What measure of holiness are you ?
 

So I'm writing a research paper on ..... "Research".... I know right ?

So anyway, I'm researching "Quantitive Measurement" and ran across this on a Q and A site.

Question: What is the unit of measure used to quantify holiness?

Answer: Jesus (Ye) for the US System, and for the SI unit system, the deity, (de) for those offended by the former. One Ye would equal 1/3 de. Standard prefixes would apply, thus we have the nanodeity, microdeity, millideity, kilodeity, and megadeity. Such a measurement would need to be on an asymptotic scale, like warp drive, in order to prescribe a finite number to an infinite positive. Then 777 megadeity = infinitely good = God. Billy Graham sits at about 10 megadeity. Your average pastor- around 6 Mde. The average schmo? 2-3 Mde, or about 1 MYe.
Of course, the trick to this will be separating the very good from the very twistedly evil who only appear good. This is where the reciprocal rule comes in handy.

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Does it depend on what we have on right now or how we look when we dress for Church? LOL
Seriously, (which I know it is hard to take me seriously) God is holy and we are not.
You can't get good enough to get God! God is Holy!

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We are holy because we have a imputation of The righteousness of God.

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Amen! Through the Holy Ghost. When we received the Holy Ghost the very Spirit of God became fused with our dead and lifeless human spirits allowing His very life and essence to flow through us. We are therefore unworthy partakers in His divine nature. We are, through the Holy Ghost, one with God in Christ Jesus!

As long as we allow God to flow through our very being and follow His leading we are holy. When we sin... we are acting below our nature in Christ by virtue of our union with God through the Holy Spirit. Thus we are a holy people acting unholy. Theoretically God will either irresitibly bring us to our knees in repentance through divine chastening (an act of loving mercy) or sever us from Himself (apostasy). But that's another theological debate. :)

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The Only Holiness we have is through the Blood Of Jesus Christ.

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Here's how holy I am. My righteousness is as a filthy rag in the sight of Jesus.
My spirit has been translated into his kingdom and that is total holiness.
Inside of me is the Holy Ghost who is trying his best, to bring the mind and flesh into subjection to his will that his will might be done, so, I'm not yet holy here on the earth.\

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I rest at 777 megadiety as any holiness I might possess does not come from myself... but from God.

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Personally I am at least at a 32MdE.

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I come from a long line of high holy people.

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Well keep coming from them and you'll do fine. :)

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I am sinless. That's how holy I am, for my holiness is the righteousness of Jesus Christ Himself (Romans 3:22-26).

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Now that's the truth right there. :)

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I am wearing pants and a long sleeve shirt today so you know I am holy!

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are your toes covered though?

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Does God expect his children to be worthy of him and his Kingdom?


4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 2 Thess. 1:4-5

Paul says:

11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power: 2 Thess 1:11

And again:

11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father [doth] his children,

12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory. 1 Thess 2:12

Walk worthy?

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Ephesians 4:1

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Col. 1:10

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I strive to live Holy every day by the power of the Holy Ghost through the blood of Jesus. What God would not have me do, I do not do, with the power he's given me. An ever changing progressing changing remolding, renewing, and tranformation of my mind. The Lord sure did have to work on me! He still is!

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So sorry to hear that drug abuse runs in your family!:happydance

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at 666 megadeity

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He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37

(I'm not worthy of Him, btw.)

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So, how then do we "become worthy?"

Go back to 2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 (ESV) - but with verse 3 this time:

"We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing.

Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring.

This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering--"

The Thessalonians didn't "have to do" anything to make themselves 'worthy.' They were already worthy because God Himself loved them and accounted them 'worthy.'

Also, 2 Thessalonians 1:11-12:

"To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."

That is the essence of grace. God accounts us "worthy" when we were truly worthless. He then goes on to transform us by His grace to make us into a vessel "worthy of honor" (Romans 9:21-23).

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I know that I do not have any holiness of myself, just as the moon has no light. However, I always strive to accurately reflect the holiness of God, without going through phases as the moon does. (I sometimes fear that my reflection is all too often cyclical.)

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If one is automatically worthy why did Paul pray always that they WOULD BE counted worthy?

"To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Of course the way he does it is by his power and grace. But again if theres nothing for us TO DO why would Paul waste his time always praying about it?

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The term; Counted worthy, is a term to mean, acknowledge someone, or pay attention to them because of their efforts. It means to be recognized.
It has nothing to do with salvation but rather a result of the fact that you are saved does it come forth.

To offer one a medal of recognition in the presences of their fellows.

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Can you mention some of the things we need to do?

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Holiness is a lifelong process wherein one is lovingly conformed into the very image and likeness of Jesus through the Holy Spirit. And this process doesn't end until that final stretch on one's death bed. This process is known doctrinally as "sanctification". We stand in a justified state as we are sanctified by the power of God through the Holy Spirit.

Salvation isn't about not doing this or that in order to go to Heaven.
Salvation is about being conformed into the image and likeness of Jesus through the Holy Ghost, our "oneness" with God.

Jesus being formed in us is our salvation. Not a code of conduct or dress.

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Am I worthless?

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Where does it say that?

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Are you talking about to us? Or to God? :)

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Jesus listed some things.

Love Him more than you love your family.

Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless, visit prisoners.

Paul thanked God for the Thessalonians because their faith was growing, and because they loved each other.

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Am I worthless to God?

Am I worthless to you?

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I don't believe that one is "automatically worthy," in the sense that there is not action involved from either side of the "transaction." God extends grace and then by faith, a believer extends faith in the saving power of that grace (Hebrews 11:6).

Paul's admonition that saving grace should bear fruit in the lives of the believers doesn't abrogate those conditions. Rather, he is admonishing the believers to allow the work of grace to bear its fruit so that they might not frustrate grace [Romans 6 (ESV)].

You've really answered your own question when you quoted, "To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthyof his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power..."

Paul isn't praying that the Thessalonians DO anything here. He is praying that GOD does something here. That's is, he is praying that GOD would make the Thessalonian believers worthy.

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See... now you've gone and made it all sound so serious. :)

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Isn't it?

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There you go. Thats a good start.:highfive

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The truth is our santification/holiness must be total.

Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Cor. 7:1

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I am not holy enough. My wife wont let me grow a beard.

bible says you are supposed to have one.

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What measure of holiness?

15 but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter:1-15-16

Be holy like the Father is holy. Thats the standard for each Christian.

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Stand up to her and tell her IT IS IN THE BIBLE and that AtlantaBishop has one and that makes it alright! You are SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE! AMEN!

If you just GO to a Union Church (even if it is in a house) I think it might be LEGAL if you are not actually a member or if you don't get on the platform.

Actually, I am not sure God accepts your TITHES in a Union Church if you have growing a beard in your heart! You better ask the Pastor about that - He will probably say that God accepts them - just DON"T GET ON MY PLATFORM! :heeheehee

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I am not against total sanctification. However, I believe if we have the HolySpirit, he will sanctify us. I believe, a person who is led by the Spirit will naturally do the comandments of Jesus such as loving God, loving their neighbors, witnessing to the lost...

I believe that a person DOES these things because he/she is filled with the Spirit NOT because he/she is trying to be saved.

That's why some of us here do not seem to agree with what you're saying or maybe implying.
You seem to imply that we should do things to get validated by God.
I believe we do things that are pleasing in God's eyes because he's already validated us.