millstone! Grind the flour! Off with your veil! Strip off your fine clothes! Lift up your skirts to cross the streams!

Isa 47:2 JPS (Jewish Translation of the Old Testament)
(2) Take the millstones, and grind meal; remove thy veil, strip off the train, uncover the leg, pass through the rivers.

I included these five mainstream English translations because I want to show that the common rendering of the verse is "remove your veil," and that it is not a translation that I came up with on my own. My point is this: If this verse proves that it is immodest for a person to wear shorts or skirts above the knee then it also proves that it is immodest for women to remove their veils.

It is clear that there is no basis for using this Scripture to try to prove that shorts are immodest on men or women. The UPC teaching that says that men should not wear shorts is a great example of the common UPC practice of pulling one Scripture out of context and using it to create a doctrine that it was never meant to teach. The simple fact of the matter is that the Bible never even hints that shorts are immodest on men or women.

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Many articles of clothing can be either modest or immodest, depending upon how they are worn...

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True....won't go into detail, but yeah I can pull my pants way up and make them immodest. lolol

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:blink

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Exactly!

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Never dreamed the day would come when Apostolic Pentecostals would be arguing
about whether they could wear shorts or not. A few years ago, the question was
whether you could wear Skorts or not. Will the day come when the question will be
"Can we go naked"! Adam and Eve were naked in the beginning. Why can't we go
naked. We are born naked. Where will it stop!

I know people right now that God is showing the truth to, and they are SO thankful.
Blessed are they that do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

Falla39

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You still haven't given an explanation as to why not. I don't think anybody has ever been able to justify it...EVER! It always just ends up being, it's immodest. How are shorts any more immodest than a women s skirt at the knees.

....and the reason why you are seeing it argued, is because you have a generation coming up that is tired of rules without just justification. Shorts isn't the only issue....there are many others...

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Amen:highfive

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Says the man with hair on his face!! :shocked::drama

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Unitedpraise10,
Are you saying you have been a proud member of the UPCI for 22 yrs, OR are you saying you are 22 yrs old. It looks like you are saying you have been a proud member of the UPCI all of your 22 yrs old. Right!

Falla39

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I wear shorts. I go to a UPC. I don't wear shorts to a church meeting though. Nobody bothers me about them unless they go to a non UPC Oneness church across town :thumbsup

Slippery Slope alert!

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I UPC.... Don't really wear um much but if they are the longer type I don't mind people wearing them. As much as the wearing of shorts would be hard for me to adapt to, so is the idea of dressing down for everyday clothes. I never did the beach bum thing much - but that's just what I got used to.

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I wear long shorts out in public - very modest ones. I have some shorter ones that I wear around the house in the summer, or inside our fenced in yard.
Good grief - the whole thing comes down to modesty. If you want to be immodest and draw attention to your body, you can do it in a long skirt and long sleeves. I've seen it done many times. The Bible doesn't teach skirt (or shorts) length - you just have to use Godly wisdom and strive to be holy.