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Praxeas 05-15-2007 06:39 PM

Great Christian Leaders
 
Who would you consider to be a great Christian leader, past and present, both in and OUT of the Oneness Pentecostal classification and what are your reasons.

Hoovie 05-15-2007 06:52 PM

Menno Simmons A former Catholic priest who joined the Anabaptist movement in 1525 for his insistence on a believers baptism - even at the peril of his own life.
A true humanitarian pacifist he wrote;
"True evangelical faith cannot lie dormant. It clothes the naked, it feeds the hungry, it comforts the sorrowful, it shelters the destitute, it serves those that harm it, it binds up that which is wounded, it has become all things to all people."

TalkLady 05-15-2007 07:11 PM

Jesus Christ is the only one that comes to mind right now!!!...LOL

Felicity 05-15-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 114335)
Who would you consider to be a great Christian leader, past and present, both in and OUT of the Oneness Pentecostal classification and what are your reasons.

Billy Graham.

SDG 05-15-2007 07:22 PM

Mother Theresa ... by example

Scott Hutchinson 05-15-2007 07:31 PM

Some may not like this answer but Anthony Mangun strikes me as a Pastor with great leadership skills.

Praxeas 05-15-2007 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 114365)
Billy Graham.

Why?

Scott Hutchinson 05-15-2007 07:34 PM

Here's one that I strongly disagree with with in doctrine.
Pastor James Lee Beall ,who used to pastor the Bethesda Missionary Temple in Detroit ,Michigan.I read a book on pastoring by him and that man had some great insight on Sheperding-Pastoring.

CC1 05-15-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 114383)
Here's one that I strongly disagree with with in doctrine.
Pastor James Lee Beall ,who used to pastor the Bethesda Missionary Temple in Detroit ,Michigan.I read a book on pastoring by him and that man had some great insight on Sheperding-Pastoring.

Did you know that he baptized in Jesus Name?

Felicity 05-15-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 114379)
Why?

Why? You even need to ask why? :)

Felicity 05-15-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 114378)
Some may not like this answer but Anthony Mangun strikes me as a Pastor with great leadership skills.

But Anthony Mangun hasn't affected the world like some Christian leaders have. He's a good pastor - true.

Scott Hutchinson 05-15-2007 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 114396)
Did you know that he baptized in Jesus Name?

Yes I did know that ,and seriously those folks had some great ideas on church govt.
I understand there is book that there is a book that is pretty good out written by a Patrica Gruits who was apart of that group.

JamDat 05-15-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 114426)
But Anthony Mangun hasn't affected the world like some Christian leaders have. He's a good pastor - true.

I'd be willing to bet that Anthony Mangun has given plenty to missions and affected the world in ways that we'll never know until we see the fruit over yonder.

CC1 05-15-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 114439)
Yes I did know that ,and seriously those folks had some great ideas on church govt.
I understand there is book that there is a book that is pretty good out written by a Patrica Gruits who was apart of that group.

You are probably referrring to "Understanding God and His Covenants". Many churches use it as a cachetism for teaching new converts. It is a course at Christ Church. I was not terribly impressed with the book myself. In my opinion it had as many leaps of logic in it as I complain about in Old Time Oneness Pentecostal literature, doctrine, and sermons.

About thirty years ago I bought two James Beal books that I thought were very good. I wish I could find them and read them again. One was about shepherding and probably the one you are referring to. He spoke once at the World Of Penteost around 1990 and I thought he was great. Some people found him boring bcause he was not an animated speaker but it was great.

Scott Hutchinson 05-15-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 114476)
You are probably referrring to "Understanding God and His Covenants". Many churches use it as a cachetism for teaching new converts. It is a course at Christ Church. I was not terribly impressed with the book myself. In my opinion it had as many leaps of logic in it as I complain about in Old Time Oneness Pentecostal literature, doctrine, and sermons.

About thirty years ago I bought two James Beal books that I thought were very good. I wish I could find them and read them again. One was about shepherding and probably the one you are referring to. He spoke once at the World Of Penteost around 1990 and I thought he was great. Some people found him boring bcause he was not an animated speaker but it was great.

Yes I read the sheperding book.I read a borrowed copy.

tv1a 05-15-2007 08:54 PM

AM has been handcuffed by the political system to make the maximum impact he is capable of making.

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 114426)
But Anthony Mangun hasn't affected the world like some Christian leaders have. He's a good pastor - true.


Whole Hearted 05-15-2007 09:10 PM

Verbal Bean

Praxeas 05-15-2007 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 114421)
Why? You even need to ask why? :)

That was what I asked in the initial post. who and why, what was it about them. Not everyone is said here to be a Great Christian leader for the same reasons....

Praxeas 05-15-2007 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted (Post 114602)
Verbal Bean

Why?

chaotic_resolve 05-15-2007 10:32 PM

The NE District Superintendent for leading a mighty Jewish Revival . . . the end result we truly may NEVER see!

:heeheehee

:largehalo :haloplug

Michael The Disciple 05-15-2007 10:49 PM

I went to visit Pastor Beall's Church in Detroit back in the 70's. He not only taught baptism in Jesus name but taught Acts 2:38 was the plan of salvation. However he was a Trinitarian. Was not to impressed with the Church but he did have a few truths.

crakjak 05-16-2007 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 114571)
AM has been handcuffed by the political system to make the maximum impact he is capable of making.

His life is not told yet!

crakjak 05-16-2007 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 114365)
Billy Graham.

Agreed. Particularly his integrity in spite of his renown.

Praxeas 05-16-2007 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 114813)
I went to visit Pastor Beall's Church in Detroit back in the 70's. He not only taught baptism in Jesus name but taught Acts 2:38 was the plan of salvation. However he was a Trinitarian. Was not to impressed with the Church but he did have a few truths.

Was he a Church of Christ? Did he believe in tongues and gifts?

Coonskinner 05-16-2007 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 114571)
AM has been handcuffed by the political system to make the maximum impact he is capable of making.


I'm not picking a fight, Troy, I am just curious as to what you mean.

How has the system handcuffed him?

berkeley 05-16-2007 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 114942)
I'm not picking a fight, Troy, I am just curious as to what you mean.

How has the system handcuffed him?

The bylaws (sp)... lol

Sister Alvear 05-16-2007 06:43 AM

There have been many great men and women. Pastor Richard Wurmbrand and his sweet wife Sabrina were examples of the purest christian love. I traveled with them years ago in Brazil as their translator and was so amazed at their stories and all they suffered.

They were not oneness but I hope I stand far from them on judgment day...Here is something I copied.

(Richard Wurmbrand,who was imprisoned and tortured by Communist authorities in his native Romania for fourteen years. While still in prison, Pastor Wurmbrand envisioned a ministry that would focus on the plight of the Persecuted Church, raise a voice on their behalf, and provide encouragement and assistance to them. The story of Richard Wurmbrand and his burden for persecuted Christians around the world is recounted in his many books, most notably in the bestseller Tortured for Christ.)

His wife, Sabrina was also in prisoned and wrote a book about her experiences.

In the oneness movement there have been many great men that have impacted my life also. Later today if time permits I will mention some of them.

My husband is a great leader...and a true christian. I am sure all of us are influenced by many type leaders. Different people speak to different hearts.

Digging4Truth 05-16-2007 07:11 AM

William Eason. None of you know him. He isn't a national figure. He is barely a local figure. But he taught me how to study the word of God for myself and how to have a personal relationship with my God.

Scott Hutchinson 05-16-2007 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 114921)
Was he a Church of Christ? Did he believe in tongues and gifts?

No he wasn't Church Of Christ ,he taught the initial evidence doctrine I wish he would have been oneness.

Felicity 05-16-2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 114916)
Agreed. Particularly his integrity in spite of his renown.

Exactly. There are many leaders/pastors/preachers in the apostolic movement who initially came to Christ under Billy Graham's preaching.

The man's reputation is sterling far as I know. He was a powerful preacher and had major influence on many men the world over - presidents, kings, prime ministers and effected a multitude of lives for Christ.

I believe God raised him up as a man of God and a mighty evangelist in and for his generation.

Brother Strange 05-16-2007 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 114813)
I went to visit Pastor Beall's Church in Detroit back in the 70's. He not only taught baptism in Jesus name but taught Acts 2:38 was the plan of salvation. However he was a Trinitarian. Was not to impressed with the Church but he did have a few truths.

If only you could have visited the church when Mother Beall was the Pastor in the late 1940s. It would have been an unforgettable experience.

OGIA 05-16-2007 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 115083)
I believe God raised him up as a man of God and a mighty evangelist in and for his generation.

Do you believe he is saved? :hmmm

Scott Hutchinson 05-16-2007 08:41 AM

An Elder that strikes me as a great leader was Elder DL.Welch.

crakjak 05-16-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 115125)
Do you believe he is saved? :hmmm

I do. When we see Jesus He will complete what is lacking in us. "....when we see Him, we will be like Him...." I know I have lack in many areas, I trust in the finished work of my Lord and Savior, I have no trust in my own goodness. So, Billy Graham in my opinion has less lack than I, just different lack. Praise God, we are complete in Him.

ReformedDave 05-16-2007 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 115231)
I do.

My biggest problem with him is the premise, even if unspoken, that profession equals possession.

I believe he is a man of integrity.

Brother Strange 05-16-2007 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 115130)
An Elder that strikes me as a great leader was Elder DL.Welch.

He is the only man that I ever knew that would not think of wearing anything else than a business suit and a tie, regardless of the occasion or his destination. He is the only man that I ever knew that would go fishing in a complete business suit and a tie...including deepsea fishing.

Yes, he was a great leader.

crakjak 05-16-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 115245)
My biggest problem with him is the premise, even if unspoken, that profession equals possession.

I believe he is a man of integrity.

I understand, please see my edited version.

OGIA 05-16-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 115231)
I do. When we see Jesus He will complete what is lacking in us.

So, after Billy G dies, the Lord will baptize him and fill him with the Holy Ghost? :hmmm

Felicity 05-16-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 115125)
Do you believe he is saved? :hmmm

Only God knows? ;)

Sheltiedad 05-16-2007 10:58 AM

Would a reasonable number of people outside the Oneness Pentecostal culture need to have heard of them for them to make the list?


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