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Hoovie 08-05-2011 06:47 PM

Funny? Or Unwarranted Entrapment?
 
You won!! And when you go pick up your free tickets you get busted for delinquent child support!

I have mixed feelings... in one sense it's really funny, but then I find myself wishing they had nabbed violent offenders or armed robbers instead of someone behind on their bills. But maybe that shows that I may view defrauding child support as a lessor crime - and of course I don't!

Like I said, I have mixed feelings. You?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...n=ncaaf-wp4586

Cindy 08-05-2011 07:28 PM

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I feel it is tough on both the payer and the payee with child support. Now the ones that just don't try or take responsibility, get them in any way necessary. I like the wage garnish, but some just work jobs that don't do that. For the ones that divorce and remarry and have more kids, then say they can't afford child support for their other kids, tough, you should be able to support ALL your kids. But, if you're in jail how are you going to pay? And when you get out after paying usually BIG fines, how are you going to pay? Bottom line: support your kids!!!!
You're point about other criminals, they do that sometimes, also.

Austin 08-06-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1087283)
You won!! And when you go pick up your free tickets you get busted for delinquent child support!

I have mixed feelings... in one sense it's really funny, but then I find myself wishing they had nabbed violent offenders or armed robbers instead of someone behind on their bills. But maybe that shows that I may view defrauding child support as a lessor crime - and of course I don't!

Like I said, I have mixed feelings. You?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...n=ncaaf-wp4586

I remember when I paid mine to the bitter end. Even though she wanted and had another man I still paid dearly. They had a great time buying 4-wheelers and cars with that money.
If you would have come to my house and looked in my refrigerator you would have thought I was fasting.
But praise the Lord, just like Job i have been blessed five fold in all things and her and her lover later turned husband is now with another and she also after she got out of jail for drunk driving...
But I believe whether law or not it is the responsibility of a man to take care of his children..

RandyWayne 08-06-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1087499)
I remember when I paid mine to the bitter end. Even though she wanted and had another man I still paid dearly. They had a great time buying 4-wheelers and cars with that money.
If you would have come to my house and looked in my refrigerator you would have thought I was fasting.
But praise the Lord, just like Job i have been blessed five fold in all things and her and her lover later turned husband is now with another and she also after she got out of jail for drunk driving...
But I believe whether law or not it is the responsibility of a man to take care of his children..

He who laughs last..... lol

I only have a few years to go myself. It is a bit irksome knowing I pay a but load of taxes, write my check to nice child support people, she gets it, pays NO income taxes (because of the earned income child deduction tax "credit"), and gets her nice multigrand welfare, errrr, "tax refund" check every year.

Austin 08-07-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1087506)
He who laughs last..... lol

I only have a few years to go myself. It is a bit irksome knowing I pay a but load of taxes, write my check to nice child support people, she gets it, pays NO income taxes (because of the earned income child deduction tax "credit"), and gets her nice multigrand welfare, errrr, "tax refund" check every year.

Yes that's true and also in this state the guy has to provide health insurance as well..
It's almost like, we're the ones to blame, which might be the case, but a lot of the time it is the female who tears the marriage up also.
The World of Justice! :tease

jaxfam6 08-07-2011 09:51 PM

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the thing I don't get is if they put them in jail how are they going to PAY the back child support??? yeah Hoovie, mixed feelings here about it too.

RandyWayne 08-07-2011 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 1087734)
the thing I don't get is if they put them in jail how are they going to PAY the back child support??? yeah Hoovie, mixed feelings here about it too.

There is that. It is the last true case of debtors prison in America.

CC1 08-07-2011 10:14 PM

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I am a very strong law and order guy and have no problem tricking deadbeats like that. What I did see recently that bothered me somewhat was a reality tv show I ran across called "bait car" where different urban police departments drive a car to a rough area and leave it with the engine running and I think maybe even the door open.

It is pretty obvious if you take a nice car to the ghetto and leave it alone with the engine running it is going to get stolen pretty quickly. I tend to think that is inapropriate because it is tempting people to commit a crime who otherwise would not have done so (at least not until they found a real idiot who would leave their car alone and running). I would rather see cops out spending their time busting criminals who are actively committing crimes on their own.

TJJJ 08-07-2011 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1087741)
I am a very strong law and order guy and have no problem tricking deadbeats like that. What I did see recently that bothered me somewhat was a reality tv show I ran across called "bait car" where different urban police departments drive a car to a rough area and leave it with the engine running and I think maybe even the door open.

It is pretty obvious if you take a nice car to the ghetto and leave it alone with the engine running it is going to get stolen pretty quickly. I tend to think that is inapropriate because it is tempting people to commit a crime who otherwise would not have done so (at least not until they found a real idiot who would leave their car alone and running). I would rather see cops out spending their time busting criminals who are actively committing crimes on their own.

CC, i love those bait car vids, they are great! There are some real losers that get busted, very few that did not need removing off the streets!

Hoovie 08-07-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1087741)
I am a very strong law and order guy and have no problem tricking deadbeats like that. What I did see recently that bothered me somewhat was a reality tv show I ran across called "bait car" where different urban police departments drive a car to a rough area and leave it with the engine running and I think maybe even the door open.

It is pretty obvious if you take a nice car to the ghetto and leave it alone with the engine running it is going to get stolen pretty quickly. I tend to think that is inapropriate because it is tempting people to commit a crime who otherwise would not have done so (at least not until they found a real idiot who would leave their car alone and running). I would rather see cops out spending their time busting criminals who are actively committing crimes on their own.

Isn't a hot undercover "hooker" tempting people to commit a crime too - specifically men? I mean, most hookers in the getto have meth teeth right? So when one doesn't it's like the guys have hit a jackpot!:spit

RandyWayne 08-07-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1087745)
CC, i love those bait car vids, they are great! There are some real losers that get busted, very few that did not need removing off the streets!

I love watching the Vice squad do their hotel room stings. You can't help but to feel a tiny bit sorry for a few of those guys when their arrests get announced in the papers. But probably better to be caught when they are rather then deal with all the fallout of seeing a real prostitute.

TJJJ 08-07-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1087748)
I love watching the Vice squad do their hotel room stings. You can't help but to feel a tiny bit sorry for a few of those guys when their arrests get announced in the papers.

I worked corrections just long enough to be able to really laugh about these things, sorry to some but I feel absolutely no pity for those busted in these situations. Forget about entrapment, if you don't bite you wont get stung!

ForeverBlessed 08-07-2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1087506)
He who laughs last..... lol

I only have a few years to go myself. It is a bit irksome knowing I pay a but load of taxes, write my check to nice child support people, she gets it, pays NO income taxes (because of the earned income child deduction tax "credit"), and gets her nice multigrand welfare, errrr, "tax refund" check every year.

you know...some people actually need that tax refund check, it has paid for a lot of necessary things.

I raised three kids on a lower income without any child support (exception of about 6 months once). I thankfully did get earned income credit and my girls do qualify for FASA that is paying for college right now....and thanks to all who paid federal taxes when I couldn't afford to, and made this happen. They will soon be paying a boat load of taxes, as they will make a lot more than I do.

ForeverBlessed 08-07-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6 (Post 1087734)
the thing I don't get is if they put them in jail how are they going to PAY the back child support??? yeah Hoovie, mixed feelings here about it too.

I don't know about short jail time, but if someone is doing time in prison, you no longer owe child support.. it stops.

RandyWayne 08-07-2011 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed (Post 1087754)
you know...some people actually need that tax refund check, it has paid for a lot of necessary things.

I raised three kids on a lower income without any child support (exception of about 6 months once). I thankfully did get earned income credit and my girls do qualify for FASA that is paying for college right now....and thanks to all who paid federal taxes when I couldn't afford to, and made this happen. They will soon be paying a boat load of taxes, as they will make a lot more than I do.

Oh yes, my wife and I also paid for every single cent of college. Our parents didn't help. OK, there were a few hundred in grants we both earned which took a TINY bit out of the first semester of the first year, but the rest was all loans. I am also not paying one cent toward my sons college either.... Unless you pay for yourself you will not give 100%.

Hoovie 08-07-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1087758)
Oh yes, my wife and I also paid for every single cent of college. Our parents didn't help. OK, there were a few hundred in grants we both earned which took a TINY bit out of the first semester of the first year, but the rest was all loans. I am also not paying one cent toward my sons college either.... Unless you pay for yourself you will not give 100%.

I think it depends on the child and how well the parents communicate their expectations.

We plan to pay for an Associates Degree or two years of college...

RandyWayne 08-07-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1087759)
I think it depends on the child and how well the parents communicate their expectations.

We plan to pay for an Associates Degree or two years of college...

To clarify, I do plan on helping him in other ways such as a new laptop or even pay for his books (and maybe even a little spending money), but his tuition will be all on him.

ForeverBlessed 08-07-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1087759)
I think it depends on the child and how well the parents communicate their expectations.

We plan to pay for an Associates Degree or two years of college...

I agree. When you are raised without any frills or extras in this life, you think differently about money...and appreciate it. My daughter almost cried when we went over her school bill and realized it was paid. She is determined to make something of her life. I have agreed to support her financially if she does her part.

I told my girls straight up, I can't afford to send you to college...you will need to get scholarships or apply for grants. The school let me know about 21st Century Scholars when the two youngest were in the 8th grade.

My oldest is just now deciding to go back to school in Jan...after realizing you really need an education, she is only making $12 an hour @ her job. I hope she makes it ok, she isn't the most disciplined and doesn't live with me.


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