Are you an OP?
 

what i really want to do is make a poll, seeing how many OPs vs non OPs we have on the forum, but I can't figure out how to do it

So, therefore I would like this post deleted, and for someone to tell me how to make a poll.

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Just to comment, I'm a TP, not an OP. When you get the poll going I'll do it.

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Yep, I'm an older person. :heeheehee

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:heeheehee

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Amanah, if you want to start a poll, you start a new thread. Then, below where it says 'submit post' and 'preview post' it'll say additional options. Towards the bottom of that box, is a check box to include a poll with your post. It'll let you select how many poll options yo want, and I assume, allow you to fill them in with your choices.

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As for the OP question....I can't answer that to your satisfaction. lol

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nevermind, can someone just delete this. I feel tht anyone Apostolic is so badly outnumbered on this forum that all they will get is ridiculed

please delete this thread, someone who is admin

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So is your question about OP or about Apostolics? They're not the same thing.

I'm not admin, so I can't delete the thread. :D Sorry.

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why do you feel that? usually many of the Op dont post alot in the debate forums, that is where you see the difference, but we all where apostolic at one point in time

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I believe in the Oneness doctrine. I believe in the Pentecostal experience.

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I took a poll a while back asking do you believe Jesus is the God the Father. Of those on the forum who answered the majority said Jesus is NOT God the Father.

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The reason people dont post much except in the Fellowship Hall is they know most everything down in this section is not going to be noticed.

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An Online Personality? Ya, I suppose so.....

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i seriously doubt you are declared the spokes person for everyone that doesnt post in the debate section

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Except for the Godhead section I probably wont start a thread down here any more.

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Amanah, I added the poll for you. I hope it works for you.

When you get ready to "submit" a new thread scroll on down. It should give you the option of posting a poll.

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Also, If you would like, I will move this thread to the fellowship hall, where it would get more traffic.

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thank you for making the poll, please move it to the fellowship hall.

thanks again Hoovie :)

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Monotheism is the belief in one God, not the worship of one of the gods... I'm more oneness than the oneness pentecostals who still believe in two gods...

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:blink

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Although I voted in the poll that I am a Oneness Pentecostal it is also true I don't consider that my identity. I consider myself a Christian. Being a Oneness Pentecostal is just part of that.

As anybody on here that follows my posts know I do not believe that trinitarians are polytheistic. I believe the differences in trinitarianism and Oneness doctrine are pretty minor and not a question of salvation.

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I believe in the necessity of Acts 2:38 new birth experience. I also belive in the necessity of the revelation of the Mighty God in Christ. Jesus said that if we dont believe that he is "I Am" we shall die in our sins. I find it very hard to believe that ANYONE could deny that Jesus is the Almighty God, and the Everlasting Father! Not trying to speak with condemnation, but this site is simply a poor reprensentative of Apostolic Christianity.

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I am Oneness Pentecostal.

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I believe in one God (not a trinity)
And I believe in the Pentecostal experience.

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thank you all for responding, I appreciate it :)

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ditto

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I am not a Oneness Pentecostal, by their definition anyway.

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I was raised a one-God, apostolic, tongue-talking, holy ghost, born again believer in the liberating power of Jesus name Oneness Pentecostal and was until I was 27.

One by one the beliefs fell until I no longer have any beliefs that I would consider connected to the OP faith.

First, I stopped believing in the standards but still kept them out of respect.
Second, I stopped believing in the Acts 2:38/John 3:5 water and spirit new birth. I just didn't see it in scripture but I was still pentecostal because of all I had seen growing up.

Then I left the UPC during a horrible church split. Once leaving I realized I no longer had to believe the things that were taught to me growing up that I knew weren't in scripture.

I remained a pentecostal for probably six months to a year after leaving the UPC. It was during this time that I started to reject the initial evidence doctrine and finally realized I had lied to myself the whole time and had never received that experience myself. This was actually the most liberating doctrine that I let go of. I then had a lot of anger towards what I had been raised to do and seek after and all that anxiety and confusion I had been put through really got on my nerves.

Finally, the oneness doctrine was the last to fall. It wasn't so hard but because of my upbringing I didn't understand the trinity. It has been a long journey and I have been a trinitaritan for about two years now.

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Delta,
Interesting journey, isn't it?
I believe in one God, always have. I went through a period of time that I actually asked the Holy Spirit to forgive me for neglecting to evoke Him in prayer. Then I realized that He is God. Same happened concerning my prayers to the Father, when I began to pray more evoking Christ and calling on His name; I felt guilty not praying to the Father as much as to His Son Jesus, since the Father, is obviously God.
There is a name for God that can be applied to both the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jehoshuah, Yeshua, Jehovah-savior. In our vernacular it's just "Jesus". I have never felt badly about praying to Jesus Christ, and when I use the name of Jesus in prayer, I can mentally differentiate the attribute, whether His loving Fathering of me, His abiding empowerment, or His forgiving attitude.
The problem I have in labeling God as Trinity and/or Oneness is it categorizes Him into preconceived notions (or boxes) of who He is. We wind up having to "unpack" those ideas and 'splainin' what we mean by the definition of the word, trinity or oneness. I feel they are semantic differences.
Since I believe that the NAME of Jesus evokes all three, I guess you could say I'm oneness, but according to my understanding of scripture, and not a pidgeon-holed one-size-fits-all from the manual UPC definition.

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really awesome way to put it

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Fortunately, Jesus instructed us how to pray.

Pray to the Father in heaven in Jesus Name.

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Are you OP?

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I do believe that I am beginning to see it the way you do. I don't think trinitarians even know what it means to be trinitarian.

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I am a Oneness Pentecostal, baptized in Jesus' name, filled with the Holy Ghost, evidenced with speaking in tongues.

I was raised Catholic.

My Mom and I were invited to a CoG when I was about 11, and God filled me with the Holy Ghost, and I spoke in tongues.

I was invited to church by a street preacher when I was 15, and was baptized in Jesus name by Pastor Joel Velie at the Pentecostal Lighthouse in Melbourne Florida.

When I was 27 I was invited to Attend Bible Truth Church in Melbourne Florida, and Pastor P.T. McClure preached on the Oneness of God and I saw it. That Church has now become Promiseland Church, and I still visit it. http://promiseland.org/about/

More often these days I attend the First Pentecostal Church of Palm Bay, Pastored by Bro David Myers http://www.fpcpalmbay.com/welcome.html

Re: Are you an OP?
 

I'm obviously missing something here;

what is the difference between being OP, and being Oneness and Pentecostal?

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All you who voted "NO" need to be banned! :D And all you who voted "I don't call myself an OP" need to grow a backbone :D

That is all!

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I believe God is One not Three and that He was incarnate as the man Jesus Christ

I believe the baptism of the Spirit, the experience of Pentecost, is still available for today.

that makes me Oneness Pentecostal

Re: Are you an OP?
 

Heres my guess. I said I am Oneness and I am Pentecostal rather than Oneness Pentecostal. That is my way of joining myself to the doctrine of Oneness, which I consider is that Jesus is both Father and Son. Also the Pentecostal experience that tongues follows the Holy Ghost baptism.

It was also subtly my way of distancing myself from the standards code which says its a sin for man to wear beards and for women to trim their hair.

I think most Oneness have fallen away from Oneness because of this. They discover they were taught wrong on it. Then they assume they were taught wrong on other things and slowly question so heavily they lose their faith.

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and I believe that oneness people very often don't understand what that means either. Both sides are more often saying the same thing than they say opposites. Sometimes (Heaven knows I'm gonna take flak for saying this) I am convinced that SOME oneness people only say they are oneness because they enjoy the notoriety of being "different" or "set apart", when really they are not either one. They say it because it makes them feel special.

So how do I vote on this? I don't know. I don't know that I want to say that I am OP since I am really not anymore. But neither am I what some consider to be trinitarian. I believe what MOST trinitarians believe. Which is the same as what MOST oneness folks believe. (using the example of the egg. Or the example of a person who is both a father to his children, a son to his parents and a husband to his wife). Both groups use those exact same explanations. I've heard it from both!