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Scrolling through my Facebook news feed this morning, it was filled with updates such as these:

-Bro jeff Arnold just literally died on the altar after preaching Impact Conference. Then he was raised up and ran across the platform! 3-4 nurses confirmed he had no pulse! I seen the man! He was dead! The emts arrived and chked him and everything was normal!

-He preached on signs miracles and wonders last night at impact, fainted, nurse confirmed him dead, no pulse, and church prayed he got up shouted...

-Yes, it was at the Impact Conference last night. It was an awesome service where he preached then afterwards during the altar service was when it happened. I was watching on internet, but they stopped the internet before it all happened. But I spoke with someone that was there and she said there were RN's and a Nurse Practioner there and they couldn't find a pulse. 911 was called. Prayer was being made. He was dead but God raised him!

-Bro. Arnold's opening line was "God told me: If you can convince my people, i will confirm my word"

Although I don't know him personally, he is a reputable pastor in the Florida District and I think that this is pretty incredible.

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I heard something about this too on my FB home page.

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I like Jeff His is a big advocate of miracles and he is also a preacher who will work with those out side the upci.

He is a amazing man, and i like to hear him preach. I have not heard of this yet but i gurantee time sunday comes it will be preached or something stated about it during the sermon

however i currently cant find anything on the topic doing general searches.

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I have heard about this. I was at a rangers game last night with some old friends from my UPC church. Her sister was there and witnessed the whole thing.

I wonder why God would let him die just to heal him. Hmmm, . . .

I also heard he said before he died or passed out, that God told him, "if you convince them, I will confirm it".

I used to like Jeff Arnold when I was UPC because he seem to take the UPC to task for a lot of stuff that was true.

I don't think he really died though. Sometimes people want a miracle so bad to validate their beliefs that they will believe anything. I am not saying he isn't sincere but there is a lot of emotionalism and frenzy that happens and people can get caught up in it.

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BTW, there was a little girl healed of brain cancer after the elders at our church prayed for her. But because it is a baptist church none of my pentecostal family believes it.

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Delta, I agree that we need to be very careful not to believe everything we hear. But I also don't think we should go the other extreme and immediately discount every miracle we hear about.

God could have allowed Bro. Arnold to die, so that he would be healed, and then God would get the glory. Although the UPCI may not have all their doctrine right, God is still pleased to perform miracles in their midst. It seems that those who see the most miracles are those who are the most hungry for miracles.

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Don't intend to throw cold water on anything... But :)

Nurses and EMTs do not pronounce or confirm people dead in cases like this.

SOPs when witnessing someone going down is to ensure an open airway, check for breathing, check for pulse, proceed to CPR. In my experience CPR is administered no less than 15 minutes or so but most likely longer, most often until the patient is in the hospital and and doctor orders discontinuation.

IMO, the medics and nurses present did not do their job if they did not immediately check Airway, breathing, circulation followed by CPR.

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:thumbsup

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Glad he is well. And I have no clue whether he was "dead" or not. Nothing I have heard is convincing, though he clearly did have a medical emergency, and God can and does intervene.

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Posted by his daughter:

My Father --- WOW! (Story about Rev. JW Arnold, Pastor The Pentecostals of Gainesville)by Rocky Essex on Friday, July 29, 2011 at 9:15am
From Dena Arnold Wilson (Rev. Jeff Arnold's daughter):

Well here it goes…….last night my father was preaching a conference in Mississippi. After preaching he sat down during altar call as he started not feeling well. He had been fasting & thought perhaps he needed something to eat. He asked for someone to get him something to eat.



Last thing he remembers was he fainted & fell out of the chair. Apparently he did not have a pulse for 10-15 minutes according to the EMT…so basically he died. Then out of nowhere he opens his eyes, gets up, goes back out to the church service, grabs the microphone & says “God is a healer”.



All I can say is “YES HE IS”!!! Dad’s vital signs are fine & he says he feels great! After the church service he went out to eat with the pastor. Later he made it back to the hotel just fine. He called my mother & assured her that he is fine.



In his words "HE FEELS GREAT"! He will be traveling home today.

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then you dont know jeff arnold, infact at a preachers conference He talked about a woman, who had never been baptized in Jesus name, never spoke in tounges, she prayed for her crippled son and God healed him.

He even went to the point and said if you want to go ahead and condem me a heretic. He knew what he saw.

So he would probably believed that happened.

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I wasn't speaking directly about Jeff Arnold no believing. Among some they think that their movement has more power or miracles than other groups. I have had people tell me that God hears the prayers of a person and can heal a sinner after I had told them of the miracle in our church.

I know all about JA and have watched or heard many of his sermons. Like I said, I always like the guy when I was in the UPC and could claim that some of his sermons helped me leave because he questioned the established doctrine at times. I figured if he could do it I could do it without going to hell.

I remember the quote he had about the UPC having a lot of head knowledge but no love and the charismatics who had big hearts.

I am not a fan of the faith building type sermons because it is very close to the word of faith types stuff I am used to seeing where they blame the person needing healing if they aren't healed.

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personally i have seen more moves of the Spirit in a trinity pentacostal church of God than i have in the Upci.

For it is the same Spirit in both assemblies.

No man has the power to Heal only God does, and he is not bound by any denomination

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acerrak, you are right. God moves where he wants to move.

I am not saying this to put down on the UPC but just to illustrate how feelings can change. After four years after leaving the UPC I have only been to two services. One was at youthquake in Bastrop, Louisiana where I went to see my brother sing in the choir and also to try to mend some of the distance between my parents and myself.

The second was at easter.

Honestly, I didn't feel anything. I has just been so long and is so distant from everything that I believe that it is hard to take it serious. I respect a lot of the people there and I know they really are sincere.

The church I go to now has only songs and a sermon. There isn't any drama, light shows, or anything amazing. It is just so pure and simple and I love it. Sometimes I look around and I wonder if that is what heaven will be like. Just peaceful and passionate and glorious.

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Technically... the failure of a nurse to find a pulse is not the same as a person being "dead." The nurse just couldn't find a pulse. This IS cause to be concerned... even alarmed, obviously. But "dead?" Not necessarily.

http://news.myjoyonline.com/lightern...1107/70172.asp

I wasn't there and have no idea what happened. But, knowing JA - he may well of over-exerted himself while preaching to the point of pushing his aging body to its natural limits. Lots of preachers have died in the pulpit. Some have even been killed while ministering from the pulpit.

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John 12:10-11 says, "But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus."

Jesus purposely allowed Lazarus to die just so he could raise him from the dead and bring people to belief. Even then the skeptics just discounted the whole event and even sought to discredit and destroy those involved in the miracle.

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Of course my view doesn't really need to be said. Oh, I believe he collapsed and was out for several minutes.......

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Although, I only got to see the preaching on the internet, several people in my church were there and I have family in that church. Four nurses and an Iraq war veteran experienced with death couldn't find his pulse. He was gray as ash. He was unconscious and unresponsive. He wasn't breathing. They didn't say he was dead as far as I know, but it certainly appeared that way. After several minutes of apparent lifelessness, Bro. Arnold sat up and then got up worshipping. Other miracles were a testimony of one guy to his eyes being healed. Two others testified of healing of deafness. One was deaf in one ear. The other was partially deaf in both ears. Close to fifty testified of pain leaving their body in the service. What is interesting is that at the end of his preaching Bro. Arnold repeatedly said "We don't need hyper-faith." The service was actually slow and he was really almost teaching rather than preaching. (If you can believe that.) It was a definite move of God, not worked up junk. There will be other reports coming out of it, that is for sure. So, Praise God!!!!! He is the one who gets all the glory!

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I totally believe God can raise the dead! As to why? I would think it would be to bring attention to the gospel and convince the unbeliever.

Lord, by this time he stinketh... For he has been dead four days!

 25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

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i wonder if he was unconscious? did he see a tunnel of light? did he speak to god or a few angels?

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God honors faith wherever it can be found.

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That is wonderful that God would heal the girl of Brain Cancer! Praise God.

I believe God is doing a great work in these last days to bring people back to the knowledge and belief in His divine power. We tend to forget it was a Baptist couple who invited William Seymour to the prayer meeting at Bonnie Brae street prior to the Azusa Street revival. Pentecost was not born out of a disagreement or debate over doctrine like Protestantism, but from hungry souls seeking more from God than they had.

I can't wait to hear about God filling people with the Holy Ghost in your church just like He did in the Book of Acts! I will be believing God with you for just that.

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I think they already have it. :) My church believes in the gifts.

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now, that's tragic that because the miracle happened when Baptists prayed that the Pentecostals cannot accept it.

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ain't that the truth

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God the Holy Ghost moves among trinnies and JO's equally
because He's more interested in their hearts than in their heads

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Does he usually illustrate that sermon with a death and resuscitation?

Was this Jeff Arnold or Aimee Semple McPherson?

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It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.

It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.

In any case I am glad he is fine.

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He was NOT dead, for he was not asleep for 3 days and STINK-ETH!

Miracles happen all the time - not just in OP churches. But woe unto those that seek for a sign! Matthew 16:4 - An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign.

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Praise the Lord, I happen to believe it. Do most Pentecostals believe God only answers Pentecostal's prayers? How they limit God, if so.

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Well I think some, (not all) Pentecostal folks seek credibility and evidence, ironically, that what they have and practice is legit and beyond refutation.

Many claims are made, even routinely, about OP/Apostolics being the apple of God's eye, so it helps when we can lay claim to something irrefutable... Unfortunately, sometimes the claims themselves become the Achilles Heel...

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Is that healed after surgery/treatment or a real miracle healing? I have no prob with any human on earth can receive a miracle.

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Very interesting... having responded to over a thousand medical emergencies as an EMT I still have a few normal questions.

What happened? How long did he feel faint or lightheaded? Was he exerting himself prior to collapse? When was the last time he ate? What was it? How much water did he drink today? Was he sweating? What time was it when you could not find a pulse? Did CPR begin immediately, and continue until just now? Who pronounced him dead?

These are normal questions, among others, which might give clue to the the event and why it occurred.

If someone thinks I am trying to discredit anything - they are simply wrong. Quite the opposite is true actually.

By answering these questions we can help substantiate the cause of purported death and subsequent claims of supernatural intervention, or otherwise give thanks to God for His goodness toward his servant and minister.

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my old church of God we had a foot washing for a man that had cancer. and it was Gone and confirmed by the doctors with surgery.

Doc was like there is no cancer, couldnt believe it. met the preach comming out of the elevator to tell him the news.

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Has anyone ever seen God grow a missing limb?

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Like a certain alter that was struck by lightening and split in two mid sermon.

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Leaders always seem to gain credibility with their "sheep" when it appears that God chooses to heal them (after killing them of course) in some miraculous manner.

Wasn't LS "dead" for quite some time before God chose to resurrect him?

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It's also a matter of the Bible saying "greater things than these shall they do". A lot of miracles happened in Acts, and so people really, really want these things to happen today. I think it's an honest desire, but it does cause a lot of hype. Not saying this instance was hype, I wasn't there.... but there are a lot of exaggerated stories going around just because people want signs and wonders to happen.

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Another example of how error in interpretation leads to error in practice.