Apostolic Friends Forum

Apostolic Friends Forum (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/index.php)
-   Fellowship Hall (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You! (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=37079)

Aquila 10-11-2011 06:23 AM

God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Great article:

God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You! By Mark Maulding on August 10, 2011
The common teaching by many is that when we experience trouble in our lives, God is trying to build character into us. The premise behind this is that though we are Christians, we are incomplete and problems are God’s way of getting his character into us.

Let me say as clearly and as loudly as I can in print. That is not true because it is a gross misunderstanding of the gospel! The real gospel is that because we have Jesus Christ in us we have everything we will ever need to live the Christian life. Listen to what Peter wrote in his second letter in 1:3, “…His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness…” Do you see that? We have everything we will ever need already. Paul wrote something similar in the second chapter of his letter to the Colossians in verse 10, “…in Him you have been made complete…”. Complete is sometimes translated with the word fullness. In either case, I think the idea is the same. In Christ, we are already complete or full. If this is not enough for you, then let’s look at Hebrews 10:14, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.” The offering i.e. the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ has made us perfect/complete because we were set apart by God (sanctified) when he saved us.

How do we unpack this in an understandable way when we all know we do not live our lives with perfect character? In fact, we may think that our character is very poor because of the mistakes we make and the sins we still commit. That is why our identity in Christ is so important to understand, to believe, and to live from. While our behavior, thoughts, and motives are not perfect, our identity in Christ is perfect, complete, and full. You see, we already have in us all of the character we will ever need – Jesus!

If that is accurate and it is, then all of the remainder of our lives is an opportunity for that character to “come out of us”. Our Father is not trying to build his character into us. He is working in our lives to get it out! Yes, we have many problems, trials, and challenges in our daily life. These are all opportunities for the character He placed in us to be lived out. As we trust Jesus Christ to live through us more consistently (not perfectly) we mature in our expression of that character.

Isaiah prophesied in 61:3 that those who would believe in the Messiah would be called “oaks of righteousness”. Righteousness is the perfect character of God. When He gives us His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21), He give us His perfect character minus His deity. We don’t become little gods but we do become His children.

I have lots of oak trees around my home. I have noticed that when an acorn from one of those trees sprouts up from the dirt, it is an oak tree, not a palm tree or a pine tree. Did you know that little seedling will never be any “oakier” than it is the day it pushes up from the ground? The rest of its life, it will simply mature into what it already is, an oak tree.

We are complete in Christ having all of the character we will ever need in our identity in Christ. The remainder of our lives is one opportunity after another to mature into who we already are – sons and daughters of God!

http://www.lifetime.org/2011/08/god-...cter-into-you/

Stephanas 10-11-2011 07:26 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1104637)
Great article:

God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You! By Mark Maulding on August 10, 2011
The common teaching by many is that when we experience trouble in our lives, God is trying to build character into us. The premise behind this is that though we are Christians, we are incomplete and problems are God’s way of getting his character into us.

Let me say as clearly and as loudly as I can in print. That is not true because it is a gross misunderstanding of the gospel! The real gospel is that because we have Jesus Christ in us we have everything we will ever need to live the Christian life. Listen to what Peter wrote in his second letter in 1:3, “…His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness…” Do you see that? We have everything we will ever need already. Paul wrote something similar in the second chapter of his letter to the Colossians in verse 10, “…in Him you have been made complete…”. Complete is sometimes translated with the word fullness. In either case, I think the idea is the same. In Christ, we are already complete or full. If this is not enough for you, then let’s look at Hebrews 10:14, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.” The offering i.e. the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ has made us perfect/complete because we were set apart by God (sanctified) when he saved us.

How do we unpack this in an understandable way when we all know we do not live our lives with perfect character? In fact, we may think that our character is very poor because of the mistakes we make and the sins we still commit. That is why our identity in Christ is so important to understand, to believe, and to live from. While our behavior, thoughts, and motives are not perfect, our identity in Christ is perfect, complete, and full. You see, we already have in us all of the character we will ever need – Jesus!

If that is accurate and it is, then all of the remainder of our lives is an opportunity for that character to “come out of us”. Our Father is not trying to build his character into us. He is working in our lives to get it out! Yes, we have many problems, trials, and challenges in our daily life. These are all opportunities for the character He placed in us to be lived out. As we trust Jesus Christ to live through us more consistently (not perfectly) we mature in our expression of that character.

Isaiah prophesied in 61:3 that those who would believe in the Messiah would be called “oaks of righteousness”. Righteousness is the perfect character of God. When He gives us His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21), He give us His perfect character minus His deity. We don’t become little gods but we do become His children.

I have lots of oak trees around my home. I have noticed that when an acorn from one of those trees sprouts up from the dirt, it is an oak tree, not a palm tree or a pine tree. Did you know that little seedling will never be any “oakier” than it is the day it pushes up from the ground? The rest of its life, it will simply mature into what it already is, an oak tree.

We are complete in Christ having all of the character we will ever need in our identity in Christ. The remainder of our lives is one opportunity after another to mature into who we already are – sons and daughters of God!

http://www.lifetime.org/2011/08/god-...cter-into-you/

Sounds like a play on words to me.

How is: "to mature into who we already are – sons and daughters of God!" any different than building or developing Christian character?

Falla39 10-11-2011 07:38 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
This little song, usually sung by small children came to mind.

I am a promise
I am a possibility
I am a promise with a capital "P"
I am a great big bundle of potentiality
And I am learnin' to hear God's voice
And I am tryin' to make the right choice
I am a promise to be anything God wants me to be.

I can go anywhere that He wants me to go
I can be anything He wants me to be
I can climb the high mountains
I can cross the wide sea
I'm a great big promise you see!

I am also reminded of the Potter and the clay. The Master Potter is
the one who decides what vessel HE wants us to be. The yielding is
the clay's part.


Falla39

Aquila 10-11-2011 09:46 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephanas (Post 1104640)
Sounds like a play on words to me.

How is: "to mature into who we already are – sons and daughters of God!" any different than building or developing Christian character?

I'll answer the question with a question.

Do you believe that God wants you to be a better you?

Amanah 10-11-2011 01:45 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
isn't this saying that trials improve our character:

Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Praxeas 10-11-2011 01:50 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephanas (Post 1104640)
Sounds like a play on words to me.

How is: "to mature into who we already are – sons and daughters of God!" any different than building or developing Christian character?

Exactly.

2Co 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Sister Alvear 10-11-2011 01:52 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Well..?.

Sister Alvear 10-11-2011 01:53 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Certainly we must develop Christian character....

Aquila 10-11-2011 01:55 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1104731)
isn't this saying that trials improve our character:

Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Great point. That's one passage I was thinking about. Trials in and of themselves do not improve character. Many go through trials and melt down into having less character than before.

Aquila 10-11-2011 01:56 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1104739)
Certainly we must develop Christian character....

I think it's just a matter of perspective. I think we can all agree that WE do not develop "Christian character". We actually surrender... allowing Christ to be formed in us.

Amanah 10-11-2011 01:57 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1104743)
Great point. That's one passage I was thinking about. Trials in and of themselves do not improve character. Many go through trials and melt down into having less character than before.

with faith, trials improve our character, w/o faith, no

Aquila 10-11-2011 02:14 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1104746)
with faith, trials improve our character, w/o faith, no

Amen. Faith in who and what? lol

Praxeas 10-11-2011 02:37 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1104745)
I think it's just a matter of perspective. I think we can all agree that WE do not develop "Christian character". We actually surrender... allowing Christ to be formed in us.

But your title is not about US building character but God building charcter INTO us

Austin 10-12-2011 05:51 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
The apostle Paul stated that he died daily. He also declares that we should put on Christ. Again in another verse he states, The hope of glory Jesus in us living thorough us.
Now, if Jesus is in us, which I believe because I'm oneness, then his presence and his power and his personality, ability,purpose, will, and nature should succumb ours. That is what I believe dying out to self is. I must decrease and Jesus must increase. Actually I should have died and been resurrected by the power and presents of God when I received him. I have been made over in the newness of life and after Him[Jesus] taken on his nature which is putting on Christ. The problem is this. The mind is still after the human side of life and will not submit to the things of God. Allowing the mind of Christ to rule in my life and in yours is the big hurdle and also this is the big problem in all Christianity. This is why there is so much debate and controversy in the faith. Secular opinion based upon what we have learned or been taught.
Actually if Jesus was manisfested in our lives then we all would be one. The apostle Paul said we are complete in Him, [ Jesus ] If that is the case then we have all that we are going to get. Learning how to allow it to rule in our lives would be allowing Christ to rule and not us. Our spirit has been changed and is save against that day. It is what Jesus made it when he came into our soul and quicken it and made it like himself. He then translated it into his kingdom to be reserved against the day of judgement. Now Jesus is trying to sanctify the soul and body by bringing it into subject to the spirit" himself" that we might be the light of the earth in leading others to him and that his power and ministry might work through us to the salvation of others. He is NOT TRYING to sanctify us so we can be judged to see if we are perfect enough to go to heaven. If that were the issue the large majority will not make it.

Aquila 10-12-2011 07:20 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1104912)
The apostle Paul stated that he died daily. He also declares that we should put on Christ. Again in another verse he states, The hope of glory Jesus in us living thorough us.
Now, if Jesus is in us, which I believe because I'm oneness, then his presence and his power and his personality, ability,purpose, will, and nature should succumb ours. That is what I believe dying out to self is. I must decrease and Jesus must increase. Actually I should have died and been resurrected by the power and presents of God when I received him. I have been made over in the newness of life and after Him[Jesus] taken on his nature which is putting on Christ. The problem is this. The mind is still after the human side of life and will not submit to the things of God. Allowing the mind of Christ to rule in my life and in yours is the big hurdle and also this is the big problem in all Christianity. This is why there is so much debate and controversy in the faith. Secular opinion based upon what we have learned or been taught.
Actually if Jesus was manisfested in our lives then we all would be one. The apostle Paul said we are complete in Him, [ Jesus ] If that is the case then we have all that we are going to get. Learning how to allow it to rule in our lives would be allowing Christ to rule and not us. Our spirit has been changed and is save against that day. It is what Jesus made it when he came into our soul and quicken it and made it like himself. He then translated it into his kingdom to be reserved against the day of judgement. Now Jesus is trying to sanctify the soul and body by bringing it into subject to the spirit" himself" that we might be the light of the earth in leading others to him and that his power and ministry might work through us to the salvation of others. He is NOT TRYING to sanctify us so we can be judged to see if we are perfect enough to go to heaven. If that were the issue the large majority will not make it.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Praxeas 10-12-2011 12:07 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1104735)
Exactly.

2Co 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

bump

Austin 10-12-2011 12:19 PM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
PRAISE THE LORD1111:highfive
Where two or three are gathered, together,in my name, there am I in the mist. Thank you Jesus for your right now presence in our life here, being with us, and in us, working your perfect will through us.
I'm happy that He chose the base things, simple things, things which are despised and hated, the foolish things to confound the minds of the world, things that are nothing to bring to nothing the things that are.
Our God is always looking for a challenge in people to change them into something beautiful that is just like himself, that person whom we love and are attracted to even though we have not seen him face to face, but we see Him in the spirit and know him and are drawn to him in all that he is forever.

Pendragon 10-13-2011 12:18 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
I completely disagree with this article. It is spreading a false doctrine that can confuse new believers.

Austin 10-13-2011 11:04 AM

Re: God is NOT Trying to Build Character into You!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendragon (Post 1105173)
I completely disagree with this article. It is spreading a false doctrine that can confuse new believers.

Love your avatar:heeheehee


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:07 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.