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I enjoyed my 24-hour return to the mine field called America's Foaming Forum, or whatever AFF stands for. I made my case, disagreed with something a Forum Hero said, and got POUNDED for it. :lol

I'll leave you rabid stone-throwers alone and hit the trail again, and I'll be back in a few months to annoy you all again. Those of you that run this forum should be thankful for me. Your disinteresting forum hasn't had this much action since, well, the last time I stirred up a fuss! Just admit it, you love having me here!

God bless you all, thanks for your time, this time, 'til next time, so long.

OPII

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Oh shut up you coward.

Good riddance!

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:lol

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going back to the IAH forum? (Thats I'M a Hater)

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Good. One less Pharisaical devil who attacks people on the forum. Sorry folks, but after the lack of sleep last night because my knee was out of place, my tolerance for Pharisees is at an all time low this morning.

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And, now, the chorus of crickets chimes in... :)

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My husband and son read the other forum...it is not my cup of tea...but there are many good people there also...please don't judge all by the spirit OP11 has shown...sorry for the UC's...he has brought a bad name against us....however glad he is not God. If he disagreed or did not understand the christian thing to do whas to have sent me a message asking what I meant....lol...if someone waits for me to run up a credit card they will wait a long time....sorry folks....

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OPII,

Thank you for at least doing one decent thing - leaving. Please don't feel any rush to come back. I know you are just totally shocked that personally attacking a beloved longtime AFF member who is a missionary has elicited a strong response.

Perhaps you can use your time away here for a good bible study on the fruit of the spirit and read a good book on common courtesy. I would also suggest one for common sense but I don't think that can be learned.

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exit is in the top right hand corner... dont let the door hit you.

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:highfive

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I'm thinking OPII loves this sort of stuff... lol

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:drama

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As I heard some of my grand kids say many years ago...





Don't let the door hit you
where the good Lord split you.

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I heard it like

Don't let the door hit ya
whir the Gud Lord Split ya

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Obviously, OP hails from the mindset of someone that is better suited to meanspirited confrontations

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Mr. Bailey is "bailing" out...:heeheehee

I definitly agree with whoever said, "I bet he loves this stuff."

You can guarantee he's pounding his chest, fluffing his ego, and bragging about how he stirred up the libs on AFF...

It saddens me that the cure for his boredom was to come on here and bash innocent Godly women...He should be ashamed...not proud.

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"stirred up the libs" - - defending a con!!!

We are an equal party forum!

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yeh I just realized.. those who are labeled libs are actually defending a conservative who's statements were attacked by a fellow conservative... lol

I was a part of a conference one time called the "Together Conference" and it had a motto, "Every fellow in the same ship" It was an interdenominational conference held by a OP church. Jonathan Suber was the speaker and we had a Lutheran pastor be filled with the Spirit and speak in tongues on the platform.

I was emailed by someone very famous for bashing liberals saying that he was aware of my association with the direction *Pastor so and so* was taking the church and about how awful it was that I would choose to be a part of such of a conference.

I'm typically a conservative on most things but a conference for many denominations to hear the Word preached together. Man what an opportunity for all to be brought under the unity of the faith!

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correct...I just figured that He grouped Sister A in with us libs since she posted here alot...sort of a "guilty by association"...but I do understand your point. :-)

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I look at people in other denominations or organizations differently than some on here do. I am a one-stepper. I believe that justification/salvation/regeneration happens when a person turns to Jesus and asks Him to come into their life. In my opinion water baptism and Spirit baptism are experiences that are available to us after salvation and whether we receive one or both of those experiences or not or in which order we receive them does not affect our salvation. Therefore, in my opinion, anyone in any denomination or organization who has asked Jesus to come in is my brother and sister and is part of the Bride.

This is from a booklet called "The Charismatic Movement, Renewal or Confusion?" which I received from Pastor James Lee Beall quite a while ago ( in the 1960's or maybe in the early 1970's). He was pastor of Bethesda Missionary Temple in Detroit, MI. This church was considered "Latter Rain," "Oneness Pentecostal," or "Apostolic Pentecostal" depending on your viewpoint. In this portion he describes his attitude toward "Charismatics," and tells of being invited to participate in one of their meetings.

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Religious Superiority

It is relatively simple to sit back and criticize every and all religious groups. If you want something to offend you, it will be easily found.

When the Lord God first began to pour the Holy Spirit upon segments of the organized church --the Catholics, the Baptists, the Episcopalians, etc., I sat back to criticize. Believe me, I found plenty that I did not consider right or proper.

How superior I felt as I sat in my detached ivory tower pointing out the wrongs committed by others! There is no feeling quite like that which comes with religious superiority. It is like the eye saying to the hand, "I have no need of you."

...It is my personal opinion that the charismatic renewal has brought segments of the religious world to needed areas of maturity. For the first time in years and years, men and women of different persuasions are able to sit down and talk without cutting one another to pieces. We have ceased being afraid of one another.

My First Charismatic Conference.

Some years back I was invited to one of the major U.S. cities to take part in a city-wide charismatic conference. This was the first for me and I wasn't sure that I wanted to go.

I gave the matter some thought and prayer. Inwardly I knew it was the right step for me. I accepted the invitations and left for the meetings.

What I saw in the initial services made me a little uneasy. Hundreds of people were in attendance with clergymen of all backgrounds.

During the course of this dinner-meeting,the religious community was invited to stand and identify themselves. To my surprise, the Roman Catholics --priests and nuns-- were in the majority.

I could not believe they were really interested in knowing about the baptism in the Holy Spirit and what God was doing spiritually all over the world. I had come to believe that Roman Catholics and Episcopalians were such dyed-in-the-wool sacramentalists that personal spiritual experiences were of little or no interest to them. In that meeting, I began to get the sneaky hunch that I might have been wrong.

The day after the initial dinner-meeting we conducted our services in one of the local church buildings. My responsibility was to speak morning and evening.

Following my teaching on the baptism in the Holy Spirit that evening I invited those who were interested to stand and express their interest in this way. About half of that audience responded.

The church sanctuary was completely filled so I asked those seated in the right front section to move toward the rear if they were not interested in further instruction and prayer for the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Finally, we got everyone settled again.

There in the first rows were Roman Catholic priests and nuns, along with other ministers and workers from various churches. I didn't know exactly what I ought to do.

The reason for my quandry was that I knew the Lord had no intention of filling these people with the Holy Spirit. They belonged to the wrong churches and I was not even sure of their salvation. There was no other step to be taken except that of instruction. This I did with the intention of eventually leading them to prayer.

In my prayer I led these seekers to repeat after me. My prayer would be a request for the forgiveness of sins and the confession that we were fully aware that there was one mediator between God and man, the Lord Jesus Christ. I was going to make Protestants out of all these Catholics if I possibly could. After all, this was the only way they could receive something from the Lord.

Mixed Reactions

While I was praying with my eyes closed, my prayer was interrupted. Someone was singing and praising God in another language. In a few minutes, others joined in.

When I opened my eyes to see who it was who was being filled with the Holy Spirit, i was amazed to find the majority of them were obviously Roman Catholics. My reactions were mixed. I was happy for them, while at the same time puzzled. How could this happen? What did it all mean?

The next day the entire scene broke in on me again. All I could say was, "God did it!" I did not lay my hands on them. No one gave them words to say nor did we initiate anything.

God evidently did not care if they were protestants or Catholics and He did not keep the Spirit from them because they wore clerical clothes. The Lord God looked down into the hearts and saw the hunger there. Not a hunger for things, or experiences, or gifts --just a deep and singular hunger and thirst for Him. He meets the hungry and satisfies their mouth with good things. Make no mistake about this.

We lost a true martyr here today. *wipes away a tear*

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Completely idiotic statement with absolutely zero foundation, rather it's only the fruit of your overly-active imagination. You know what, I think I'm going to call my lawyer. :lol

"Personally attacking". Yep, just throw enough accusations against the wall and hope something sticks. Bugs Bunny would have called you a maroon.

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I'll have to admit, I don't mind all of you helping me out in continuing to bring attention to my viewpoints. So thanks everyone! Much appreciated.

All these Phariseeical, condescending put-downs are entertaining, there's no doubt about it. Interestingly, word has circulated, evidently, of this little controversy here in AFF-Land, and quite a few of my friends have emailed me saying, "Thanks for saying something." The number of people who have emailed me is greater than the number of you OPII Stone-throwers. So you all can paint me all you want as the nut case over in my corner of insanity, but the truth is, I'm most likely in the majority.

So I came on here knowing full well what I would get and I'm more than willing to face down every one of you. Oh wait, I forgot, I'm a "Coward", I believe it was someone called me. :lol HEY!!! Did that person get infracted for calling me that? That's name-calling!!!:happydance

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Considering you came back on again this evening, here's my thought on why you returned so suddenly: you're a troll, a liar, or your calendar is way off; it hasn't been a a few months yet. Oh, to have the boring life of OPII to go against his own word just check out what others have responded with. :drama

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Well, as long as your having fun. :ohplease

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It sounds like you and your pals spend too much time talking about Sister Alvear behind her back. I think that adds insult to injury. Bringing a disagreement out into the open is fine, if you can be respectful (which of course, you have not).

Some people have a hard time saying anything without sounding caustic, hostile, sarcastic or downright mean. From your posts that I've seen since you first joined this forum, you are one of those people.

I've always found that people are meaner when they objectify or devalue their opponent/victim; that happens online whenever people forget that there are real people behind the words in these posts. The truth is, if you were standing face to face with Sister Alvear, you would probably be less likely to run your mouth, and if you did, your words would probably be measured and filtered, and possibly polite (hopefully). Maybe you should exercise the same caution online.

Your friends agree with you?! I'm stunned. Tell me more.

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I don't know how some of you people sleep at night. You twist the truth and make it into whatever you'd like it to be. How does your conscience not bother you? What I've said has been said right here on the public forum and my first response was directly to her.

How long did it take you to look all that up? Talk about spending too much time on something.

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I thought you were leaving?

:waving

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If you read carefully, Dogwood, I didn't say when I was leaving, I just said when I would be returning.:whistle

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What, and miss out on all the nice things people are saying about me? I couldn't do that!! Besides, like I just told Dogtree, I said I was leaving but I didn't say when.

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I think some people like attention. :)

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Okay, okay, I got a good laugh at that one..."Dogwood." You also have a spelling problem, apparently...

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And the laugh I got at that one was even bigger and better than the former... :heeheehee

I think you're just pouring salt on your own wounds. But, nevertheless, Heaven still awaits you...and me, and Cindy, and Hoovie, and...well, the list is longer than you would allow.

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Why should my conscience bother me?????? You're the one admitting to discussing Sister Alvear with your friends in emails, private messages and on facebook, and apparently with a "LOT" of people. How does pointing that out affect MY conscience? It should bother yours. What truth did I twist, OP?

Also, I do think it's right to address people directly if you have a disagreement, although privately is obviously better (especially initially). However, if you can't do it respectfully, you shouldn't do it at ALL, IMO. At least, that's how my mother raised me.

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And WHERE in any of those statements you pasted did I EVER admit to "discussing Sister Alvear with your friends in emails, private messages and on facebook"??????? WHERE????? Do you people just make stuff up as you type?? This is like me saying that Sis. Alvear threatened to call her lawyers and Ms. Craig arguing profusely that she didn't and to prove it, quoted Sis. Alvear as saying that she wasn't going to sue anyone!!! The two had nothing to do with each other!! This stuff is just made up!! I've read that I'm a coward, that I think credit cards are evil, that I called Sis. Alvear a liar, I mean it's just non-stop mountains of BULL.

You people bring new meaning to the phrase "Evangelistically Speaking. This is kinda like a church that seats 150 having 17,000 on Easter. If you must condemn, the reasonable and fair thing to do to anyone whether you like them or not is to at least try to quote something they actually DID say!!

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If you didn't talk to your pals about it, then how do you know a "LOT" of people agree with you? You're the one who mentioned emails, private messages and fb. Were there are lot of people who shared your "concerns" or not?

Your true colors are showing as usual. Temper, temper, OPII. :toofunny

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It's difficult to temper my temper when everyone just wants to make things up. In the attempt to defend a well-loved lady, who was never actually attacked; in an effort to fight a war that was never taking place, people have just decided to just throw endless stupidity against the wall and see how much of it will stick.

"quite a few of my friends have emailed me saying, "Thanks for saying something."

There's no discussion about her behind her back mentioned there.

There are a LOT of people that just roll their eyes

There's no discussion about her behind her back mentioned there.

It was actually a friend of mine actually emailed me a link to this thread.

There's no discussion about her behind her back mentioned there.

in private messages here on the forum, in emails, and in Facebook messages, a LOT of people get weary of it.

There's no discussion about her behind her back mentioned there.



I'm aware of a lot of things. To be aware of something and to actively talk about someone behind their back are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS!!! And yes, the all-caps signifies a difficulty in tempering my temper.:mad:

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OPII, I thought you were leaving again. Guess we should add lying to your resume as well.

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Oh please dont leave "op ie whine ca nobie" we love you soooo much ,YOUR A LEGEND ,WOAH IS US ,WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO,we are overcome with grief ,:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantrum