Is it acceptable to "lay out a fleece" before God
 

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putting out a fleece is biblical, i have done this on several occasions. God has answered both times. So dont let some one beat you with the faith stick on this.

I have personaly set a fleece out in prayer and asked for another person to answer that for me.

i usually gave it aweek and took it out of my hands so i could not effect the answer.

i basically kept it to one question, would be my suggestion

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Someone said, "The Teacher is silent while the test is being given". Could it be that is
why you are not getting an answer!

Hugs,

Falla39

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it is not biblical. it shows a lack of faith.

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Your church is big enough to help you, no?

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Bella - I don't have the answers but I will be praying for you, Divorce is never an easy process. It is always painfull and heartbreaking. God has promised to supply our needs and he will. He has promised that he will never leave the righteous forsaken or his seed begging for bread. Sometimes it looks like the answer isn't coming. Sometimes we feel abandoned like Job. Sometimes life brings so much heartache suffering and pain that we wonder if God even remembers our addresss. But I assure you that he does know and he cares.

Romans 8
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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When Jesus had finished the work his Father had sent him to do, he sat down, on the right hand of God, expecting, until.....!

I remember the teacher assigning homework, using a book which we read and she taught some more. Then the day came for the test. She/He would sit down, and no one was allowed to talk. You couldn't "copy" from someone else. You should have listened, studied, and learned. Now that it was time for the test, you could not ask the teacher anything. Neither could you ask anyone else anything. No time to ask for answers now. If you had not learned the answers from the lessons given earlier, all you could do was wait. If you didn not pass the test, you were given more assignments, another chance, another test.

When you apply for a driver's license, you will be given a test. There is a handbook that has been prepared for those desiring to get a drivers license. If you read, study and prepare, it is very possible you will pass the test. If you don't pass the test, you can have another chance at passing. Some do not believe or know that there is a second chance if you failed. But another chance, a second chance never sounds so good, as to the one who needs it. I believe in the God of mercy, love and grace.

As children, we do not always do things right. But as we grow and mature, we see the importance of striving to do right and take things more seriously. We've all been young and immature and sometimes foolish, but our loving Father lovingly forgives us and perhaps says,"Let's try it again! You'll do better this time"! Just pay more attention this time and the test will be easy.
Bella's post brought back memories of school days. While this is not necessarily directed at her, there are principles involved that we could all learn from. There are times in life that we are given instructions, maybe in Bible study, or even in things not related to church. But when we learn to listen, study, obey and when the time of testing, we are confident of the answers and we pass the test easily... this time.

Falla39

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Maybe the Lord wants to meet your need through His people. Maybe the real test is restoring confidence in His people.

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Sister Bella,
It is wonderful that you are waiting on God and not man to supply your need. He can and He will. If you have full confidence in Jesus, He will never let you down. I don't think you lack faith. I think you have faith or you would not be approaching Jesus for help or answers. Hang in there divorce is horrible and unless someone has been through it they do not understand. Praying for you. Jesus can supply your needs as He fed the Prophet Elijah. He can use any one and any circumstance to supply it. Hang in there and keep trusting Jesus. lv you.

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What's really sad is that your husband can't help support his son.

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Dear Bella,
May our Loving Lord God help you through this time, in Jesus Name.

Falla

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exactly what i told you about bella.

yet we read where gideon put out a fleece, again you can put out in a fleece in faith, ignore post like this

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It's very sad. I can't believe the AG stopped the insurance payments until you go to court - you'd think he'd leave things as is until you went to court.

God's faithful.

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if she wants to kill a lamb... more power to her...

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your a wounded worshiper, one of the most hurtfull things is when it comes from your own. the bad part is when we bottle up and let know one in.


Your in the starting phase of depression sister, and i know how bad that can be. Praise works wonders for this, Continue to pray but dont stop to seek.


there is a story about a man. He was Caught in a great storm. the area was beginning to flood. He prayed God rescue me.

Soon one of his family members pulled up said get into the car its started to flood we need to get out of here. The man replied NO, God will rescue me.

Finally the water was is his house, about 4 feet deep. a man came by in a row boat, hurry man getinto the BoaT!! . The man said NO SIR! God will rescue me.

finally the man was forced to crawl onto his roof, and a helicopter came by. Grab the rope, said the voice from the helicopter, but the man said GO AWAY GOD WILL SAVE ME.

eventually the man died, drowned in the current. He stood before God and said Lord why didnt you come and save me? God said i came to you 3 times, the car, the boat, and the helicopter, but you refused my help.


Remember God uses those around you to help you, it may never be like what you had pictured, but non the less God works through His Children.

God Bless

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obvious you never put one out on your own. and he put out a fleece, he didnt sloughter a lamb

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I probably understand where you are coming from here more than most. God has taken care of me my whole life, but I only see His hand in extreme hindsight. The ever present "Footsteps" poster is really true although a bit deceiving in that it makes it look like God vanishes and hardships last days and weeks, when in fact they usually last years and decades. I see exactly what God was doing and saving me from during my 20's and early 30's.

Also, He helped me through some very suicidal times during my teen years when I was dealing with a very conservative church and horrible days in school. He never took away my depression..... but just gave me the strength to deal with it on most days. I can even see WHY he did this now (most of the time) because it is part of what makes up my personality. I've used this quote many times when talking on this subject, but as Captain James Kirk once said "I need my pain", when given the opportunity to have it removed.

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don't need to

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Sister don't give up. Jesus will supply the need. It may just be that you need to put some fasting and prayer and warfare behind that because the enemy is hindering.

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that doesnt mean others cant.....

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Something that's difficult for me to understand as well is God's timing. It's so hard to wait. In my experience, I usually don't see or understand the "why" until afterward and when I look back, I see he had his hand on everything the entire time. In every instance he handled the situations much better than I would have thought of. (His ways truly are far above our ways). Every experience he's brought me through has been a learning experience for me.

Whatever you do, don't quit trusting God. Man disappoints...God doesn't. Look to God, not man, and put your complete trust in him.

I truly believe that God will not put more on you than you can bear. He will test you but he won't break you.

May God's peace and blessings be with you!

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The fleece that Gideon put out was in making sure that what he had heard was truly from the Lord. This is what it looks like:

1) You receive a word from the Lord.
2) You have doubts. Did I really hear from God or was it wishful thinking? I'll put it to the test (fleece.)
3) I'll test it one more time(fleece). Judges 6

Did you receive a word/promise from God? Are you having doubts that you really heard from God? Put out a fleece.

God allows his children to go through hard trials of their faith. We don't always understand them but God allows them in his faithfulness and love to us. Yes, God lovingly allows us to go through fiery trials for a variety of reasons which we have to evaluate. Are we in sin? Are we being corrected? Are we like Paul in danger of being lifted up by pride and need a thorn in the flesh? Are we in a time of pruning? a time of being in the valley? What can we learn about ourselves from this trial? What do we know about God that we can firmly hold onto? etc..

We are in a local family of God for a reason. Trials should bring us closer together in love and in prayer and helping one another. Why not open up and ask for prayer? You will be in my prayers all this week. I'll be expecting God to talk to you, comfort you, and strengthen you.

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This is very good advice since the bible does teach us the importance of fellowship... "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." Acts 2:42

The entire book of Ephesians talks about the importance of unity and how the church is the body of Christ. In the human body, even the slightest bit of resistance creates disunity. Every part of the body must be connected to the body to live. If we disconnect from the body, we disconnect from the blood and will die. We must be connected to God and to each other. When you choose to separate yourself from the body of Christ, you separate from him.

Isolation from the family of God is not healthy for us as christians. We need each other.

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Separation and isolation are two of the enemy's tactics. No one is an island to himself. Even a banana wouldn't get peeled if it stayed with the bunch.

If the enemy can get us seperated and isolated from our brothers and sisters in Christ, we have no one to help us fight him. If he can get us isolated from those who truly love us, we cannot hear their words of prayer and encouragement. You will know the ones who really care. They will have love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, meekness, goodness, patience,
faith, temperance. The enemy will fill our minds with negatism, etc., self pity, a critical spirit, lack of confidence in others, especially those who care about us the most. We will become weak, without someone to encourage us. The Body of Christ cannot function properly without other members. That's why the wolf wants to get that little sheep away from the flock. But we are not ignorant of his devices, are we!:highfive

Falla39

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Bella with all due respect why are you wanting to control God's hands in how He responds, by saying you don't want friends and the church to be blessed by helping you?

This reminds me of the man on the roof top praying for God to rescue him. When a boat came by he waved him on because he wanted God to rescue him, then he sent a helicopter and he waved him on because he wanted God to rescue him, and he sent another boat and again he refused. When he drowned he asked God why he didn't answer his prayer. God said I sent two boats and a helicopter and you refused all the help I sent.

We need to let God be God and help you the way He chosed to do so. It is a blessing to help others and God blesses those that do.

Also, in regards to the fleece I think you should do only ONE at a time. Otherwise, you won't know which question is being answered.

JMO

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I agree with you Bella.

If it's a God thing, then HE will talk to those around you to supply whatever you need. You don't have to tell them what's going on for God to use them.

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Hi Bella,
I read your plea very early this morning.
I prayed then and will continue to
pray for you. I'm sure God has a plan
in all of this. I see no harm at all to
lay out a fleece before Him and see what
He will do! :)

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How about going to see a counselor or a Christian counselor? At least someone to talk to about your problems. If you have trust issues, they are bound by law to keep it private, unless you are harming children or some other major criminal activity. Prayer is good, but talking to a real live person is great to get feedback. Isolation can be deadly, don't get too isolated. Hope things work out for you.

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How exactly does one lay out a fleece, these days? Same way as in the Bible, or something else?

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