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i have a friend who had a financial need, we prayed together and asked the lord in agreement to make away, she would ask people to help meet her need ,i on the other hand did not feel this was trusting in god to make the way, what do you think i remember a time i was in need of something and i went to a very close relative well i was hurt i could not believe they did not help me i was so hurt, but when i got home i heard i didnt tell you to ask them you are to ask me,but because i took it upon myself i got my feelings hurt, my friend said god showed you a way to do things and me a way something just didnt seem right, could someone give me there thoughts on this

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For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. Psalms 27:5 KJV

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Asking God and asking friends and relatives also is not at odds. It should be fine as long as there is no obligation implied.

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but isnt that kinda like doing it yourself and taking it out of gods hands,she said she new she could ask several people then shed have her need met if that is the case then why ask god, im just trying to understand

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Faith166-

Read what I wrote on EFFECTUAL FERVANT PRAYER

Not really. Do you still take a very sick kid to the doctor even if you ask God to heal them? I hope so.

To expound: sometimes God will see fit to perform a miracle, but that does not proclude our obligation to be resourceful and try to put some effort into finding a solution. Just my opinion.

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i remember a time i was living with my son in my parents home,it was fall and would soon be turning cold my son did not have a coat, i knew that all i had to do was tell my mom and dad and they would buy him one, but the bible says he knows what we have need of before we ask but ask, so i didnt ask my parents i asked him, within a week or so a lady brought me a sack of boys clothes and as she walked to her car to get them for me about halfway she turned around and said oh yeah and theres a coat in there too, a very nice coat and one that fit my son, i have been blessed with 3 free cars in my life not because i asked anyone cause i didnt but i prayed and asked god, i just have a hard time having faith in god to supply my need,but then at the same time asking others to supply it when we are to ask him knowing he will make a way, now if someone has heard of your need and offers to help that is one thing but to go to someone and say i need 500 dollars can you help me just doesnt seem right to me i mean wont he make the way

I don't ask anyone for anything. I also have great difficulty receiving charity that is offered by others. Maybe it's pride, Idk. I was without work for several months last year. A few times it looked like I was going to go without, but God supplied my need in abundance.

I agree there are better options than asking for money. But I don't think faith means sitting idly by.

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amen houston he knows what we have need of, you didnt have to ask anyone for anything and he made the way, i was telling this woman about a time when i was low on food and i got blessed this lady said to me if you are ever low on food you come to me and i will make sure you have it i said thats awful sweet of you miss thompson but god told me to ask him and if he lays it on your heart then so be it, im just trying to understand literally going out and saying i need 200.00 can you help me i thought we were to ask him straighten me out if im wrong

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thanks to those who responded i think im just gonna take this to the lord and ask him, hes never failed me yet god bless

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Faithut166,
This is just me, but I know HIM well enough that I take my needs directly to HIM.
I also don't go and ask the pastor to pray for everything I need because I know how
to ask myself. I don't need someone to do what I can do myself. I grew up in a family
of eleven children. I was the eldest daughter, having one older brother by 14 mos. I
learned early in life how to feed myself, do a lot of things for myself. There were nine
siblings younger than myself. Some of us had to learn to do some things for ourselves
early on. I helped do many things for my younger siblings. Didn't think a thing about it.

Many in the church today, do not know how to pray for themselves, help with the new
"babies", etc. They run to the pastor with ever little situation. Many pastors are worn
out from "feeding, teaching, babysitting, etc., older "babies" who parents didn't teach
them to look to God for anything. Just ask Pastor. I know people who wouldn't teach
their children, but would tell their kids, "You'll have to ask pastor whether you can do
or not do this. The pastors have their own families. God didn't call him to raise others
children. The "training up in the way they should go", is the parents responsibility!

Some pastors may love it so, but it should not be. We have a Bible and the Holy Ghost
to lead and guide us. Make room for the "new converts or babies." Many need to grow up
in Christ"!
There are those who ask me to pray for them for situations and I am happy to do so. Now
instead of telling them, "Yes, I'll be praying for you, I start praying right then. That way
they will learn how to pray themselves. Children learn by example and "big kids can too!
Never too late too learn. Hugs!

Falla39

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There is a old saying if it aint broke dont fix it.

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thanks falla

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In the complex array of relationships that we have, most people will have someone close that they can ask for help in a time of need. Asking for help a lot will often narrow that close circle of friends until one finds oneself friendless. Your friend will have to either use, or perhaps learn a bit of wisdom here.

I don't think there is anything wrong - on principle - with taking some action to get things done. We're human beings and we are expected to be doing something here.

Philippians 4:19, says: "And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus."

... does this mean that we don't have to "do" anything ever because God will supply ALL of my needs? No. What about asking God for something? Does the act of asking mean that I should now do nothing at all in this area? No.

Matthew 6:25-34, tells us that God already knows what we need before we even ask. Moreover, Jesus points out how that the birds and even the lilies of the field all have a provision made for them by God - and they don't even have to ask for it.

Bust still, there is the "sweat of your face" thing that applies to all that we need and do (Genesis 3:19). I wouldn't sit around too long waiting "for God to answer." It may well be that God is waiting for your friend to act so that He may bless her labors.

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your friend is right. God has not shown them the way..
and you cannot make another person experience your revelation..you can share it with them....My opinion is that your friend wants the need met more than getting it from God...in this situation the money God rules..
and the love of money is........:smack

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I don't think any of us can say what is God's will for another, unless it is a revelation from God for that person. In the new testament church, they gave as they saw a need, it seems. How would they know about the need if nobody was sharing their need.

Personally, God doesn't always supernaturally tell me someone has a need, sometimes I am too busy to hear I suppose, and I am grateful to be allowed to help when someone shares a need and God tells me I am the one to help.

On the other hand, I HAVE been the one that God has spoken to to give to someone that didn't share a need with anyone and they saw the miracle in it and that was good too.

Lets take it case by case, not try to make it some big theological thing that isn't in the Bible. :highfive

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To ask someone else to meet their need is not good for the person in need. If they ask someone to meet their need, what have they learned? Nothing. They are no better off and will soon be in need for someone to meet their next need. They need to go to the Lord, asking for wisdom and seek to be resourceful. If they have God in them, there will be a resource that will rise up within them that will produce what is needed.

Many years ago, I was struggling financially since we were going through a severe down turn in the economy. I was at my wits end. I discussed this with my mother and asked her to help me pray. A few days later, she said to me, "God said to tell you that the power is within you." It was as though a light went on. That's it! The power is within me. It was a turning point in my life. The power is within your friend, if they have God.

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thanks for all the responses

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:highfive

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What if y'all hadn't prayed about it, and she went on and asked? Could those friends and family had said no? Maybe the asking God was so they would say yes to helping her. God often times uses a vessel. Maybe these people are just His vessel to bring her blessing.

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Are you taking it out of God's hands by asking us?

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A couple of points;

1. God answers many prayers through actions of people he directs
2. God expects us to use common sense in meeting our basic needs to the best of our ability and then he will do whatever extra needs to be done.

I mention number two because I thought it was odd that when you and your son were lving with your parents and you knew you could tell them their grandson needed a coat and they would get it you thought it was better to pray for God to provide. Unless they were destitute and could not afford getting your son a coat I think you should have brought the need to their attention first. That is one of the things God gave us families for - support in times of trouble. Why should God have to get a stranger to drop off clothes if your family, who you were living with, have the means to provide it and would gladly do so? As I said God expects us to do the best we can to provide for ourselves and our families first before he steps in.

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nope her need was met

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so you feel i should have asked my parents to buy my son a coat? instead of asking god, does he not supply all or needs according to his riches and glory, the bible says he knows what we have need of before we ask but ask, when i asked him and he sent that person to my house noone got the glory but him, god could have easily spoken to my mother or my father, but chose to do it in away,told me that not only did he hear my prayer but he answered a coat may be a small thing to some, but he cares about the little things also, tho i am willing to work at any given time and do everything i can i do not believe gods children have to ask people for money, why should they when their father owns it all, and besides why ask god to make away if you take it out of his hands and do it yourself,where would he get glory in that jmo

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faith, I think you are making the right choices for you. We are to seek God first, how He supplies our needs is not as important than that He does.

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I agree with u bishop

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James informs us that people will at times ask us for help and we should comply. He would not say that if God did not allow for it.


James 2:14-16 KJV What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, (16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

If we were not supposed to help people out, as though God answers all these things and people should not come to us, then James would never have told us to help people since God would do it all instead.

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Faithit,

If someone needs something they should get it the same way one acquires any asset. They plan what it is they need and prepare a budget to accommodate it. If it is an emergency like medical or basic needs, then by all means use the resources God has provided via Government programs, the Salvation Army, and friends and family.

Asking God for free cars etc., just sounds a bit weird to me.

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hoovie i did not ask god for a free car,i asked god to make a way for me to have a car, fortunately all 3 i have asked for were given to me, thank you jesus

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i take this scripture as if you have a brother or sister in need, having the means to feed them or supply that need then you are to do it dont send them away empty handed,but it does not say they will ask you for it, i am more than willing to help people out,i dont believe there is anything wrong with letting people know you have a need,but to ask them dont seem right to me hey can you give me 200.00 so i can get my car but i cant pay you back,now if i knew a person needed 200.00 and i had it and it was on my heart to help then yes i would help,why not pray and give it to god to make away and let him do the leading rather it be by leading me to someone or leading them to me jmo

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bump

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Why are you being so defensive? If you don't agree with others for asking for help, why are you still posting about this? What kind of help do you want us to offer you?

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defehnsive are you serious,far from defensive god love ya

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Well, you seem to already have your answer, and yet you continue to debate with those with differing opinions. Do you just want everyone to agree with you?