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yea. what is wrong with this country is that some folk are tired of letting liberals run roughshod over us and telling us it is immoral to put down people who rape and murder innocents.

Yea citizen. That is what is wrong with America.

and NO The Republican Candidates are not "very bad".

This is where i go on a rant about some group of sorry no good rotten idiots telling conservatives how screwed up our morals are while that idiot supports the murder of innocent babies.

but I shall refrain.... for now...

care to continue your diatribe?

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how do i make a countdown? I want to countdown till my half marathon . . .

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Go to User CP
On the left hand side you will see a catagory "Settings and Options"
Under "Settings and Options" click on "Edit Options"

Scroll to the bottom.
Count down is there.

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Ferd,

You don't attempt to justify this statement and the sentiments associated with this statement, do you?



Is there any conservative who really agrees with this line of thinking?



I think that people say somethings and do somethings when they are part of a group that one-on-one they would do or say.

Mob mentality-- our politics is rife with it!

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As a group, probably not all are Christians.

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[QUOTE=Ferd;1097289]yea. what is wrong with this country is that some folk are tired of letting liberals run roughshod over us and telling us it is immoral to put down people who rape and murder innocents. QUOTE]

Why would the 'said' young man thats laying in a coma be a rapist or a murder? Maybe he's a born again Christian.
And stay focused on the mean and heartless republicans who cheered at letting the man die.

They cheered for it and now they must own it.
Now you must own it because you are backing their calousness. What do they teach where you go to church? I bet they teach that doctors are here to heal. And I bet they teach Jesus would love for his people to get help from physicians. But do they teach that only some people should get treatment?

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Jermyn it is a pile of junk and I wont be sucked in by it!

Mr Obama told a lady her 100 year old mother should "take vicodin" instead of getting a pacemaker for her heart and nary a word about that guy being uncaring.

So I am not going to conceed that there is even the slightest bit of vality in the suggest made here.

NONE.

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[QUOTE=Ferd;1097289]yea. what is wrong with this country is that some folk are tired of letting liberals run roughshod over us and telling us it is immoral to put down people who rape and murder innocents. QUOTE]
I dont "own" a blessed thing. YOU know what I meant.

it is a worthless point. It has about as much bearing on who should be president as the taste of acorns in spain.

Did you get upset about the Christian Obama telling the lady her mom needed to take vicodin instead of getting a pacemaker???????

DID YOU????

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Ferd, stay focused on the sad and scarey tea party folk that cheered to let a young man die who does not have health insurance. Stay forcused on your own soul to take up for their vileness. Yikes! These folk are not speaking for real christians.
Of what mindset are they?

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1) says who? Did you just make this up or did you get this from someplace? Do they have proof of ANYTHING you just posted?

2) let's say audience members (no number given so it could be a small fraction) did say "yeah"? Maybe they were saying "Yeah" like "yeah we want to know the answer to that too"?

3) How do you know those people in the audience were really tea party members?

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Why don't one of you verify it? You realize anyone can come here and post any lie they want or exaggerate what happened without proof and clearly you'd accept it as true

It was a question by Wolf Blitzer, supposedly and no answer was posted by citizen. You realize don't you?

Where you there? Did you see it happen? How many did it? How do we know they were not really liberals trying to make them look bad?

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It's funny that everyone assumes this was true and not exaggerated and that it was really Tea Party members that did it and that if they did that group represents all conservatives....yet not one shred of evidence it even happened

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1) If you choose to not have the insurance to cover your stupid-ness, then do not REQUIRE me to pay for your bad decisions.
2) The bible teaches Charity out of the goodness. Liberals like to make OTHERS be charitable.
3) Would you choose to spend 1 million dollars to save the 1 idiot that chose not to have insurance, or spend that 1 million to vaccinate ever child in the state of South Dakota with the potential to save 200k children from death? Would you rather pay for the 1 idiot that chose not to get insurance, then reduce ever elderlies cost of medical and Elderly Care Home bill? That is the decision that needs to be made.

That is what it has come down to. You can not control the size of the pie, just the amount of the people eating it. I choose to let the 1 idiot die (or relay on charitable organizations) and cover those elderly and children.

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:thumbsup

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And still for some reason everyone assumes this was a true account...odd

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I believe this is what is being talked about on this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9fk7NpgIU

This is some of the spin going around on this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jevl2dY8oRI

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I think this is an important question. Do we just, "Let him die?"

Ron Paul suggests churches, friends, and family help pay for his expenses. Is that reasonable? Could churches really pay for the care of millions of uninsured Americans? Don't get me wrong, I wish they could. But most churches I know are struggling to survive on their current budget. I know that my family couldn't afford to pay for his care. It would financially wipe us out.

I don't see churches throughout the nation forming health insurance cooperatives (at least not in my neck of the woods). I do think it would be an interesting idea that rings of a more conservative and distributist philosophy.

But we need to focus on reality...

I'm not out to criticize a given philosophy of politics. But I do think this is an important question.

In the year 2011, a 33 year old man in good health chooses to opt out of health insurance because he can barely afford to pay bills and have health insurance. Then something terrible happens and he needs 6 months to a year of intensive care. Do we just let him die? If not, who pays for it?

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in Florida, everyone who drives has to have car insurance, or you can get your license suspended.

If you are buying a home, the bank forces you to have Home owners Ins, or the bank insures your home and bills you.

Maybe we should make it so everyone has to buy health insurance, and if you don't you are billed for it by the State. If you don't pay it, the state can take it from your income tax, or put a lien on your property, or garnish your wages.

Maybe it would be cheaper then everyone having their hospital costs jacked up to pay for the people who have to resort to the emergency room for health care.

By the time they get to the Emergency Room, they are full blown AIDs instead of treatable HIV, or they have terminal cancer, instead of just needing surgery and chemo, or they are blind and need their legs amputated instead of just needing insulin. And the costs are more in the long run then if we treated people up front.

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Ding, ding ding, ding, ding!!!!!

We have a winner here folks!!!!

Get some proof!!!! :happydance

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A single mother of three is working hard to provide for her family and cannot afford the health insurance. She suddenly comes down with a terrible disease that requires much care. Now, due to circumstances out of her control, she faces the government coming in and taking it from her income tax, putting a lien on her property, or garnishing her wages. I'm not sure if that's socially just. In a sense, that empowers government far more than a national health insurance program would.

The way I see it... in our current national situation the cost of the uninsured will almost always be passed on to those with insurance. When people can't pay the bill... the health care providers have to write it up as a loss and that is passed down to the consumer through higher health care costs. As health care costs rise, insurance premiums have to rise to meet the cost. As health insurance premiums rise... more people opt out of having health insurance. And the cycle repeats itself.

Using the logic you proposed, it would be much cleaner if the government formed a national health insurance program and required everyone to pay into it. This would also relieve businesses from the need to provide employees with health insurance. Business would be free to simply... do business.

But that would be very expensive. The government has to cut costs. I'd much rather see the government work on forming a national health insurance program than spending untold Trillions on foreign aid to foreign countries and unnecessary wars. We are not the world's police. If memory serves me correctly the United States and Canada both had legislation aimed at national health care systems... but WWI broke out and the American legislation was sidelined to fund the war... while Canada moved forward.

But then... that would be socialism. The problem is... this is 2011. The cost of the uninsured will ultimately be passed down to the insured. We need a way to insure that everyone pays into the system and the burden of the uninsured doesn't drive up our premiums until we too are found unable to pay for our health insurance. With my current understanding, this is the only way to do it without having to deny care or penalize those who are uninsured should they find themselves in need of care. It's a reality I DON'T like. But nonetheless, it's reality.

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I'm trying to find the video on the net.
We'll see how it goes.
But, to move the conversation along, in the above situation is it moral to take someone else's money, in order to provide treatment?
If you deem that it is moral, than you are actually arguing that every individual is entitled to be provided with the very best medical care possible, without regard to expense.
Since we know that this is not possible, than you actually want to level the field and provide a lower standard of care for some and a higher standard of care for others.
So, we would wind up with a government commission determining what the level of care should be.
This is the agenda of those who prompted the question to be asked.
And this is why those who are against this agenda are not happy.

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Found it.

http://vodpod.com/watch/15402764-gop...ed-patient-die

Sounds like there are about 3-4 people that say "yeah".
Amazing how you and others want to tar an entire movement with this.
It speaks volumes about your "Christianity".
And believe it or not, there are plenty of Tea Party members that are totally non-religious.
Desperation from the left.
Ridiculous.

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The car insurance analogy is not applicable to healthcare.
Car insurance is required by the STATE government and is based on the fact that you can do harm to others or others property, due to driving a car.
On the other hand, I do believe that if a State Government required everyone to purchase health insurance than this would be constitutional.
But not the Federal Government.

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Incorrect. It is unconstitutional for any government (city/county/state/federal) to require you to pay a fee to insure yourself. You only have to insure (or bond) yourself for damage done to others.

The government can not tax you for being a citizen. Essentially that is what a Force Nationalized Health Care (IE Hillary Care) would be. You can only be taxed on transactions ie transfer of money.

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As Sam Kinison said in Back to School, ".....good answer...."

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I am taking up for no one. I am stating clearly and with great focus that this is a stupid question.

It is a political witch hunt and I am not biting.

The people who would go on this witch hunt have for a hero one who is actually worse!

On the one hand, you have with might be a few individuals that no one knows who have no real impact on policy making some noise.

on the other hand you have a PRESIDENT WHO TELLS PEOPLE THEIR ELDERLY LOVED ONES NEED TO JUST GO DIE.

and the group that might (might as we really dont know who these people are) include some number of noise makers are the ones vilified by you and others who suppor the wacked out president who wants old people to DIE.

My focus is clear and you arent going to Saul Alinsky conservatives on this forum without being called out.

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:jaw

:bolt

:thumbsup

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I don't think it's desperation from the left. I think it's seriously a concern. Why would ANYONE say "yeah"?

Also, the question wasn't truly answered. He tap danced around it.

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1. No one knows who these people were that said yeah
2. No one knows if they are Tea Party Members
3. No one know if they are "Christians"

My point is that there was a lot of assumptions made to get to that point.

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right!

and at the same time we know who this person is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJYvaLS-xOw

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I saw that...I heard 1 person go "Yeah"...and we don't even know if he was a Tea Party member. The audience was not just tea party members.

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It's not reasonable. Health costs are skyrocketing and some poor Joe Schmoo with a small handful of friends is up the creek without a paddle

Unless your friends or church is full of rich, giving people, you are in trouble

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And how do we know they were saying "yeah" as an infirmative to the question and not rather "Yeah, that's what I want to know too"...and did any stand up after and go "and I'm a Christian too"?

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We dont know if it was teapartiers shouting/clapping for the idea of 'letting the young uninsured fellow die'. It could have been liberal plants - but I doubt it.
But the spirit throughout audience (teaparty sponsored debate) seemed to be lacking something. It was spooky. :muwahaha

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Seems pretty clear to me some thought Ron Paul was ripping it to shreds by getting to the bottom of it all. That is why the people said "Yeah!". It was like throwing raw meat to a Libertarian Bloodhound.

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Assuming that the person was a Tea Party member, there are extremists in every group. That person DOESN'T speak for the entire group. No doubt, some folk sitting next to him strongly disagreed. The Tea Party is a varied group that believes strongly in individual liberties. One is the liberty to be as extreme as you wish (though such a one will not get far politically).

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Very true. But how do we resolve this? It's REALLY a difficult issue.

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Obviously there is no proof they were "Christian".

I get the feeling that the person was being extreme. But they could have meant they wanted to know too.

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Seems like all of this somehow relates to the old parable of the grasshopper and the ants.