Restoration of the kingdom to Israel
 

Dear Bible students,

Acts 1
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

What do you guys think of the question the disciples asked Jesus in Acts 1:6?

I know Jesus basically said "no one would know the time..." I was just wondering if there are more insights into this?

Thanks in advance, AFF

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the answer is in ch 2

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So u're saying the kingdom was restored to Israel on the day of pentecost?

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Jesus did not say anything to make them think Israel would not be restored.

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If you are ref to the kingdom of God, yes. Cometh not with observation...

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Restored to what?

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I'm sorry. I misread the title.

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Since you misread the title, I guess others can too...so I'm gonna embolden the question...

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So what do you think, MTD?

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where does the bible say that the kingdom will be restored to israel? the physical kingdom taken from the romans and given back to the jews?

Are you awaiting the coming of messiah to destroy Israel's enemies and set up a kingdom where gentile will serve the Jew? That's what the Jews are waiting for.

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Well, that's why I'm asking. The disciples seemed to have the notion that a kingdom would be restored to Israel (whether physical or spiritual, i'm not sure).

But the disciples were expecting a kingdom restoration to Israel, else why would they have asked the question in Acts 1:6?

So i'm trying to see what others think. Is it spiritual? Is it physical?

We know the kingdom was definitely taken from them as per Jesus' own words in Matt 21:43.
Matt 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So based on Jesus' statement, I guess the kingdom taken from Israel was a spiritual kingdom. So does this mean the spiritual kingdom will someday be restored Israel? (the disciples seem to be expecting such restoration based on Acts 1:6)

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I have never looked at it like that. Things that make you go, hmm. If it does happen I don't see it taking place the way that the darbyites believe. EVEN Mike Blume somewot makes room for that possibility when he says, "If God returned to the Jews I have no problem with that."

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Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

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How does this pertain to Acts 1:6?

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it doesn't, unless you believe that the Jews will be receptive to the return of messiah and He is going to give them rule ovah the world.

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For me it seems they were looking for a fleshly kingdom of Jews. There missing what Jesus told them.

Those that are in Christ are that promised seed.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Are we to go back to a natural kingdom?

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The leadership of the assembly that I attend believes "God hasn't fulfilled all of His covenants with Israel." That is a direct quote from the pulpit.

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But Jesus' answer was more in the light of "the kingdom you're (the disciples) expecting will come, but don't worry about the timing...

Acts 1
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

We see that Jesus did not say the kingdom will not come, but that they just should not worry about the timing...

Anyway, this question asked by the disciples was something that puzzled me...

I think another thing also would be if we determine what/when the kingdom was taken from Israel

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Any example of an unfulfilled covenant?

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Good topic.

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Ovah dinnah wit the assistant pastor, he tells me that BECAUSE the Jews rejected Jesus, He will return for them again, and they will accept Him. He is talking about the new covenant. IDK who is going to die, it can not go into effect until the testator dies.

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Oh, my! Hard to believe some of the things that come down the pike!

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More importantly He did not say anything to make them think it will. We're not to think of everything Jesus and the apostles said WOULD NOT happen in order to figure out what will occur by process of elimination. How many variables of what He specifically did not say would happen can we think of? It is limitless! Hence, we have to more logically read what He and the apostles distinctly and explicitly said WOULD happen and stand ONLY on that, and assume nothing else will happen. We have to go by what He and the apostles preached. We do that with doctrine. Why not prophecy?

If Apostolics did with doctrine what they do with prophecy, who knows what nonsense of salvation they would come up with?

MTD, would you claim we can look at how to be saved through the perspective of saying that whatever Jesus and the apostles DID NOT specifically speak AGAINST are things we can believe for in regards to how to be saved? We're so stringent on what the apostles explicitly preached for salvation and allow for no assumption, but it's totally opposite for prophecy beliefs.