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IMO America is being transformed into "Mystery Babylon". Yes I long for the old days myself but America as the nation we knew is already gone.

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2 Chron. 7:14
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

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when exactly did the church have america?

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"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

I've always wondered about this scripture and how it should be or could be properly interpreted. Does it apply to any country, or only to (a sort of) theocracy such as Israel once was trying to be? Or is it rather speaking to any backslidden people of God? "My people.....turn from THEIR wicked ways." Or are the faithful people of God sort of "standing in" for any political nation in which they find themselves?

Hope this not a hijack, I've just always wondered, since it's such a quoted scripture, and seems just convenient "for all that ails ya."

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we prayed for america today at church, exspecially for forgiveness

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in context it was addressed to the nation of Israel or Judah of the Old testament, however the principle can apply to us as well today.

If this nationed humbled itself and brought up godliness and turned from there wicked ways, just how much do you think the Lord would bless us.

The bible tells us it rains on the just and the unjust, However how much more could it rain when those unjustly people become justified..

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It never did. But it had far more influence on everyday life. Back then almost no buisnesses were even open on Sunday.

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America was founded on Christian principals etc. They acknowledged God in
the setting up of the Constitution. She was founded on biblical principals, etc.
Today, because many American people have turned their backs on godliness
and righteousness and did nothing, prayer has been taken out of the public
schools, and other rights continue to be taken away.

The churches are made up of American citizens and others have joined them.

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Today we have homosexual marriage LEGAL in 6 states. Not only that but all across the US we are not allowed to even speak openly against it. Where I work you will be fired for it. Several states are preparing bills where it will "gay history" will be TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS!
And were all just supposed to "be nice" and keep our mouth shut while children and grandchildren are TAUGHT HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR in the schools of America!

Yes I would far rather see the America of my childhood than the hideous creature it has become today.

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i am encouraged by what, the Lord stated when he was on the cross, and how we should be with this ever growing sin in the nation.

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

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The "god" mentioned in our founding documents was a Deist God who was far removed from any human interaction. Notice what the Declaration of Independence gives as one of the primary motivating factors for the creation of this (then) new state:

"...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them."

The Declaration of Independence states that first, "the Laws of Nature" have entitled us to form our union among the other "separate and equal" countries then in existence. This is a specific appeal to what is known as "Natural Law." It is a concept that had been used since antiquity to describe the "best" and preferred conditions under which human beings ought to live. It isn't founded upon the Christian faith or the Bible, though obviously, the Bible and Christianity have always interacted with these ideals.

The next component here, "... Nature's God..." also does not refer to the Biblical Deity, but rather to the Deist "Watchmaker" god who established the "Natural Law" and then left everything to develop according to that Natural Law.

If we are to use these statements as a polemic against those who wish to destroy the foundations of our great nation, then we really should be accurate and honest with just what the founder's intents were. "Original intent" is a watch word of much of the Conservative movement. We don't have to become Deists like our founders to enjoy the blessings they prayed upon us, but we should embrace those founders and accept them for who they were.

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what exactly were those godly principles? slavery? denying women and minorities the right to work, vote and own property? was america godly when it fought the vietnam war, wwI, wwII, the korean war, the gulf war? was america godly when it massacred indians or during the jim crow south that lasted til the 1960's? I believe many constitutions mention god. If there is no prayer in school, it is because it is unconstitutional. the very document that is "godly". imagine being a christian in an islamic state, would you want muslims taking their country back? secularism is good for every state, that is what the founders intended. keeping religion out of poltics.

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:thumbsup

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Its not uncontitutioanl only an athiest made it so ,its freedom of religion, not freedom from.Why are the christians always the problem not the muslims and the athiests ?

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public schools are state run. the state cannot be endorsing one religion over the other or religion in general when there are non believers present. it's not the role of the state. it is the role of the church and parents. i suppose you are smarter than nine supreme court justices? it would be interesting to read a dissenting opinion, if anyone can post.

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It may be helpful to keep in mind that "America" didn't "massacre the indians..." nor some of the other things you mention. There were criminal incidents and even terrible things that at least appeared to have broad support at the time, but later generations denounced them. But, you can't lay the blame upon "Americans." My own Cherokee blood sort of boils when I hear that. I'm a proud American and I never "massacred" anyone nor did any of my forebears.

Jim Crow? Who abolished Jim Crow and wiped out that unjust system? Americans. Why not give "America" the credit for abolishing something that only a minority of people ever supported any how?

Also, WW2 and the other wars were engaged for noble purposes, though war itself is often far from noble. Even the Vietnam War, while it ended up being a polarizing event, was a just cause. The implementation of that "war" was always ham-fisted and the policy of never even attacking the North who were attacking Americans in South with wanton brazenness was plain stupid.

Look at what happened when Americans pulled out of South Vietnam. Some of the worst genocides of the 20th century occurred. Our presence held back that evil.

I don't think that this is even one of those "Is the glass half full?" types of debates. Over all, for the past 404 years, Americans have been a force for good in the world. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...cons/icon7.gif

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I'd have to go with DM on this one:

"...secularism is good for every state, that is what the founders intended. keeping religion out of poltics."

Our founders had left a European continent that was riven by incessant and bloody religious wars. They wanted no part of that system. And yes, "freedom of religion" does include the freedom to be "free of religion."

The First Amendment reads in part: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

What's interesting about those "anti-prayer" cases is that there is no law stating that the kids can't have a prayer during a graduation exercise or whatever. It's just the courts that have ruled such and the courts have the power to remove large amounts of money from the hands of the defendants in these cases and to give it to the plaintiffs.

This is not an "unconstitutional" thing. It is an "extra-constitutional" thing. There is nothing in the Constitution that keeps the courts from "legislating" from the bench. The American judiciary is often an unchecked power with life-time appointments almost guaranteeing that the judges are never held accountable.

But with regard to the founders, they were secularists all, when it came to whether or not religion should have a place within the body politic. Our system right now is just trying to come to terms with how to best balance out the wanton judicial fiat and thus to ensure that the second part of the above: "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

"Congress isn't the problem here, but how do we keep the courts and the executive branches from "prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

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pel. I am not a historian, but who killed off the indians? Denouncing the act generations later doen't bring back the dead.

why and how was jim crow abolished? black americans had to suffer humiliation and white business owners didn't want a segregated economy where black business owners were getting rich. the whole freeing of the slaves and black integration is in the best interests of rich, white americans. minorities to fight wars, cheap labor, millions of consumers and minority businesses are kept from growing and competing.

I agree that wwII was a just cause but why did we go to vietnam? if communism was the peoples' choice, why not let them determine their own future? Rich white capitalists having their way supported by ignorant conservatives. While some wars may be noble, they are never "godly". I agree that america is a great country, but it has become great by much sacrifice and I get bothered by the whitewashing of history and saying america was a godly country. America has proven its greatness over time and in my opinion, times are better now than at anytime in its history.

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It is sad to see that a lot of you have bought into the propaganda that is put forth by the secularists.
Go back and read the letters and writings that the founding fathers put out and you will see that the vast majority believed in an active, living God.
Go back and look at every state occasion and see that they had prayers, real prayers to this same God.
Quit believing the propaganda and go beyond the little snippets that the secularists use to support their positions.

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I am a veteran, and I am not anti-government, I am anti-CORRUPT government, and sadly our government has effectively (and deliberately) strayed away from obeying all the Constitution for quite a very long time now.

Many of our founding fathers were much MORE concerned from corruption that could develop from within rather than outside threats and that is why they wrote the Constitution the way they did, but globalist politicians sidestep or simply ignore the Constitution.

I can hope that the U.S. would resist being part of the coming Antichrist one world government, but instead our country seems to be the country that is being used to help lead the world into the coming Antichrist one world government, and that is sad indeed.

I know the Antichrist one world gorvenment will happen because the Bible says so, but we still don't want to even unwittingly help evil to happen.

In case you have not seen any of these yet, here are some very informative "New World Order" and Bible prophecy related studies:

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-DevilinNWO.htm

http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-EBorders.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-FederalReserve.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Gorbachev-...toPresidio.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Mystery-Babylon.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Antichrist.htm

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-UnitedReligions.htm

http://www.texemarrs.com/122010/they.htm

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-05.html

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-06.html

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-13.html

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-15.html

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-35-from.html

http://remnantradio.org/Archives/art...bylon%2035.mp3

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_banker_conspiracy.html

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proje...m25jul05.shtml

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html

http://www.antichips.com/

Here are some very informative books to consider:

Illuminati: The Cult that Hijacked the World (Paperback)
by Henry Makow PhD (2008)

Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction
Henry Makow PhD (20100

Worldwide Evil and Misery: The Legacy of the 13 Satanic Bloodlines
Robin de Ruiter (2008)

Bloodlines of the Illuminati [Paperback]
Fritz Springmeier (2005)

The Synagogue of Satan
Andrew Carrington Hitchcock (2007)

The Creature From Jekyll Island - A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
by G. Edward Griffin (2008)

Pawns in the Game (Paperback)
by William Guy Carr

The Conspirator's Heirarchy: The Committee of 300 (Revised and updated 4th edition) (Paperback)
by John Coleman (2006)

Codex Magica: Secret Signs, Mysterious Symbols, and Hidden Codes of the Illuminati [Paperback]
Texe Marrs (2005)

Who's Who of the Elite : Members of the Bilderbergs, Council on Foreign Relations, & Trilateral Commission (Paperback)
by Robert Gaylon, Sr. Ross (2000)

Fourth Reich of the Rich (Paperback)
by Des Griffin (1998)

Enroute to Global Occupation (1992)
by Gary H. Kah

New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies (1990)
by William T. Still

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America (Paperback)
by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt
Publisher: 3D Research; third edition (September 1, 1999)
ISBN-10: 0966707109
ISBN-13: 978-0966707106

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

(the above author has made her book available for free on her web site as a PDF file you can download)

Major General Smedley Butler

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

During his 34 years of Marine Corps service, Butler was awarded numerous medals for heroism including the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (the highest Marine medal at its time for officers), and subsequently the Medal of Honor twice. Notably, he is one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, and one of only three to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two different actions.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Smedl...s.A.Racket.htm

(the above link is to an online version of a book Major Butler wrote)

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brogary, i'm not in to conspiracy theories, i think world government is a logical and natural development. no single individual or group of individuals can make it happen, it is logical development imo.

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God's ways are not our ways. Our methods of saving our country may not be God's ways with relation to saving His people.

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According to the bible Satan is the lord of this world. In biblical times persia was a "demon ran" governmental society. It may seem crazy to most people to think that something like that would go on but the bible also said "Will they not think of you as crazy" when it came to tongues and the holy spirit So if it could happen back then... then what is to stop it from happening today. If we would quit focusing on politics and how the world is run or should be run and quit trying to "fix it" and accept it for what it is, was, and always will be. Then we can turn our focus to merely educating folks on the subject of political corruptness and the understanding of why things are the way they are and then put all our efforts on spreading knowledge and truth and getting a kingdom built that truly matters. (sorry If I am offending someone who is not christian truly this is not my aim I am speaking moreso to christians)

The illuminati is the closest thing to biblical prophecy I can find. Look up the speech that got JFK shot. He tried to blatantly warn america of his and this countries demise. Came right out and used the words secret society and "monolithic force that has conscripted mass human resources in its effort... Military powers are becoming to strong..." and so on and so forth.

Like with all this stuff going on with Koney or whatever his name is. I can tell that we are going to pull out of the middle east mostly and head to africa. Because there is a barrels upon barrels of oil there on that land. So you have the shooting the quaran burning the koney video and celebrities talking about it... just watch. You start to realise patterns throughout all of it.

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Does God forgive countries? :hmmm

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Icelands still around isn't it?

(sin to be forgiven = bjork)

**I can say it. Im icelandic.

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Maybe that volcano was its punishment. ;)

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The murders of the Indians in our history was not performed by Christians. Further, there were massacres on both sides. Wounded Knee and Sand Creek were only one from each side.

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WOW!! Thank you for all this. GREAT resources. I'll make to check out every single bit of it...........as soon as I finish this GREAT book on George W. Bush and how he flew one of the jets into the World Trade Center and parachuted out just before impact. They've even got a video here. Awesome!!

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Yep, I'm all for taking America back. How we all long for the days of slavery, the day when women couldn't vote, the days when blacks had separate bathrooms and water fountains, the days when men wandered the west carrying guns and killing over a poker game, the days when Major League Baseball wouldn't let them ere black people play our national past time, the days when the KKK was a major influence, the days when Cassius Clay was denied service in a Louisville restaurant just days after he won a gold medal.

I'll tell ya, I sure miss them ere good ole days.

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This is not now, nor was it ever a Christian country.

http://www.jameswatkins.com/foundingfathers.htm

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It would be interesting to know how many that have responded to this thread, are veterans and served in active duty in the military.

In 1944, five days after my 5th birthday, my late father was inducted into the US Army. He didn't voluntary to go as he had a wife and four young children under 7 yrs old. He was drafted. He was trained and served as a medical aide man. He never carried a gun. He could do something but his conscience would not allow him to kill any Indians, Filipinos, Japanese, or other! He didn't shrink back from doing what he was trained to do though. He treated the wounded and helped carry the dead from the front lines of battle. Dad prayed for the people everywhere he was stationed. God brought him back to his family.

After going to Agriculture night school, he attempted to be a good farmer. But that was not what God had called him to do. He worked at Kraft Foods in Garland, TX for 18 yrs, while founding a work in the city God called him to. In time he became a great promoter of foreign missions, and supporting missionaries in the cities in which he was stationed during WWII. In Philipines, Japan, and many other countries. He was a friend of missionaries, spending as much time as possible with them, showing them hospitality when they came our way on duputation. In 1988, the year before he went to be with the LORD, our then small congregation of aproximately 50 members, placed 3rd place per capti giving to Foreign Missions, worldwide. Dad was passionate about Missions, especially Foreign Missions. We three eldest siblings later took PIM's in cities where Dad was stationed during wartime. One plants, another waters, but it is GOD who gives the increase.

Usually those who have fought on foreign soil usually agree that with all her faults, America is still the Greatest nation in the world. Some may say that America is not a Christian nation, BUT there are still Christians in America, as well as in Foreign nations.

Falla39

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Some look at some of the flaws of America's past and think her a tyrant who is being reformed into a better woman.

Other look at her current whoredoms and acceptance of ungodly behavior and remember the days when she was much more modest and godly, even if she did get some other things wrong.

I'd rather have the old America where we may have been wrong on a few things, but when homosexuality wasn't crammed down our throats in schools and liberalism hadn't infected everyone with an entitlement complex. "Oh I deserve just as much as you just because I was born. Why should you get to have a better job and house than me? Boo hoo. The Fed should tax you more and give me free stuff".

Yeah, we've created a much better country for our kids for sure. (sarcasm)

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Before we get all tangled up in the idea of "Christianizing" our nation... let's focus on Christianizing our own homes and families. Do you have family prayer? Family altar? Bible stories before bed for the children? Do you open your home for Christian fellowship? Do you serve your neighbors, offering your services for free (mowing lawns, painting, cleaning, trimming bushes, weeding, etc.)? Are you volunteering as a family at the local food bank, shelter, or soup kitchen?

Or do you (like I often do) work all day and focus on what you want to do like television shows, video games, sports, hobbies, lovers, internet surfing, posting on forums, shopping, shopping, shopping, etc.? Feeling awkward about "family prayer" and having no idea how to start "family altar"? Rushing the kid's dinner, bath, and bedtime so they have enough sleep without a Bible story or moral story read to them? And almost never open your home for fellowship because it's a mess, you bicker and fight with the other half, or you'd just rather have "your privacy"? Is 90% or more of your "Christian fellowship" conducted in two to three hours a week in visits to a church building for "services" where you smile, shake hands, be friendly, cheer the sermonizer, drop your tithe in the plate, and then go out to stuff yourself at the local buffet? Do your neighbors see your family rushing to work, school, after school activities, and church services... you only waving and smiling as you rush away into the buzzing world thinking you're a light to them?

I'm guilty as charged for most of the above all too often. Since house churching, I've tried to make some changes and they are making a difference in my life. I might not be able to change the world or this nation... but I can change... me. My world is becoming much better as I increase Christ's presence and reality in my life.

Changing America starts with changing our families and making our presence known in our neighborhoods. Changing America is being the very thing you want others to be in society and doing the very things you want others to do in society. For example, I hear people gripe about welfare programs and argue that the church should care for the poor. Yet they haven't given a dime or even a bag of grocieries to their local food bank in years... if ever. They speak of days when neighbors cared for one another and were invovled in each others lives. Yet they rush off to their work and religious duties almost daily... ignoring all the opportunities to help and SERVE their neighbor next door.

Let's stop griping about America and talking about how we need to take her back. Let's actually BE the very thing we need in America.

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America: The Story of Us
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Netflix
Watched it
Loved it

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Great thoughts, taquila!! Most that talk ...do nothing.

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Taquila makes me start a preachin'. LOL

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Think about it... America has always had serious social evils in her society. From slavery, the massacare of the Native American Indians, to prostitution in high society New England and the Wild West, to racism, to homosexuality, and abortion.... we've always had some sort of serious social evil among us.

However, it was the CHRISTIAN FAMILIES AND CITIZENS who served society in the shadows of those great evils that made America great. During the depression it was the families and volunteers at the soup kitchens... or the Christian neighbors who shared what they had and would give away the very coat off their backs to someone who was in hard times. It was the Christians and Christian families who helped smuggle slaves out of the South. It was that Christian Naval crewman who started praying in the middle of a Japanese attack only to open his eyes and find a charge had landed in the midst of himself and his crew without detonating.

Guys... America was never made great through politics or legislation. America was made great we when WE WHO ARE CALLED BY HIS NAME HUMBLED OURSELVES AND PRAYED, SOUGHT HIS FACE, AND TURNED FROM OUR WICKED AND SELFISH WAYS.

Making a difference starts with... US.
BE the change you want to see.
It starts not in some movement or some political agenda.
It starts right where you are in your neighborhood.

Ladies and gentleman... I present to you your mission fields:

http://blog.paragonrelocation.com/wp...street_jpg.jpg

http://ownabostonhome.com/wp-content...od-590x385.jpg


Now... let's get off our... um... hinder parts... and go save America.

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I want America back...the kind where God was the center of daily life for every person, no matter their social status...

The kind where families spent more time WITH one another as opposed to without...

The kind where neighbors spoke to and interacted with one another, on friendly terms, waived with all 5 fingers, not just the 3rd one, and not fisted up...

The kind where, if there was a neighborly dispute, it was handled with a spirit of Godliness and right, not with evil and vindication...

The kind where kids played at all hours of the day/night (well, on the weekends and extended breaks) without any worry of kidnapping/murder or indecent exposure/molestation...

The kind where I could sleep with my doors unlocked and windows open without fear of someone breaking in...

The kind where, if I was stranded on the side of the road, someone would pull off to help instead of gawking as they passed by...

The kind where honesty, trust, and accountability was at the forefront of our mind in any business dealings or political office...

I could go one, but I think I've made my point. No, we're not living in the good times of days gone by. However, better days still await. And I'm not talking about here on Earth. In the meantime, there's still a work to be done 'til those days come...

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