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deacon blues 09-22-2011 05:36 PM

GOP Debate Tonight
 
Post your opinions of the debate tonight on Fox at 9 EST

Rose 09-22-2011 07:37 PM

Re: GOP Debate Tonight
 
I like Newt's responses even though the audience keeps booing him.

deacon blues 09-22-2011 07:58 PM

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Got home late and missed first 30 minutes.

deacon blues 09-22-2011 07:59 PM

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Did Newt get booed? For what?

deacon blues 09-22-2011 08:25 PM

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I like Herman Cain. I think America would do really well under his leadership. I really can't stand the feeling I get with polished politicians like Perry and Romney. These 2nd tier candidates I think would be less beholden to special interests. I'd rather see Cain or Bachmann or Gingrich or Santorum go up against BO rather than Perry of Romney.

deacon blues 09-22-2011 08:48 PM

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Gov Gary Johnson wins with the best line of the night: "My neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than Barak Obama."

canam 09-22-2011 08:55 PM

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Love it! Cain is right the EPA needs to go they are killing business in this country.And they are out of control.

Hoovie 09-22-2011 09:12 PM

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Perry needs to practice debating it looks like.

A good night for Romney.

Pressing-On 09-22-2011 09:18 PM

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Well, I ended up being able to view the debate tonight.

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1099760)
Did Newt get booed? For what?

I didn't recall him being booed.

It was weird as there seemed to be a lot of clapping for various answers and then the booing would come in later. It was as though they remembered they might want to boo. LOL!

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1099769)
I like Herman Cain. I think America would do really well under his leadership. I really can't stand the feeling I get with polished politicians like Perry and Romney. These 2nd tier candidates I think would be less beholden to special interests. I'd rather see Cain or Bachmann or Gingrich or Santorum go up against BO rather than Perry of Romney.

I agree. I didn't like Perry or Romney tonight. Perry didn't appear to strengthen himself. Although, people were more satisfied with the HPV answer this go round. But, like Bush, he is much better and more personable in person than in a debate. Perry was totally lambasted, hammered, hit on the illegal immigration issue.

Romney stayed the same. He didn't do anything for himself tonight. Not impressed with him at all.

I thought Bachmann looked better, but she won't move up in the polls.

Gingrich is always brilliant. If he could only operate like he debates, it would be great.

It seemed as though people really liked Cain tonight.

Paul gave good answers. He does know the history behind so much going on in the functioning of the government and the results thereof.

Santorum's answer on DADT was spot on. It was a perfect response.

Everyone else was a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1099770)
Gov Gary Johnson wins with the best line of the night: "My neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than Barak Obama."

That was totally awesome.

Pressing-On 09-22-2011 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1099773)
Perry needs to practice debating it looks like.

A good night for Romney.

As far as looking more presidential, yes, Romney did do that. But, I still wasn't happy with him tonight. He makes you feel as though nothing in the Republican Party will change if he gets the nomination. JMO.

Jason B 09-22-2011 10:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1099769)
I like Herman Cain. I think America would do really well under his leadership. I really can't stand the feeling I get with polished politicians like Perry and Romney. These 2nd tier candidates I think would be less beholden to special interests. I'd rather see Cain or Bachmann or Gingrich or Santorum go up against BO rather than Perry of Romney.

Racist!













:heeheehee
Sorry, just wanted to play the Democrat for a moment. We all know if someone dislikes Obama it is because of his race, whether or not you would vote for Herman Cain is inconseqential to you being a racist. :bigbaby

canam 09-23-2011 03:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1099775)
As far as looking more presidential, yes, Romney did do that. But, I still wasn't happy with him tonight. He makes you feel as though nothing in the Republican Party will change if he gets the nomination. JMO.

:thumbsup

Dagwood 09-23-2011 04:46 AM

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From what I was able to watch (from about 9 pm CT after)...

Romney was my least-favorite, hands-down. It's as if his sole purpose was to spew attacks on Perry, among others...

Perry wasn't far behind Romney in my overall impression, not that I wouldn't still consider voting for him. I think he faired well considering the blunt-force trauma coming from Romney...

Bachmann said more of the same her competitors said, nothing she said really got my attention.

Johnson's response about his neighbor's dogs was hilarious. Oh, wait -- who's that Johnson dude? (Being sarcastic)

Santorum, I can't say much, at least right now. Nothing really caught my attention.

Cain caught my attention a little more than he has before. I liked his demeanor

Gingrich said some things that caught my attention too, and I'd consider voting for him since his experience and knowledge are rather impressive to me.

Paul seemed to get quite a bit more applause and support than what the news media would even dare come close to revealing. He made sense in his responses and seemed, by his demeanor, to be the only one there actually taking the debate/questions serious (never mind the whole gameshow statements toward the end).

I laughed many times, in a good sense, because of some of the things that were said. Other times, I shook my head because it's the same broken record being stated from 8 different perspectives. Bottom line, they all don't like Obama's policies and said he needs to go. I agree...

We've got 14 months 'til election, plenty of time to stay tuned and form a better opinioin of who would be best suited...

Amanah 09-23-2011 05:46 AM

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I fell asleep so didn't watch it, but my husband says Cain rocked it.

Timmy 09-23-2011 06:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1099739)
Post your opinions of the debate tonight on Fox at 9 EST

:bored

scotty 09-23-2011 08:14 AM

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I would give anything for Perry to get serious. It's like watching my two oldest daughters, one gets in trouble and points to something the other did, then the other points out something the first one did, etc,etc.

I would love to see a candidate take the sarcastic slaps then simply respond in elegance with true policy and opinion without trying to slap a one liner back. The results would be the sarcastic one looking really immature by the end of the night.

I want to see somebody take the high road and get down to business.

Pressing-On 09-23-2011 08:48 AM

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WOW, after the debate and this morning, InTrade has Perry at 29.1% chance of getting the nomination. He has always, relatively, been in the high 30's.

Romney is at 41.8%. He has fluctuated between the high and low 30's off and on, mainly the lower 30's.

Not a good night for Perry. People really wanted to stand behind him, but the illegal immigration issue really hurt him last night.

Pressing-On 09-23-2011 09:15 AM

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I am hearing that this is Perry's strategy.

"Rick Perry is pursuing a risky strategy, one radically different from other Republican candidates. Those "other candidates" are pursuing a "NOMINATION STRATEGY," where they go so far to the right that they win the nomination -- but also offend a significant MAJORITY of American voters. Then, in the general election they spend most of their time essentially saying, "I didn't mean a thing I said in the Primary!"

It's a General Election Strategy. That is, he's not running against Romney; he's running against Barack Obama. He and the advisors he trusts believe the traditional "veer right, lurch left" approach won't work anymore. The GES might conceivably cost Rick the nomination, but it's the only approach that could end up making him our next president."

Pressing-On 09-23-2011 09:21 AM

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Here is what Perry was talking about on Romney's flip-flopping. This was in Massachusetts, though. :heeheehee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJU...yer_embedded#!

Pressing-On 09-23-2011 06:33 PM

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We will see if Ann Coulter has been right all along.

Quote:

Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is reconsidering his decision not to enter the 2012 presidential race — and he says he will let top Republican donors know within days about his plans, Newsmax has learned.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Chri...9/23/id/412133

Pressing-On 09-24-2011 08:16 AM

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FERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so ticked!!!!


How in the world does this make sense? In Plyler v. Doe, the US Supreme Court rules that illegals cannot be discriminated against and must be educated K-12, but Perry and the Legislature are not supposed to allow these people to further their education?
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"Revisions to education laws in Texas in 1975 withheld state funds for educating children who had not been legally admitted to the United States and authorized local school districts to deny enrollment to such students. A 5-to-4 majority of the Supreme Court found that this policy was in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, as illegal immigrant children are people "in any ordinary sense of the term", and therefore had protection from discrimination unless a substantial state interest could be shown to justify it."

Texas officials had argued that illegal immigrants were not "within the jurisdiction" of the state and could thus not claim protections under the Fourteenth Amendment. The court majority rejected this claim, finding instead that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

Esther 09-24-2011 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1100209)
FERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so ticked!!!!


How in the world does this make sense? In Plyler v. Doe, the US Supreme Court rules that illegals cannot be discriminated against and must be educated K-12, but Perry and the Legislature are not supposed to allow these people to further their education?

This makes NO sense. How can you say someone that is here illegally has the same rights of someone here legally? I mean why not let the bank robber go, he may need the money to feed his family????

Same logic!

Pressing-On 09-24-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1100214)
This makes NO sense. How can you say someone that is here illegally has the same rights of someone here legally? I mean why not let the bank robber go, he may need the money to feed his family????

Same logic!

That is true. But, I am coming from the perspective of the Federal Government hamstringing the states.

In other words, Perry is getting pounded for the in-state tuition when the US Supreme Court has ruled that we cannot discriminate against them in the public school system.

So, the Texas Legislature voted 184 with 4 dissenting votes, that they should be allowed in-state tuition (furthering their education), with requirements attached, i.e., working toward their citizenship, etc.

We are not allowed to override the Federal Government's authority on border control, but Perry is seen as soft on immigration. That is simply not the case.

deacon blues 09-27-2011 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1099899)
It's a General Election Strategy. That is, he's not running against Romney; he's running against Barack Obama. He and the advisors he trusts believe the traditional "veer right, lurch left" approach won't work anymore. The GES might conceivably cost Rick the nomination, but it's the only approach that could end up making him our next president."

Well, it will probably cost him the nomination then. All you gotta do is win the nomination. This president is so not going to get reelected Lady Gaga could run against him and win.

canam 09-27-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1100936)
Well, it will probably cost him the nomination then. All you gotta do is win the nomination. This president is so not going to get reelected Lady Gaga could run against him and win.

:thumbsup

Pressing-On 09-27-2011 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1100936)
Well, it will probably cost him the nomination then. All you gotta do is win the nomination. This president is so not going to get reelected Lady Gaga could run against him and win.

Regardless of what straw polls were won, Perry is still leading in the national polls. So, I wouldn't quite count him out yet.

I wanted to edit this post to include this article from the highly respected, Thomas Sowell:
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Superman vs. Warm Body

The current outbreak of "gotcha" attacks on Texas Governor Rick Perry show one of the other pitfalls for those who are trying to pick a national leader. The three big sound-bite issues used against him during the TV "debates" have involved Social Security, immigration and a vaccine against cervical cancer.

Where these three issues have been discussed at length, whether in a few media accounts or in Governor Perry's own more extended discussions in an interview on Sean Hannity's program, his position was far more reasonable than it appeared to be in either his opponents' sound bites or even in his own abbreviated accounts during the limited time available in the TV "debate" format.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma...n_vs_warm_body

deacon blues 09-27-2011 08:32 AM

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If Christie runs all bets are off. He will annihilate the GOP field in debates and with his confident, no holds barred leadership. I don't want to simply see BO get defeated, I want a great leader to emerge and help usher a recovery to our nation economically and restore American confidence. We also need a leader who isn't led by his handlers and by the lobbyists. Christie strikes me as that kind of leader.

Pressing-On 09-27-2011 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1100958)
If Christie runs all bets are off. He will annihilate the GOP field in debates and with his confident, no holds barred leadership. I don't want to simply see BO get defeated, I want a great leader to emerge and help usher a recovery to our nation economically and restore American confidence. We also need a leader who isn't led by his handlers and by the lobbyists. Christie strikes me as that kind of leader.

If looking deeper and finding that he has less than a stellar conservative record, it's going to hurt him.

But, we shall see, possibly, after his speech at the Reagan Library next Tuesday what he plans to do.

Any candidate running against Obama, I will vote for. I will hold my nose if it is Romney and be unhappy about it, but getting Obama out is paramount.

Dagwood 09-27-2011 09:11 AM

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I'm kinda liking the sound of Gingrich/Cain 2012. Gingrich is so well-known and knowledgeable. Cain would be getting his feet even wetter as the VP since he has a relatively small political resume, but it would expose him to the playing field and allow him to pursue the top role eventually.

But, we'll see. I'm still keeping all of them in orbit 'til election time...

Pressing-On 09-27-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1100977)
I'm kinda liking the sound of Gingrich/Cain 2012. Gingrich is so well-known and knowledgeable. Cain would be getting his feet even wetter as the VP since he has a relatively small political resume, but it would expose him to the playing field and allow him to pursue the top role eventually.

But, we'll see. I'm still keeping all of them in orbit 'til election time...

Me too. Even though I am still strongly leaning toward Perry, I'm not 100% in the tank with him.

And this is funny. Joy Behar was asking Michael Moore if Americans would vote for a fat man, i.e. Chris Christie.

Moore replies, "Yes, because most Americans look like me." LOL!

BeenThinkin 09-27-2011 10:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1100977)
I'm kinda liking the sound of Gingrich/Cain 2012. Gingrich is so well-known and knowledgeable. Cain would be getting his feet even wetter as the VP since he has a relatively small political resume, but it would expose him to the playing field and allow him to pursue the top role eventually.

But, we'll see. I'm still keeping all of them in orbit 'til election time...


Dagwood, I agree with you! I've heard nothing from Gingrich's mouth that has turned me off. In fact to the best of my ability to comprehend, I think he has been awesome. Newt has a history of accomplishing the things he sets out to do for the good.

And by the way, would some one please clean out his closet and let us see what's in there. I can't remember what everyone's talking about..."too much baggage!" What baggage? A failed marriage that wasn't handled too good? Is that all?

Been Thinkin

canam 09-27-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1101385)
Dagwood, I agree with you! I've heard nothing from Gingrich's mouth that has turned me off. In fact to the best of my ability to comprehend, I think he has been awesome. Newt has a history of accomplishing the things he sets out to do for the good.

And by the way, would some one please clean out his closet and let us see what's in there. I can't remember what everyone's talking about..."too much baggage!" What baggage? A failed marriage that wasn't handled too good? Is that all?

Been Thinkin

Multiple affairs and a divorce served while she was in the hospital getting chemo, credit cards slammed to excess, shows lack of judgement no, we dont want same old politics Newt.

canam 09-27-2011 10:57 PM

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However, if he is running against obuuma i wil vote early and often !

BeenThinkin 09-27-2011 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by canam (Post 1101389)
Multiple affairs and a divorce served while she was in the hospital getting chemo, credit cards slammed to excess, shows lack of judgement no, we dont want same old politics Newt.


Is there proof of the affairs or is this some stories hatched up by the main stream media. Is there any accounts of him discussing these accusations? Not trying to brush them under the rug... just want to know the truth.

BT

Pressing-On 09-28-2011 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by canam (Post 1101389)
Multiple affairs and a divorce served while she was in the hospital getting chemo, credit cards slammed to excess, shows lack of judgement no, we dont want same old politics Newt.

His own daughter said that the rumor is a lie.

Pressing-On 09-28-2011 07:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1100958)
If Christie runs all bets are off. He will annihilate the GOP field in debates and with his confident, no holds barred leadership. I don't want to simply see BO get defeated, I want a great leader to emerge and help usher a recovery to our nation economically and restore American confidence. We also need a leader who isn't led by his handlers and by the lobbyists. Christie strikes me as that kind of leader.

Christie announced last night at the Reagan Library that he is not running. :thumbsup

canam 09-28-2011 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1101391)
Is there proof of the affairs or is this some stories hatched up by the main stream media. Is there any accounts of him discussing these accusations? Not trying to brush them under the rug... just want to know the truth.

BT

Ye s he has said he was wrong for those affairs blaming it on his loyalty to he country in so many words,go figure ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUq9u7tqrKw

canam 09-28-2011 08:15 AM

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He is still married to his last as far as we know, affair Callista one of his aides 23 years his junior ,hopefully he considers her young enough and pretty enough to be first lady his first wife wasnt he said.he like a specific kind of relationship in affairs ,so he could say ,i did not sleep with that woman.sound somewhat familiar?one of his aides aid we could won one election but he spent to much time in his office with the secretary.

Pressing-On 09-28-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1101456)
Christie announced last night at the Reagan Library that he is not running. :thumbsup

I really liked Christie at first, but the more I listened to him, the less I really liked him. He comes across as a bully and I don't think that is the kind of example an American leader should display. He thinks he's cute, but I'm not laughing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...t_running.html

canam 09-28-2011 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1101534)
I really liked Christie at first, but the more I listened to him, the less I really liked him. He comes across as a bully and I don't think that is the kind of example an American leader should display. He thinks he's cute, but I'm not laughing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...t_running.html

It was also posted on another thread that Passaic County in NJ has the largest muslim population and mosque in th country. And what does Christie do? appoints to a superior court judgeship a muslim from that mosque whose Imam belongs to HAMAS, NO THANK YOU, WERE TOO CLOSE TO THAT CULTURE AND MINDSET IN THE WH ALREADY !


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