UPC Church School Expels Girl Who "Kissed a Girl"
 

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/...ver-sexuality/

The church's website: http://www.ecalvary.net/pastors.shtml

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"The California Supreme Court has ruled in 2009 that private schools are not obligated to follow California’s civil rights laws."

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You have to stand for something. If they don't like the rules set up, then put the child in public school where much of anything goes.

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Did the girl attend the church as well?

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A public school will kick a student out if s/he attempt to pray in school, yet see no problem when two boys or two girls hold hands and kiss in the lunch room or library. Oh, they might be caught, and have to serve some time after school, but it's just a slap on the wrist. That girl should have kept that info to herself. Now, she's marked as "the bisexual". Congrats, girl. Yet another reason why I don't participate on Facebook. Blech!

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You don't participate in Facebook because you feel that you should keep your "sexuality" a secret?

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Is your sexuality a "secret"?

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Are you attracted to both men and women, Pel?

Are you here to defend something as repugnant as homosexuality, Pel?

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So she "kissed a girl", but did she "like it"?

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Unknown. Obviously, her parent(s) thought that her attending a school called "Calvary Christian School" was a good idea for some reason. Yet, the mother expresses "shock" over the expulsion and calls it "discrimination."

Why would a woman send her daughter to such a school if they (apparently) knew that it conflicted with their ideas about "lifestyle choices?" I'm just speculating here, but could this have been an attempt to set up the school for a lawsuit? The mom appears to be more concerned about her daughter being expelled over a Facebook claim to bisexuality than she is about her daughter's self described behavior and reputation.

How'd you get that from the question?

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Why are you so interested in knowing?

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Nope. It's all over Facebook.

Dude, I sure touched a nerve here for you, Adam. You said that this girl should have kept her sexuality "secret.' You then said that this was the reason that you don't participate on Facebook.

... hence, my question.

Chip... shoulder...

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You're digging yourself into a hole. Let's get back on topic...

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bump!

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Sports hat....idol worship....

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Since Christian communities consider this immoral behavior and not a matter of choice, I can understand their stance. We tell our children that nothing online is secret, and they can be held accountable for things they post. There are consequences for every word, every decision and every action. We should not only be careful about our behavior, we should also be careful about what we make public. Also, if a school has a rule, that states [something along the lines of], "No student shall promote unwholesome or immoral behavior", I can see how that could include verbal support of homosexuality.

I assume that private or Christian schools are not subject to regulation in the same way as public schools because they are privately funded. And that's the way it should remain, even if a school makes a decision that we find objectionable. As long as the decision isn't contradictory to their own rules and guidelines, I don't see how anything can or should be done about the decision to expel the bisexual student.

Whether or not I think they handled it wisely is another issue altogether. I wouldn't want one of my daughters treated that way. The right thing to do would be to have a private meeting with the parents, the student and the school administrator[s] and make a decision from there. I'm never in favor of humiliating children in public, no matter what their offense.

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Adam...your answers are cagey and odd. Participate in the conversation...or not. LOL!!!! :heeheehee

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What I get from the girl's words are that her "encounter" was brought on by a mix of confusion and curiosity. That doesn't appear to be a hard and fast "orientation" - not to me at least. And, we are looking at someone from hundreds and even thousands of miles away who is also a complete stranger to us. So, "impressions" are probably about the best we'll get here.

(A word of caution: If you happen to attend this church and or school and know the persons involved, let's please keep this discussion academic and not personal).

One other point that seems to stand out: It's July. The school probably hasn't been in session for a month - most likely. Though, they may follow a non-traditional schedule, I don't know. I only mention this because it gives me the impression (there's that word again) that the young lady may have been involved with the church itself. Dunno.

That being said, Did this teacher make the correct decision in expelling the girl? Did the teacher even have the authority to expel the girl? Was this a case of over reaction on the part of a single faculty member? Or, if the school administration ultimately does concur - is this still the correct course of action?

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I agree. There is the matter of the school possibly being "set up" too, however. But I admit that this is unlikely. According to the news article, the California Supremes have already ruled that private schools are exempt from the "anti-discrimination" laws of the state.

I'm concerned about the girl. Maybe this was just some wild rebellious experiment brought on by curiosity and the confusion that is so prevalent at that age (and exploited by our media and other elements of the culture). If so, she could have been privately counseled (despite the very public manner she in which disclosed her behavior) and perhaps, over time, she will "re-orient" her thinking and all of this will be dismissed as the juvenile act that it probably was.

However, by immediately jumping down her throat and expelling her from perhaps the only community in the area that would shepherd her into a Biblical lifestyle, we may have created just another angry lesbian that we'll all have to deal with when she's appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court, to head the Dept. of Homeland Security or the Justice Department.

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I remember the day when adolescent boys would brag (aka LIE) about sexual conquests among themselves. Would Calvary school also summarily expel such a hetero boy if such were discovered on Facebook? Or is one just a bad sin but other an abomination? (Claiming) bi-dom is a *cool* thing right now among adolescent girls, nationwide.

Almost(*) every seemingly knee-jerk expulsion case contains a bigger, longer story. A few kids thrive on yanking adult's chains, and we only hear about the final camel-breaking straw. And that's why SOME private school can report such good "results"--thanks in part to the luxury of having a selected population (IOW more latitude to kick out rebels.)

(*) Notable exception concerning knee jerk expulsions: "No tolerance" polices in many districts, for example a 6 year old bringing a plastic butter knife expeled without consideration.

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"Knee-jerk reaction" is the impression I got from reading the article, and I also wondered how the teacher could have possibly expelled her--especially on the spot, without consulting anyone else.

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Teachers can do that? I thought this was reserved for the principal and also the school board/ governing board for private schools.

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That's what I thought unless she/he was not just a teacher but the principal

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That was my assumption, along with the fact that the story probably got a few "facts" wrong in its descriptions. I've seen some of these private church schools and they often have a tiny handful of employees, so most wear several hats by necessity.

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Yep, I've driven past this church/school many times, and often wondered "where's the school part?" Maybe not fair, since I never turned in to find out. Anyhow, proper authority for teacher to act might be only a phone call away.

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It does seem to be a case of some kid out on summer break who came across a teacher's path at some point and incurred that teacher's wrath.

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That's odd. I've never heard of that and I, and both of my parents are educators-- private and public school experience. Hum, I don't know if I buy it.

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The web site lists several people from about three families as being involved in the church's ministry and as teachers at the school. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that under that kind of dynamic it might be easier for one family member to assume the role that is technically assigned to another family member. I've seen this happen all of the time.

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The mother and daughter appear to have been rather forthcoming with the news reporter. That doesn't mean that they were necessarily *unbiased* - in fact, they obviously felt aggrieved and had an ax to grind.

Yet, I would imagine that if they had any other encounters with school or church officials then we would have been regaled with their accounts of such encounters.

One thing too, in the article it says the young lady was told to "get her books and go home..." That would make it appear that school was in session.

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Perhaps it happened at the end of school and now its just now making the news. If it happened late May and early June...perhaps?

I dunno. Too many "maybes"

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It is possible that the girl was enrolled in summer school. Sometimes parents will enroll their students in a summer program to 1) have their child make up classes failed during the regular school year at another school; 2) to determine if a school is a "good fit" for the student; 3) to keep the student busy during the summer months.

Having said that, ALL private, Christian schools should have a handbook that clearly states, in detail, all activity that is not acceptable at the school. Even though CA law states that private, Christian schools are "not obligated" to follow the state's civil rights laws, it is best to leave no room for personal interpretation.

If anyone on this forum is a part of a private, Christian school, I would STRONGLY encourage them to contact CLA (Christian Law Association) for guidelines regarding school handbooks and statements of ministry. It has been my experience that only those things that are clearly spelled out will stand up in court. Especially something like homosexuality, bi-sexuality, fornication, etc etc. It is also a good idea for churches to have ALL workers (both volunteer and paid) sign a statement of ministry that CLEARLY states what the church believes regarding this type of thing. You cannot just "assume" that everyone will understand that a Pentecostal / Apostolic / Evangelical church or school is against this. You have someone on staff that "comes out of the closet" and you don't have a written policy stating this is not acceptable, you may find yourself in court when you fire them. ANY employer (even secular) can set certain standards - IF IT IS WRITTEN DOWN AND EACH EMPLOYEE SIGNS THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THESE STANDARDS.

And yes, Miss Bratt, I have seen both young men and young women dismissed from school and some not allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies due to their sexual conduct while enrolled in private, Christian schools (when the "discretion" came to light just prior to the end of the school year).

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Adam and Steve ??

That wasn't a nice thing to say.

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Well at least the B on the hat doesn't stand for BI

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Im just warming up:))

...and I couldn't name one player on the team. I just like the hat.

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Ill cover ya on that one,no prob!

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It is hard to understand how a "sports cap" equals "idol worship."

And then, we wonder why the broader culture thinks that we're all "kooks" for taking a stand against things like the homosexual agenda. I think we need to continue to work hard to clean up our message... and our act - all across the Apostolic Faith/Oneness/Pentecostal movement.