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Are there any notable apostolic theologians outside of dkb? Does this concern anyone? Does anyone know of a website that lays out the apostolic view on all theological issues. I'm aware of jason dulle's page. any others?

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well even inside Oneness there are many different views. There is somethings that Bernard and Mr dulle have differences with.

its like the many different views of the trinity as well.

Mr bernard being the front runner or more of his work is wider known cause his work has been pushed with the upci

dr bernard has a timothy in robert shaw, who took over pastor ship from david bernard, Most of his stuff is in either book or audio. but good in what he knows

There is also work from daniel segraves, mr hayne, Norris, and a few others, i cant recall the first names at the moment i will have to get back to you on that.

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I have one of seagraves' books. what have hayne or norris written? are they at pph?

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yeah its where i my books come out of, I got mine in a package deal u can find those if you look

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Its to bad there are so very few outstanding Teachers. The best I know is Dave Huston a Pastor at the Carlisle Christian Fellowship. He probably would not want to be known as a "Theologian" per say but in my opinion he is the best overall Teacher of the real Apostles doctrine.

http://gloriouschurch.ning.com/

Or

http://www.gloriouschurch.com/

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While this guy isn't OP, his work is very good. His name is Wayne Grudem. Grudem wrote an excellent book titled, Systematic Theology. Very good reading. In fact, he even incorporates practical applications for each doctrinal teaching. Good stuff!

Here's a link,

http://www.amazon.com/Systematic-The...0589948&sr=1-1

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Bro. where I go for a lot of apologetics. The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World used to have a lot of outstanding teachers, writings, and books out on the Apostolic Doctrine. There's a lack now in "theologians" in the organization. For reasons I'm pretty sure I can articulate, but I won't, just to keep this conversation on track.

Bro. Sam Smith is a good teacher and preacher.

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K.V. Reeves was the only preacher from the UPCI that I'd consider an apostle. That man was DEEP.

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mtd, I checked out these 2 websites. What do you find outstanding by Dave Huston? Is plural eldership his main contribution or are there other teachings that are good? Is he independent? Does he think he can influence upc church structure? Do you think pastors are going to give up authority to elders?

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please tell me why there are no theologians in the apostolic church. I have no idea.

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What stands out to me in Daves teaching is that he teaches the true foundation doctrines of Christ. Not just Acts 2:38. He teaches obviously the multiple Eldership found in scripture. He teaches and is putting into practice the exhortations to the Churches to love one another by promoting and encouraging the Saints to meet regularly for fellowship not just Church meetings.

He teaches those solid rock Biblical foundations of the post tribulation rapture, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment with accuracy that is not present in most Apostolic Churches.

So in short he may not have qualifications that men consider essential to be called a "Theologian" he teaches the full gospel foundations in truth. That cannot be said for many at all in our movement or anywhere else at this time.

I believe God is using him to influence lives of men and women who love truth. Whether he can influence many among the UPC remains to be seen. They seem like a hard group to move!

To get a wider view of his beliefs go to this link:

http://www.gloriouschurch.com/

At the top of the page is Questions And Answers. Many topics are briefly touched on there.

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You are aware of "Dulles page"? Are you aware of Institute for Biblical Studies? That includes Dulle, but has others listed too.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/author.htm

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I agree. We need to write more. :)

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thanks hoovie. I wasn't aware of these other authors.

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I can't speak for the whole of the Apostolic Church. I can just speak to what I've seen being in the holiness movement for just the last decade. Our fathers used to have a sincere love for the Word of God (I can say this especially for the P.A.W.). A serious desire to learn, not necessarily on a PhD level, but they LOVED the word. That's why Bishop Tyson in Indiana (who just recently passed) was so revered in our organization. GT Haywood, E.W. Doak, Paul Bowers, Norman Wagner, RC Lawson, these brothers from what I've heard LOVED the Word of God and LOVED the Apostolic Doctrine. You talk about contending for the faith... these people LIVED that. There are still some out there that want to labor. In some of our churches though (and granted I'll say that from my experience this isn't just an OP issue) there are some people that tend to love their "titles" and "positions" and the perks that it gets them, moreso then they love the word. So we as a movement have been in the same place for a while, can't seem to move forward, because SOME not all of the laborers (in the word) are in it for themselves and not the word of God.

But that's just the game now, evangelical churches all over the religious spectrum from Baptist to Pentecostal are becoming "hollywoodized". Preachers aren't expected to pray, read, fast and really labor in the word. They are rock stars, celebrities, pep-ralley leaders, and inspirational speakers. People don't want deep and thorough (so we're told) they want quick, exciting, microwavebly fast, and complete with gimmicks, bells, whistles, a circus, a petting zoo, and a carnival. Know what that breeds? To many preachers out there in it for the "title" but not taking the responsibility of really seeking what thus saith the Lord for his people. Tell me what "perks" and "notoriety" does being a "theologian" have? Plus, we're a relatively new movement, so this effects us greatly. (Just speaking off some of what I've seen not trying to offend, I love everything about our faith and the truth, and I love to see it handled and treated properly).


ON A BRIGHT NOTE. I've seen a general change in a good direction in P.A.W. and PCAF, and in other organizations.

I can't speak for UPCI, I haven't a clue what's going on there. I tend to learn a lot from the people here, seems to be mostly bad stuff on AFF:heeheehee, but I'm sure there's some good in UPCI, I've gotta take the time to go fellowship with one of ya'll in UPCI's churches one day.

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Define Theologian. I have no idea why you think there are none. How come you did not count Daniel Segraves? How about Jason Dulle?

Here is Jason's site
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/

He also has a blog
http://theosophical.wordpress.com/

Daniel Segraves has one
http://danielsegraves.blogspot.com/

And there are others you can find at PPH

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We listed them. I love Seagraves and Dulle both, Dulle especially.

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prax, I was just hoping for a high quality apostolic internet teaching ministry that covers the apostolic perspective on doctrines like justification, predestination, etc. why aren't any apostolics offering this level of teaching over the internet? mike bickle lets you download all his sermons and teaching notes for free.

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Does Dulle or Seagraves have anything on Perfection?

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I spent several years at the First Apostolic Church in Cincinnati when Bro. Frank Curts was pastor. He was a young minister under Bishop G.T. Haywood and as he matured in the Lord he placed a lot of emphasis on the Word. He used Thomson Bibles. If you are familiar with the Thompson Chain Bible you know that there are four columns per page. The center two columns are Bible text and the outer two are notes. At one time Bro. Curts was a distributor for those Bibles and suggested to the publisher that they leave the outer two columns blank so people could put their own notes in there. Bro. Curts' Bibles were well worn and well marked. He used to teach from large charts on Thursday nights. I got to hear lots of that teaching during the time I was part of the church he pastored. I learned a lot from him. Below is a picture (kinda dark because of poor lighting) of him teaching from a chart on the Tabernacle.

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There's a Doctrinal conference in Atlanta going on this weekend with Segraves, Norris, and Bryant. It is called "It is written..."

http://www.eventsbot.com/events/eb132594236

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I just posted a link to an internet site that covers those things

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William Arnold 3 is really good on the rapture.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/post/index.htm

Hes also one of the better Oneness teachers IMO.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/father.htm

An excellent presentation that Jesus is the Father.

He is the webmaster of Institute For Biblical Studies.

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Jason has such a broad spectrum of topics I don't see how it can be said there isn't any Oneness Apostolic theologian on the internet

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i know there are articles and sermons, i meant something like a weekly webcast from a high profile apostolic with an archive of sermons like mikebickle.org.

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i saw talmadge french on youtube yesterday. he is an apostolic greek scholar. would like to follow someone like him, seagraves or dkb over the internet

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Since Segraves is doing is dissertation I don't know he has time for a weekly webcast. He used to be weekly on the radio in Stockton but that was years ago

Same is probably true of Jason besides he does not pastor a church that I know of and may not have money or time to do webcasts

I don't see why it has to be a weekly webcast to qualify for being a theologian on the Internet

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That's a name I was trying to remember. Consider that some of these guys just might not have the time for that kind of stuff. DKB is running a world wide organization too. That may be the sad part about becoming a GS, your duties are limited to political/organizational, though from time to time Im sure he teaches

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prax, i noticed that nathaniel wilson and myles young are doctors with weekly webcasts. not sure if they have archives. I don't know too much about them except that they are in wpf. I'm not sure I would like them since I think the upc is too conservative, but would like to know more about them.

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Paul Ferguson was a Greek scholar and teacher in the UPC several years ago. I have a book (actually 87 8 1/2 by 11 mimeographed sheets) called God Veiled in Flesh which is a commentary on the Gospel of John. He seems to have disappeared from the scene. I don't know if he is still active in teaching or other ministry or even if he is still alive.

Seems to me we talked about him on this or one of the other forums a while back and he was alive at that time.

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They have the time and resources...and Im sure it did not take them very long to become "doctors"

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Didnt he give Oneness up?

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I've been so swamped up here with Council going on. I wish I'd be able to attend though, are you goin'?

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I am writing a doctrinal thesis now on the Doctrine of Original Sin.

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NW a doctor, though not of theology but of Education. MY is not yet a doctor. I think he is still completing a Master's program.

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Surprised no one has mentioned Robert Sabin. He was just recently speaking in our city but didn't find out until after the fact. This clip is from 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKLmA...eature=related

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Is he still Oneness? I haven't heard much from him in years. He no longer believes baptism is necessary nor the tongues doctrine

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this according to wreckheart:

full article: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics...tal/dakes.html