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Orthodoxy 11-01-2011 11:35 AM

Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
Just found this post today on Justin Taylor's blog. I think this is a question all parents need to ask themselves.

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From Tim Kimmel’s chapter “The Freedom to Make Mistakes” in his book Grace-Based Parenting:
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Legalistic parents maintain a relationship with God through obedience to a standard. The goal of this when it comes to their children is to keep sin from getting into their home. They do their best to create an environment that controls as many of the avenues as possible that sin could use to work its way into the inner sanctum. . . . It’s as though the power to sin or not to sin was somehow connected to their personal will power and resolve. . . . These families are preoccupied with keeping sin out by putting a fence between them and the world.

The difference with grace-based families is that they don’t bother spending much time putting fences up because they know full well that sin is already present and accounted for inside their family. To these types of parents, sin is not an action or an object that penetrates their defenses; it is a preexisting condition that permeates their being. The graceless home requires kids to be good and gets angry and punishes them when they are bad. The grace-based home assumes kids will struggle with sin and helps them learn how to tap into God’s power to help them get stronger.

It’s not that grace-based homes don’t take their children’s sin seriously. Nor is it that grace-based homes circumvent consequences. It isn’t even that grace-based homes do nothing to protect their children from attacks and temptations that threaten them from the outside. They do all these things, but not for the same reasons. Grace-based homes aren’t trusting in the moral safety of their home or the spiritual environment they’ve created to empower their children to resist sin. . . . They assume that sin is an ongoing dilemma that their children must constantly contend with.

[Children in a grace-based family] are accepted as sinners who desire to become more like Christ rather than be seen as nice Christian kids trying to maintain a good moral code. Grace is committed to bringing children up from their sin; legalism puts them on a high standard and works overtime to keep them from falling down.

Grace understands that the only real solution for our children’s sin is the work of Christ on their behalf. . . . Legalism uses outside forces to help children maintain their moral walk. Their strength is based on the environment they live in. Grace, on the other hand, sees the strength of children by what is inside them—more specifically, Who is inside them.
HT: Sally Michael

See also:

Elyse Fitzpatrick and Jessica Thompson, Give Them Grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus

William P. Farley, Gospel-Powered Parenting: How the Gospel Shapes and Transforms Parenting

Amanah 11-01-2011 11:45 AM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
There has to be a balance and the child's temperament has to come into play also. I know people who are too strict and people who are too lenient both have problems with their kids.

Orthodoxy 11-01-2011 11:48 AM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1110366)
There has to be a balance and the child's temperament has to come into play also. I know people who are too strict and people who are too lenient both have problems with their kids.

Yes, but I don't think the author is advocating complete leniency here. We have to erect some fences, obviously.

It's more a matter of focusing on the child's heart as opposed to just creating rules.

RandyWayne 11-01-2011 11:49 AM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
I actually believe that within the home environment a little legalism isn't a bad thing. :)

And while there are many similarities, there are also some big differences between the God/Man relationship versus the parent/child.

commonsense 11-01-2011 11:54 AM

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My daughter is very involved in a web forum>> Gentle Christian Mothers

Dagwood 11-01-2011 12:05 PM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
Very interesting article.

I've seen both sides. Fear-based involves less-patient, over-powerful, demanding, and commanding parents, while Grace-based involves almost the exact opposite.

Considering I was raised with fear-based parents (no disrespect intended), it's been a challenging cycle to break. But, it's one that must be broken nevertheless. I think how a parent reacts to a childs action(s) play a big part in whether the child senses the onslought of fear or extending of grace...

Ferd 11-01-2011 12:05 PM

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i have not read the book. there may be more to it.


what I read leads me to believe the writer is an idiot.


my view of parenting is simple. First, whatever the boundries are, kids will break them. so the trick is to create boundries that are not so loose that crossing broundries will hurt the kid, and not so tight that the kid is stiffeled.

Standards are requied if you are going raise kids who will be adults that can compete in society.

Grace is required if you want a relationship with your kids once they are no longer living under your roof.

Ferd 11-01-2011 12:17 PM

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Rules in the Ferd house

1. Make mamma happy.
2. If you are going to be stupid you better be tuff.
3. Keep the war civil.

Dagwood 11-01-2011 12:27 PM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
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Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1110373)
Very interesting article.

I've seen both sides. Fear-based involves less-patient, over-powerful, demanding, and commanding parents, while Grace-based involves almost the exact opposite.

Considering I was raised with fear-based parents (no disrespect intended), it's been a challenging cycle to break. But, it's one that must be broken nevertheless. I think how a parent reacts to a childs action(s) play a big part in whether the child senses the onslought of fear or extending of grace...

I better clarify before someone jumps down my back. :)

The exact opposite would still allow for the parents to have the ultimate control of the child, thus the over-powerful or less-powerful wouldn't necessarily be a factor in how the child responds...

Cindy 11-01-2011 12:42 PM

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Either way parents can't stop kids from sinning. And can't keep sin out of their hearts. But, we are to teach precepts to our children, and teach them how to actually live in our everyday lives as Christians.

Ferd 11-01-2011 12:46 PM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
Another point. Far too often, when "grace" is mentioned, the following is left out.


Titus 2:11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Grace is a teacher. There is instruction. Grace is not a free pass. There is longsuffering and mercy certainly. But Grace does not simply smile when we fall short. Grace puts us to the test so that we learn and overcome.


The following best demonstrates grace by a parent. Unfortunatly for me, it was my mom.

To start with, my parents could be both very strict and at the same time allowing independence.
In highschool, I foolishly went out with some school buddies and we decided it would be a great idea to get drunk. I did. Bad move.
Now mom and dad never said a word to me about it. But the next morning mom got me up early and drug me around Dallas all day long. It was the longest day of my then short life! LOL! I had no idea what she was doing but by the end of the day, I decided there was nothing fun about drinking alcohol. Now that wasn’t my last trip around the mulberry bush but it was my last tango while under mom and dads roof!

It wasn’t until much later as an adult that we talked about that. I had no idea the point was to teach me something about it. Grace can be both merciful and harsh at the same time.

deltaguitar 11-01-2011 12:56 PM

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I have read most of the book. Our church handed it out at a parenting class.

In that chapter the author is showing the dangers of being to legalistic AND being to lenient to the point of allowing the children to make all their own decisions.

The whole point of the book is that we should focus on training the heart of the child and teaching them to make correct decisions. His main point in that chapter is that if all you have are rules you will end up with children who will find loopholes and that many christians fall into the trap of the "checklist" method of parenting.

Orthodoxy 11-01-2011 01:16 PM

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Along these same lines, here is another article that has recently been circulating around the web.

It is written specifically for homeschoolers, but applies to every Christian family regardless of educational choice.

Quote:

Exposing Major Blind Spots of Homeschoolers, by Reb Bradley

In the last couple of years, I have heard from multitudes of troubled homeschool parents around the country, a good many of whom were leaders. These parents have graduated their first batch of kids, only to discover that their children didn't turn out the way they thought they would. Many of these children were model homeschoolers while growing up, but sometime after their 18th birthday they began to reveal that they didn't hold to their parents' values.

Some of these young people grew up and left home in defiance of their parents. Others got married against their parents' wishes, and still others got involved with drugs, alcohol, and immorality. I have even heard of several exemplary young men who no longer even believe in God. My own adult children have gone through struggles I never guessed they would face.

Most of these parents remain stunned by their children's choices, because they were fully confident their approach to parenting was going to prevent any such rebellion.

After several years of examining what went wrong in our own home and in the homes of so many conscientious parents, God has opened our eyes to a number of critical blind spots common to homeschoolers and other family-minded people.
Read the rest of the article here.

Ferd 11-01-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 1110385)
I have read most of the book. Our church handed it out at a parenting class.

In that chapter the author is showing the dangers of being to legalistic AND being to lenient to the point of allowing the children to make all their own decisions.

The whole point of the book is that we should focus on training the heart of the child and teaching them to make correct decisions. His main point in that chapter is that if all you have are rules you will end up with children who will find loopholes and that many christians fall into the trap of the "checklist" method of parenting.



you have read it and I have not... so based on this, I retract my "idiot" comment.

just the part quoted seemed to be take one tact over the other... balance is the key.

Amanah 11-01-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 1110387)
Along these same lines, here is another article that has recently been circulating around the web.

It is written specifically for homeschoolers, but applies to every Christian family regardless of educational choice.



Read the rest of the article here.

I read it. It's very good, very wise.

RandyWayne 11-01-2011 02:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 1110387)
Along these same lines, here is another article that has recently been circulating around the web.

It is written specifically for homeschoolers, but applies to every Christian family regardless of educational choice.



Read the rest of the article here.

I like this quote from the article:

Quote:

A friend of mine, a homeschool mom, just passed away of cancer. In the week before she died, I asked her if she had any regrets in her life. She told me she wished she had baked less bread - she said if she had it to do over again she would buy bread and spend more time with her children. She had invested time and energy in pursuing the "path" because she thought it was part of the spiritual homeschool package.

RandyWayne 11-01-2011 02:12 PM

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It's actually a very good article.

Orthodoxy 11-01-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1110398)
It's actually a very good article.

Yeah, it's one of the best family articles I've read in a while.

*AQuietPlace* 11-01-2011 04:23 PM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
The author's not an idiot, the book is fantastic. Was a life-changing book for me.

Uncle Joe 11-07-2011 07:19 AM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
I feel it is safest to err on the side of grace. Fear-based parenting only creates a wedge between parent and child, souring the relationship. Plus, how we deal with others may be how we get dealt with at the Judgment.

This isn't to say there shouldn't be rules and enforcement of those rules, though.

crakjak 11-07-2011 07:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 1110387)
Along these same lines, here is another article that has recently been circulating around the web.

It is written specifically for homeschoolers, but applies to every Christian family regardless of educational choice.



Read the rest of the article here.

Much wisdom in this article.

crakjak 11-07-2011 08:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Joe (Post 1111676)
I feel it is safest to err on the side of grace. Fear-based parenting only creates a wedge between parent and child. Plus, how we deal with others may be how we get dealt with at the Judgment.

This isn't to say there shouldn't be rules and enforcement of those rules, though.

You GO, Uncle Joe.

Nitehawk013 11-07-2011 09:56 AM

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Why is it either/or?

One cannot have grace and fear both in raising a child? a child should know that there is grace for failures, and even for some level of disobediance, but a good healthy level of fear is healthy too. They should know that if they cross some lines or act in outright rebellion or challenge authority they will be meat hard and heavy with correction. They should fear the consequences of horrible behavior.

AreYouReady? 11-07-2011 10:04 AM

Re: Grace-Based or Fear-Based Parenting?
 
Which brings us back to what Amanah says...balance...or moderation in the family.

I too was raised in a fear-based family. We got punished if we "forgot" to do something we were told to do the day before. In fact, I remember the punishment more than I can remember being hugged and told by my father that he loved me. Usually the punishment was far more severe than the "crime" we committed.

It is soooo important for the men to be loving fathers and the head of the family. The men set the ground rules of the home and balance them with love and strength through Christ, imho. The women make the home and add that loving, nurturing touch through Christ.

And Cindy is right. Parents can't stop kids from sinning. We can guide them and tell them they are only hurting themselves if the go against what the Word of God teaches us. My oldest son is one who is hard-headed and has to learn the hard way. But..he doesn't do the same thing twice after he learns the hard way. Basically, he is a good kid.

I also found that kids still need our advice after they grow up. But it's one of those things that we better not say anything until they ask.


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