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TGBTG 08-02-2011 03:47 PM
Firstborn (some references:)
 
Col 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Jer 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Ex 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Austin 08-02-2011 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1086100)
Col 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Jer 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Ex 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
I'm very familar with Branham and his sermons and books. Also heard his sermon on one of the web pages. Those were very different times, were they not?

Praxeas 08-02-2011 04:29 PM
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what's the point?

Praxeas 08-02-2011 04:31 PM
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BTW who was born first? Esau or Jacob (Israel)?

Ishmael or Isaac?

Michael The Disciple 08-02-2011 04:34 PM
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Whats Branham got to do with "firstborn"?

acerrak 08-02-2011 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1086108)
BTW who was born first? Esau or Jacob (Israel)?

Ishmael or Isaac?
we see a ever present reality, abel (second) over cain. Isaac(second) over ishmael
jacob (second) over esau -> which is nations, (jacob was never ove his brother, but the nation of israel was over edom)

Jesus (second and last adam) over adam(first)

Praxeas 08-03-2011 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1086147)
we see a ever present reality, abel (second) over cain. Isaac(second) over ishmael
jacob (second) over esau -> which is nations, (jacob was never ove his brother, but the nation of israel was over edom)

Jesus (second and last adam) over adam(first)
Right, this shows the term First Born does not mean the first one born or created. It means one that is higher in rank

Michael The Disciple 08-03-2011 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1086199)
Right, this shows the term First Born does not mean the first one born or created. It means one that is higher in rank
It does not prove firstborn does not mean the first born. Firstborn in scripture generally referred to the first born son. At times God exalted the younger above the elder but that does not change the basic truth.

Falla39 08-03-2011 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1086210)
It does not prove firstborn does not mean the first born. Firstborn in scripture generally referred to the first born son. At times God exalted the younger above the elder but that does not change the basic truth.
Adam wasn't "born". Jesus was.

Just sayin...

TGBTG 08-03-2011 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1086105)
I'm very familar with Branham and his sermons and books. Also heard his sermon on one of the web pages. Those were very different times, were they not?
What has Branham got to do with this thread? I noticed a couple of firstborn references in the bible and i just thought they were interesting...especially how God said Israel was his firstborn and then Ephraim was his firstborn. I thought they were interesting and wanted to see if others had opinions/thought/comments on "firstborn" as used in the scriptures...

I'm still sitting here wondering how Branham got into this discussion...whew!

Praxeas 08-03-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1086210)
It does not prove firstborn does not mean the first born. Firstborn in scripture generally referred to the first born son. At times God exalted the younger above the elder but that does not change the basic truth.
it proves the term "first born" does NOT always refer to the first one born or created. Yes it absolutely does

Michael The Disciple 08-03-2011 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1086373)
it proves the term "first born" does NOT always refer to the first one born or created. Yes it absolutely does
Thats what I said. It does not ALWAYS mean either one. But the GENERAL MEANING as per the weight of scripture means they are talking about someones first born son. The first one who was born.

RandyWayne 08-03-2011 03:24 PM
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Isn't trying to define "first born" a bit like Clinton trying to define "is"?


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