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deacon blues 08-17-2011 05:14 AM

Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friends
 
Did you see it? What do you think?

JamDat 08-17-2011 05:37 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
The reason they've been on a media tour is because of the National Geographic show tonight.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...-5547/Overview

MomOfADramaQn 08-17-2011 06:48 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
It's cute but if I were them I would not have gone any further than youtube.

Hoovie 08-17-2011 07:01 AM

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Disturbing.

Cindy 08-17-2011 07:03 AM

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Didn't see it.

TGBTG 08-17-2011 07:11 AM

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I concur with Hoovie...

canam 08-17-2011 07:13 AM

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No desire to see it ,Pathetic !!

bethola 08-17-2011 07:39 AM

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Oh my! I bet they interview Marjoe Gortner? is it?...AGAIN!

RandyWayne 08-17-2011 08:15 AM

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So they are STILL trotting this kid out as some sort of child prodigy preacher?


Yeesh!

ForeverBlessed 08-17-2011 08:27 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Started watching it and couldn't finish... preaching is far more than a microphone and screaming pet phrases.

Things like this annoys me and we wonder why so many people will not take Christians seriously. The child was just parroting and mimicking what he has seen all his life. I question the intelligence of the adults who would want to parade a child around like that.

well, I guess you all know how I feel. LOL

Truthseeker 08-17-2011 08:27 AM

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Wow. He's just acting out what he has seen or think preachers should do just like some adult preachers do.

Dagwood 08-17-2011 08:31 AM

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Just by the picture, he's already been trained in the choreography department. I, too, agree with Hoovie.

At 4 years old, he went from toddler to an adult (*snap*) just like that. Absolutely no reason for this; clearly, it's parental/family pressure at its finest...

Timmy 08-17-2011 08:34 AM

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In the words of the bowl of petunias in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, while plummeting to its demise from high above the ground, having been a missile a moment earlier (transformed by the infinite improbability drive, which may not be fictional after all, I'm starting to think), "Oh no, not again."

MomOfADramaQn 08-17-2011 08:42 AM

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I watched a clip of what is supposed to be on National Geo channel tonight and the other kid they are talking about is a 12 yr old that claims to have supernatural powers to heal people - WOW - I would NOT want my child put in the same category as someone like that - I am afraid this is going to make the family look really bad. I do believe God can use children, but this seems to me to be just "cute" and nothing else.

RandyWayne 08-17-2011 08:43 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed (Post 1090082)
Started watching it and couldn't finish... preaching is far more than a microphone and screaming pet phrases.

Things like this annoys me and we wonder why so many people will not take Christians seriously. The child was just parroting and mimicking what he has seen all his life. I question the intelligence of the adults who would want to parade a child around like that.

well, I guess you all know how I feel. LOL

It it?

deacon blues 08-17-2011 08:51 AM

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To me it embodies the performance nature of Pentecostalism. Many of these things called "moves of God" are nothing more than learned behaviors when the preacher says it a certain way, or the music plays a certain style or people get together the "have church". The Youtube video has adults cheering and shouting in a playful manner encouraging the little boy (then 21 months) going "ya-ya-ya-ya" in a micorphone saying absolutely nothing. You think a toddler isn't going to eat up a crowd cheering him and giving him affirmation for his performance? It does not encourage faith, trust or knowing Jesus. All it does is send the message to kids that performance equals a relationship with God. And for many that is all they have as they grow up: a series of emotional experiences from Sunday to Sunday, youth service to youth service, youth camp to youth camp, etc. All the while not being established in the Word, discipleship, true opportunities to serve, to experience missions and living out their faith. Its all about the church service and having a move of God.

MomOfADramaQn 08-17-2011 08:53 AM

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Guess those people in MS will never learn when it comes to people wanting to film them for TV - first thing that came to my mind was when they filmed BORAT at the camp meeting. This child's grandfather is the UPCI MS District Superintendant

Timmy 08-17-2011 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn (Post 1090093)
Guess those people in MS will never learn when it comes to people wanting to film them for TV - first thing that came to my mind was when they filmed BORAT at the camp meeting. This child's grandfather is the UPCI MS District Superintendant

Ah. Makes perfect sense. ;)

Timmy 08-17-2011 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1090034)
Did you see it? What do you think?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...57690#44157690

RandyWayne 08-17-2011 09:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1090099)

I couldn't watch more than a minute of that. I mean, the kid is cute and all, but what the adults (whom I am embarrassed for -maybe that is why I can't watch) are doing to him is terrible.

n david 08-17-2011 09:53 AM

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On one hand, I'd say this is nothing different than a child emulating a parent and wanting to be what the parent is. Like if the father was a police officer and his son started dressing in blues and wearing a play badge and gun acting like his dad.

The difference here is there's no way the kid would be on ride-alongs, making arrests with daddy and pulling people over.

I'm not bothered by the boy wanting to be a preacher and emulating his father and grandfather. I am bothered that they would put him behind the pulpit when he is a boy and doesn't have the capacity to understand the full responsibility of delivering a message. He's a 4 year old boy. Let him be a 4 year old boy. He can wear a suit and tie and yell in a mic later on. For goodness sake, let him play at the park, swing, go down slides and be a kid.

Dagwood 08-17-2011 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1090105)
On one hand, I'd say this is nothing different than a child emulating a parent and wanting to be what the parent is. Like if the father was a police officer and his son started dressing in blues and wearing a play badge and gun acting like his dad.

The difference here is there's no way the kid would be on ride-alongs, making arrests with daddy and pulling people over.

I'm not bothered by the boy wanting to be a preacher and emulating his father and grandfather. I am bothered that they would put him behind the pulpit when he is a boy and doesn't have the capacity to understand the full responsibility of delivering a message. He's a 4 year old boy. Let him be a 4 year old boy. He can wear a suit and tie and yell in a mic later on. For goodness sake, let him play at the park, swing, go down slides and be a kid.

:thumbsup

deltaguitar 08-17-2011 11:09 AM

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The child is the grandson of the Mississippi District superintendent, Donald Tipton. He pastors in Grenada, Mississippi.

Good folks over all. I went to college with one of his sons.

I think they just did something to be cute and it kind of got out of hand. I don't think that they actually believe the child is preaching but maybe they do.

MomOfADramaQn 08-17-2011 11:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 1090140)
The child is the grandson of the Mississippi District superintendent, Donald Tipton. He pastors in Grenada, Mississippi.

Good folks over all. I went to college with one of his sons.

I think they just did something to be cute and it kind of got out of hand. I don't think that they actually believe the child is preaching but maybe they do.



Yeah - I have known the family a while too - they are really good people and I am sure they let him to things like play in the park, etc. I would think they are smarter than to think he is actually preaching but he needs to quit using words like its a "phenomenon" - because it really isn't :)

Cindy 08-17-2011 11:14 AM

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So he's not a licensed minister? Can he read, write sermons?

Aquila 08-17-2011 11:18 AM

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What also troubles me is the response of the congregation. They are actually falling into the standard emotional experience associated with what they feel is real preaching. This is why such subjective emotionalism can be so dangerous. If a four year old's mimmicking can provoke such a response, so would a false preacher. In most churches I know, they would stand there thinking, "Awwww, how cute!" But I fear some are actually taking this for a move and act of God.

LadyRev 08-17-2011 11:21 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed (Post 1090082)
Started watching it and couldn't finish... preaching is far more than a microphone and screaming pet phrases.

Things like this annoys me and we wonder why so many people will not take Christians seriously. The child was just parroting and mimicking what he has seen all his life. I question the intelligence of the adults who would want to parade a child around like that.

well, I guess you all know how I feel. LOL


I agree with you.

Pressing-On 08-17-2011 11:23 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed (Post 1090082)
Started watching it and couldn't finish... preaching is far more than a microphone and screaming pet phrases.

Things like this annoys me and we wonder why so many people will not take Christians seriously. The child was just parroting and mimicking what he has seen all his life. I question the intelligence of the adults who would want to parade a child around like that.

well, I guess you all know how I feel. LOL

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Timmy 08-17-2011 11:48 AM

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Come on, doesn't anybody think God may be using this child? Is the anointing only for grown-ups? Really?

:winkgrin

Apprehended 08-17-2011 11:56 AM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1090057)
Disturbing.

I agree. It's also embarrassing and very unwise.

To train that child to do that and afterward heap up such adulation upon him and his parents because of it is akin to what parents do to these little three or four year old girls in making them models.

It is unhealthy and can do nothing but destroy that child when he is older. Anyone here remember Marjo? After the movie, he talked about these perils.

Pressing-On 08-17-2011 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1090159)
Come on, doesn't anybody think God may be using this child? Is the anointing only for grown-ups? Really?

:winkgrin

A larger percentage is learned behaviour, IMO. I wouldn't let my son carry on that way and give him his special pulpit. It's like a god. We all pull ourselves up by our boot straps the same way. This boy isn't going to come around any other way than anyone else has. It's sackcloth and ashes and not the glory road.

ForeverBlessed 08-17-2011 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1090092)
To me it embodies the performance nature of Pentecostalism. Many of these things called "moves of God" are nothing more than learned behaviors when the preacher says it a certain way, or the music plays a certain style or people get together the "have church". The Youtube video has adults cheering and shouting in a playful manner encouraging the little boy (then 21 months) going "ya-ya-ya-ya" in a micorphone saying absolutely nothing. You think a toddler isn't going to eat up a crowd cheering him and giving him affirmation for his performance? It does not encourage faith, trust or knowing Jesus. All it does is send the message to kids that performance equals a relationship with God. And for many that is all they have as they grow up: a series of emotional experiences from Sunday to Sunday, youth service to youth service, youth camp to youth camp, etc. All the while not being established in the Word, discipleship, true opportunities to serve, to experience missions and living out their faith. Its all about the church service and having a move of God.

amen, amen and amen

Timmy 08-17-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1090167)
A larger percentage is learned behaviour, IMO. I wouldn't let my son carry on that way and give him his special pulpit. It's like a god. We all pull ourselves up by our boot straps the same way. This boy isn't going to come around any other way than anyone else has. It's sackcloth and ashes and not the glory road.

So, you don't think God would call a child to be a preacher, while he is still little? (I don't either! :lol)

Pressing-On 08-17-2011 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1090187)
So, you don't think God would call a child to be a preacher, while he is still little? (I don't either! :lol)

I'm not exactly saying that. The Lord knows us when we are formed in the womb. I just don't think the child is old enough to understand the responsibility. And I suppose I am judging his parents motives here and I probably shouldn't be doing that either. :heeheehee

RandyWayne 08-17-2011 12:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1090190)
I'm not exactly saying that. The Lord knows us when we are formed in the womb. I just don't think the child is old enough to understand the responsibility. And I suppose I am judging his parents motives here and I probably shouldn't be doing that either. :heeheehee

Based on how the church crowd is reacting to him I am pretty sure the parents have been/being to led to believe he is a child preaching prodigy.

Pressing-On 08-17-2011 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1090192)
Based on how the church crowd is reacting to him I am pretty sure the parents have been/being to led to believe he is a child preaching prodigy.

Well, if he has set a pattern for mimicing his father it probably is something I would hesitate to stop. I wouldn't want to discourage him or make him think there is something wrong with that, but I would try to be wise and not let him take it too far. You would have to take each antic one at a time. Building him a pulpit is taking it too far, for me. But, like I said, I am judging their motives and I probably shouldn't. I'm not there, don't know what anyone is feeling being present.

ForeverBlessed 08-17-2011 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1090192)
Based on how the church crowd is reacting to him I am pretty sure the parents have been/being to led to believe he is a child preaching prodigy.

Wonder why they feel he should be more special than John the Baptist, and even Jesus...who was called to preach the gospel..adults..not children...ordained by God.

Cindy 08-17-2011 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed (Post 1090197)
Wonder why they feel he should be more special than John the Baptist, and even Jesus...who was called to preach the gospel..adults..not children...ordained by God.

Amen

Timmy 08-17-2011 01:16 PM

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Buncha skeptics.

:heeheehee

Pressing-On 08-17-2011 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1090202)
Buncha skeptics.

:heeheehee

Is that a nice way of actually saying "critics"? And I know you are not acting surprised. :heeheehee


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