Why was my Christianity in Question?
 

I can not possibly begin to count how many times I've heard a fellow believer ask the question: How in the world could you be saved AND vote for Obama? I have even read it many times here, and I have noticed that this is definately not a friendly place for those that voted for Obama.

However for the few of you who may sincerely want to know, here are my thoughts:


I based my decision on the facts that were presented, economy and health care issues, while I hold true to my deep oposition to abortion, I do not feel my choice in voting compromises my Christian beliefs.

But many times, they are unwilling to listen. (Just like a few of you who are no doubt already working on your response). But what I think we fail to realize is this, POLITICS IS POLITICS. McCain wasn't going to make abortion illegal. He was going to overturn Roe Vs. Wade which would make it a state decision.

Insisting that someone could not POSSIBLY be Christian because of a voting choice is silly and judgemental. What you need to look at is the condition of your heart when you voted. I personally would question if a greater matter in this is judging. Also, God already knew who was going to win this election long before time for us began. You see, even though He preordained this man to power does not mean that Obama is or is not a good person, it is for His purpose. I am not by any way shape or form presuming to know the will of God, but just showing you how ANY man can be used for God's purpose, good or bad. Including Judas Iscariot and even Peter (who denied Christ 3 times).


Now, don't stone all at once. :)

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Where is the stoning button on here? :foottap:laffatu

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Actually I'd like to take this opportunity to condemn the judgmentalism for which we are all at sometime or another guilty...

there is even anger in some who actually find it offensive for another to disagree with them..

That's a very high horse; I don't believe that even the Trojan horse was that big..:heeheehee

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How is that hope for change working out?
Most people are left with little hope, and no change.

First, health care reform was needed (and still needed). However, the socialistic reform was not what was needed at this time (if at all).

I believe everyone in the USA can afford health care, it just comes down to the fact of priorities. Most would rather have their cellphones, high speed internet, Satellite TV, etc, rather then pay 400 (or more) dollars a month for insurance. They would rather have the government pay it for them, or at least not make them decided.

Second, we will always have the issue of finance when only 52% of the population is paying taxes. If you make 60k a year with 2 kids, you do not even pay taxes. So why are you gripping on what happens with the economy, government issues, and anything government related.

I think if everyone received a bill for the 42k per person that the USA owes in debt, they would change their outlook extremely fast.

I don't care who you voted for, the current path that both Dems and Rep are taking is breaking us. I am 30, and my children's children will still be paying on my grandparents bills. You should look at that also. What are you leaving your children with. I think projections are saying that in one generation, the bill for each person would be over 100k.

We need to get our fiscal house in order. Social programs last. Or we will end up like Greece, broke and owned by China.

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Freinds, I have been deeply disturbed by politics. i voted for a Democrat president for the first time in my life- Obama.
Why would I do this?????
In 2005 it was discovered that Gov. Taft -Ohio was stealing money from the states workmen comps fund. He and his buddies stole $200 million from it.The Gov. only got a $50 fine while some of his buddies went to jail.
This money went to get Bush and many other Republicans reelected in 2004.
It was used to buy coins, wine and houses in Florida to vaction in.
I felt it was time for a change. In 2006 I stopped voting a straight ticket.
i mix it up.
Some messes take longer than 4 years to get out of.
Since 2001 Ohio has lost 500,000 jobs,only Michigan beats that number.
As a christian I ook at many things when I vote, i gave the guy a chance-
Obama. i will not vote for him again.
I voted the way I felt was right for me.
Before you reply I could say the same thing about the republicans that some say about the voter that votes for democrates.
But I have not. A deeply disturbed voter.

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What's wrong with China owning us.. in just fifty plus years they already may have more Christians or soon will at their pace.. not much room for false Christ over there..:laffatu

I'm not calling you false at all but there are far more false Christs in America than atheists ...and perhaps we deserve to be bought out..We spend more than half our money on the Military .......

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when he have the most secure borders in all the world..from when Queen Isabella first looked over here...Get your map of Europe and look at the border's of Spain and Portugal and you'll see that our destiny was already determined ,...which give room the Church to correct all it's errors from the Holy Roman Empire...:laffatu that laffat U is at all of Christianity

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In secular psychology we often see what people say and what they do are contradictory. You voted for the most pro abortion Pres evah. Your behavior is relevant and your verbal claim is not.
Obama voted against the born alive infant protection act several times and lied about it.

Daniel is an example of a man that had moral absolutes and didn't compromise.
From a business view, it is safe to say Obama was unknown. he had only offered ideology and no actual track record. He said he would not raise taxes to the middle class. Unemployed middle class pay zero taxes. He said he would not sleep till every one that wanted to work had a job. Smoke and mirrors.

Bad voting because "God already knew" is rather lame. As a conservative, I did read the 2,000 page mess we call Obamacare before it was voted on. I guarantee you did not. Pelosi said it would create 400,000 jobs almost immediately after signing. I knew that was not true.

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Thank you for judging me. I'm glad God is final judge. Take care.

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http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ma-smoking.jpg

I am sure Obama voters help us fight smoking. it is covered in Obama care laws

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A sweeping generalization. I'm about done with this. Your comments are one sided and rude.

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Judgermentalism is the biggest sin of the day according to progressives.

What are the scriptures on judgementalism?

When people do wrong and get a rebuke, they counter accuse a person of being judgemental. (It won't get me out of a speeding ticket)

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?

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Biden says paying taxes is patriotic

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You would have done well to leave the scriptures out of it. Politics, we can disagree on all day and night. But please don't throw in a scripture or two to try to prove your point! Judging the world is not the same as concluding something untrue about someone you have never met. Have your opinion but don't try to use God to justify it. Just leave it to what you believe or in your opinion. It's dangerous to assume that in your faulty logic, all who disagree with you are worthy of your rebuke. Arrgoance is displayed in that kind of thinking, and that's not good.

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Judge not that ye be not judged, foe with what judgment you judge, ye shall be judged....

Isaiah 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David., judging and seeking judgment, and hasting righteouness....

Now when Jesus was here he being judge of all, determined that a poor widow had cast in two mites I believe ; and he said she had given more than all the pharisees..

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance , but judge righteous judgment...

And here in The United States all that is required to save this nation is at least ten righteous in each city..since God would have spared Sodom if ten righteous were there to save them.....

then the same Sodomites who perished shall rise up in judgment and condemn those who saw and rejected the son of man when he appeared..:laffatu

^^^^ this by the way is the great problem in Christianity today in the USA..being judges they cannot recognize the Righteous judge if he were to ...as it is written be not forgetful to entertain strangers for thereby some have entertained angels unawares...
BTW, you're not an angel are you? :heeheehee
if you are I have some work for you..

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In 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUl99...embedded#at=22

Good job Obama.
The Democrats have Obama the friend of Planned parenthood. The gubment pays several hundred million so you boys and girls can fornicate, share std's and get free birth control pills.

I am not progressive enough to picture taxpayer funded fornication.
Does a Spirit filled person have the gift of discernement?


Psalm 1 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Why are these Dems so scornful?

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You can't just say that you disagree, you have to degrade and border even being (dare I say it) racist. Sigh. I'm going to pray for you. Done.

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Obama smoked while Dubya drank and Clinton toked

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Obama did narcotics, dope and tobacco.

I read Pres Bush's book and found his transparency in leaving behind alcohol was well covered. Pres Bush has had a Oneness home bible study

I really don't recall Bush having an anti alcohol or health preeching mission. I do see he had a bunch of injured veterans to the ranch for heavy duty trail riding several weeks ago.

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So did I, what the heck do you think that means that Im a democrat?

I don't give a hoot if he had a Oneness home bible study ROFL, not that you can prove that.

You know Bill Clinton helped out the UPC? He arranged a meeting between Yasir Arafat and one of our guys. When Urshan met him in Palestine , Arafat showed everyone that this man was approved and welcomed by him and by extenstion his Islamic PLO. It was important for our small churches trying to operate there.

Anthony Mangun put that request in to Clinton

Bush might do our country a service to preach against booze, apparently most of the US is drunk and not thinking coherently

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speaking of booze ..it's 47 billion a year in alcohol here in the USA..
47 billion!!!:foottap

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Bush appreciated the home bible study . He gave the pastor a pair of cowboy boots.
Clinton had several UPC pastors in his life. He attended camp meeting in Arkansas. It seems hillary had a harder heart than Bill.

Bush was never a noisy zealot. he has a fair sized fairly new home in Texas at the ranch that is incredibly advanced in recycling water and other eco features but he never pulpit pounded like alGore who brings new meaning to carbon waste and indulgence.

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I wonder if Coadie sells booze and cigarettes. He seems to have some aversion to Obama being against cigarettes and Dubya being against booze

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liquid bread of life.
When I hear the expression of fleecing the flock, I usually think about booze and no one sees it as a wastfull purchase.

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Coadie, is crack crystalized bread of life?

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You don't get it. I oppose people claiming to be pushing health and pushing against smoking when they smoke.

My company had people smoke in their offices until the mid 80's. Since the early 90's we have had no smoking in any of our buuildings.

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Are you into crack?

It seems to be one of your fav topics?

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I see...so Obama smoking and knowing Kids should never get hooked on such an addictive substance can't warn kids to not do what he did?

That is ASININE! Why would I want to hear from someone that never smoked and has no experience in how bad it is? good grief Coadie you just come off as the kind of person that looks for ANYTHING to criticize this guy for.

If you could just stick to stuff that matters I'd have more respect for you

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Now Coadie, I didn't ask if YOU were on crack...since you characterized booze as bread of life Im asking you about crack. You seem to be justifying drinking and smoking

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:thumbsup

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McCain would have been just as sucky of a choice as Obama.

McCain was Bushlight. Obama was BushPlus.

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I won't question you're Christianity......your sanity maybe but not your Christianity :-)

There once was a saint who voted for Obama
And said that it was just good Karma
Many speculated on his Christianity
but others just his sanity
But now it's time for a preach-o-rama

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:)

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it is when a drunk driver crosses you path..day and night here in Houston..doesn't matter.... :spit

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admittedly that was one of my lessor limericks

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coadie is the one they call Coco
He is always doing a nono
He rarely makes sense
and that makes Pel tense
So Coadie, go suck on a hoho

http://homepage.mac.com/craigstephens/images/hoho.jpg

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enuf of bushes.. lets not remember all the dreadful decisions like crusading into iraq.....more than a half million Christians had to leave Saddams beautiful paradice..:laffatu where they could at least occupy till Jesus come..they run off to Syria only to be caught up in the middle of that ...:foottap

Are you coming out of the closet?

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That does not take in the SSI tax, or state taxes (unemployment). Just pure Federal Income tax.

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I do agree with this. McCain was the slightly lesser of two evils yet would have led us down a similar road as Obama is -with the economic results being the same, except it would have now been blamed on "Republican" economic policies.