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How many of you take the sin of gluttony seriously? If people would get their BMIs in a healthy range, that along with some other healthy habits would go a long way towards cutting down costs of health care.

my doctor tells me:

a healthy (best longevity) BMI for women is 22-23,

and a healthy (best longevity) BMI for men is 24-25.

http://www.livestrong.com/tools/body-mass-calculator/

for people who train hard with weights, the BMI can be a little higher.

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Naw, the only sin one can commit against their body is smoking or drinking. Go and eat all you want! You don't even need to exercise. You can even joke about it from the pulpit!

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by Doug Collins Obesity is an epidemic!

We’ve all seen the statistics about the global obesity situation. The alarm bells have been sounded and we are told this global epidemic is going to get worse before it ever gets better.

Lets take a look at the situation and facts

According to World Health Organization (WHO) there are approximately 1.6 billion overweight or obese people in the world; as compared to a total population of 6.8 billion globally. The WHO has projected that by 2015, almost 2.3 billion adults will be overweight and more than 700 million will be obese.

The latest statistics in the USA show that Obesity rates have reached epidemic levels with 58 million being overweight; 40 million considered obese; and 3 million morbidly obese. This means that eight out of ten people over the age of 25 are overweight.

It is also estimated that in the USA alone more than $30 billion a year is spent on weight loss products and diet programs, with one in three adults reportedly trying to trim pounds. But despite all this effort the statistics is indicating that the obesity numbers continue to rise.

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both my sister and myself needed to lose weight when we were in our sleeves down to the wrists, dresses down to the ankles, hair down to the knees stage in life.

now we both run, swim, lift weights, walk on the beach, and have a much healthier lifestyles.

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mine is 27

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I don't know what mine is, I weigh 88 pounds.

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Yours is probably 3

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Shame on you! That's not very Pentecostal! :heeheehee just kiddin'

Been Thinkin

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wew...I am very overweight...I really don't eat a lot...the doctors treat me for a disorder once but did not seem to help...I really should try again if I lost weight I know I would feel better.

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Cindy is probably a closet Baptist...couldn't be Pentecostal....ha..

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:heeheehee

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I am overweight. Was a lot worse. But, the Bible also calls pride an abomination unto the Lord as well. Maybe, since so many are attacking weight, we can also check pride, strife, and lying as well. All are equally abominable.

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sometimes you actually need to eat more then less, smaller portions with protein and veggies, sometimes if you eat to little your metabolism gets to sluggish.

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you are so right, sin is sin.

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I don't think gluttony is the reason many people are overweight. Some yes, but not all.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the standard American diet is horrible and most people, including the USDA, have no real clue what a healthy diet is.

Plus, once you are overweight, and have damaged your body's metabolism, you do not have to overeat to remain overweight.

It's easy to point fingers, but it's a complex issue, and I believe different solutions are needed for different people/body types.

And just for the record, my BMI falls within the normal range. :)

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It has a lot to do with the commercialization of food, generations ago, people just ate whole food, now it's processed, preserved, and packaged and often not very healthy.

I think it takes a lot of effort to learn to eat healthy and obtain a healthy weight in our society.

Gratz on a normal BMI btw :)

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So are we believing Old Testament sins and standards are valid again???? Its hard to keep up with any kind of consistancy on this forum..

Gluttony is mentioned in the New Testament when they accused Jesus of gluttony.. Tell me my friends how can they accuse Jesus of gluttony unless he was fat????

Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

If gluttony is based on weight then Jesus must have been fat for the rumors to spread..

Unless gluttony means something else.......:foottap

I think I know...



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Gluttony is one of those sins that is just a little bit hard to define. After all at what bite does a person go from being "perfect" to being in a sinful state? At what impossibly thin line does food go from being "good" to being overly processed and thus no different then smoking tobacco (since both are bad the ol temple)? Thus is the problem with trying to define sin in a binary manner.

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Your'e pretty close, Hoovie! Mine is 26, and I won't be happy until I stay below 25. Many folk regard the BMI as unreasonable nannyism. But BMI is merely based upon statistical medical risk, regardless of your "body type." For me, 25 is still a little above my "high school weight," so I believe it's very doable.

Everyone has the right to be obese if they want....except those who are doing it on my or your dime. Stand in a McDonalds parking lot in some parts of any city, and you will observe several obese single mama's towing their children into the so-called restaurant, enabled by your tax money. I live right next to a Section 8 (free housing) "family". Is it wrong to mention they are so-called "minority?" They don't work, but they sure do EAT, judging by their sizes. Neither do they mow their lawn. When the weeds get or 12 to 18inches high, "the city" comes in to mow it down for them, for free. Not kidding.
:girlytantrum

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A lot of times single mothers have to raise their kids on cheap high caloric, high fat foods. Using the term brood mares and litters imply they are animals. Please use your words carefully in the future. I will edit your post for you if you can't. A lot of them work very hard to raise their families.

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:thumbsup

You Saved me a repeat of the previous post stated by "untraditional": "we can also check pride, strife, and lying as well"...

I just loved the way Marcbee, threw the insults around...


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I have said what I said. A metaphor such as "brood mare"
is too offesive for AFF? Then go ahead and edit my post. This will be my last post forever on AFF. Wish there were really a way to unsubscribe, rather than hearing, "Well, just don't browse over here." A layer of inaccess would be way easier, please. I have an idea! Please "Ban me," Cindy. Then I'm REALLY unsubscribed, correct? Or do I need to insult someone to be banned, rather than using an edgy metaphor such as "brood mare?"

Please note I did not refer to HARD WORKING SINGLE MOTHERS. I referred to lazy single mamas who don't work, and are supported by tax dollars due to their choices to have a litter of babies supported by the government.

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I fully understand his frustration. We're not talking about good women who's man left them for greenier pastures. We're talking about women who make an industry out of breeding. I knew many of them from my home town with 4+ kids, all from different fathers. Did they work hard? That is a matter of debate since they still managed to be at the bar every night and of course had their kids on ADHD medication as a substitute for parenting.

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gluttony is an endomorphic psychosomatotype. An indulgent or pleasuring attitude to food. Not all gluttons are heavy.

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We can thank God you have been delivered from the demons of anorexia.

There are just as many maladaptive attitudes and wasted thoughts on all the other eating disorders. Some people invest very much time in sttudying food ingredients and now organic and hormone free. I just pray God will bless the food for nourishment and He does. I think God places more weight on prayer life, burdin for the lost, praise and gratitude.

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what scripture says gluttony is a sin?

PS: Not sanctioning gluttony

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According to my BMI, I'm overweight. I live a relatively healthy lifestyle, although stress and laziness do best me sometimes.

From my perspective (as someone who once struggled with an eating disorder) it's still hard to hear, even though I try to be happy with myself now. Just thinking out loud.

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I realize now that my original post was not politically correct, in that for some it is offensive, mainly because it isn't well worded i think.

My original thought was that we are so zealous for our beliefs and comfortable with pointing out that someone is on their way to hell for not believing like we do, yet trying to bring our weight under control, which is a major health concern, isn't given the same consideration as other areas where we miss the mark, i.e., pride, lying, drinking, ect.

But on second thought when I realize that I have hurt peoples feelings, I would honestly rather just apologize and chalk it up to insensitivity on my part, not malice.

So, if Admin wishes to just delete the thread as it's un productive, please feel free to do so.

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It is not the thread, Amanah. It is just that people don't like to be called out when they are offending people. None of us do.

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People get overwhelmed in life and do not know of a way out. Some of these women you are referring to do get caught up in looking for a man to help them out, and just end up with losers. To compare them and their children with animals is not right. You will not be banned to stop you from posting.

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BMI is not the only thing, it's also % of body fat. Some of those bodybuilders may have a BMI of 30, which says they are obese.

:doggyrun

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that's true % of bodyfat is a much better indicator, but for people who are not body builders, BMI is a good place to start.

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One of the reasons this is on my mind is that i recently went to the doctor, and i have a BMI of 23.3; she asked me to lose weight and get my BMI down to 22 for optimal health.
To tell the truth, I was surprized that she wasn't pleased with me being where I am. But it's a matter of statistics: what weight for my height gives me the best chance of longevity. Doctors are numbers/statistics nerds.

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I do think it is a valid issue to address. I just think the focus should be on eating healthy and exercising rather than a specific weight or BMI. There are fat people who eat much less and eat healthier foods than skinny people. To say someone is a glutton just because they are fat is not always accurate. On the other hand, I think it is fairly hypocritical of a very obese preacher to be ranting and raving about what a sin other excesses are, when he is not keeping his body under submission. I think a pastor should lead by example, eat healthy, not eat out all the time, and exercise, and let others know that he considers a healthy lifestyle important.

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bottom line is anyone is overweight is guilty of overeating at some point in your life to gain weight. I am well over my legal limit for BMI.. don't know what it is exactly, and quiet honestly don't care at the moment. I ate because of depression for years, and still do sometimes. Sin just as any other sin... we all have sin in our lives, none is perfect. My vice? nah, I don't smoke or but I do drink... pepsi or sweet tea is my drug of choice if I am nervous... the other day I was stressed out at work... I text my daughter to bring me a pepsi, I was nervous...she text back "have you prayed about it". *sigh*

I am scheduled for lap band surgery in late Nov... currently my insurance is requiring me to diet supervised by my doctor for a six month period to see effort on my part before paying for it. So far I am down about 20lbs... but I am not giving it all I could, I get distracted. I don't have any health issues...except I find myself getting older and on rainy days, my joints ache. I am not on any meds... but do have a bottle of Adipex in my purse that I keep forgetting to take as appetite suppressant.

While it is true many people over weight have health issues, not everyone does... seriously, I really am tired of hearing that from people. I have a $3,500 deductible on my health Insurance, and my 21 yo daughter who weighs a whopping 135lbs at 5'5, met my deductible in one ER visit in January, then turned around w/a cancer scare in Feb, she has made it worth every dime I've paid for my insurance. I signed up for WLS, because I won't ever meet my deduct again... haven't ever before...so I am going for it. I'm looking forward to being thin again in a year or so and getting rid of the outward proof that I struggle w/nerves and depression from time to time. lol

I will agree with the clothing statement...nothing keeps you focused on what you are eating more than the fact you can wake up some mornings, put on your pants and think "what did I do, gain 5 lbs this week?" uggg there is no hiding weight in pants, there is no mercy.