"Water witching" ESP and other supernautral occurances
 

On another thread CoonMiester was discussing Water witching

Did you feel it was of evil origin? Do you think there are supernatural laws that if applied (without the help of familiar spirits) would work for those that don't have the Spirit of God in them?

I've heard much about remote viewing and there are those that would tell you they can teach you how (but I did hear them mention familiars or spirit guides) so that sounds as if it would be evil spirits.

Edgar Casey was supposed to be able to travel out of his body and tell those that were sick what the cause and cure was. I've never heard Jesus mentioned when he is discussed.

I've had prophetic inclinations since I was a young child.

I have had too and I wasn't always sure what to do with it.

I have heard of astral projection or out of the body experiences. Could this be what Paul was talking about?

I wish I could tap into it. They both come and go.

I'm not sure exactly what he is referring to as "Water witching" but I used to work on a golf course and we used to use rods to find buried wires & pipelines.

We would use Brazing Rods from the shop and bend them about 6 inches from the end to create a portion to hold lightly in your hand.

You just walk forward and when you cross a pipeline or a buried wire the long portion would cross and close between the hands.

Nothing "witchy" about it. It is a natural phenomenon.

I could probably grab 2 coat hangers and go out in the yard and find the water line now.

Try it and come back and report to us.......:nod

..and make sure it's the waterline.. not the gas line..

What do you mean by "both"?

I do not believe water witching is "occult".

Having been in the occult for a number of years, I can say that water witching is missing the common denominator of true occultic practices, like "astral projection" or clairvoyance.

"Remote viewing" is a propaganda whitewash, first put forward by the Soviets in the 50s, then picked up by Naval Intelligence and the DIA (and possibly the CIA) as a cover for/misinformation about a)genuine intelligence operations, and b)financial embezzlement by certain recipients of Congressional defense budget spending (which, by the way, is what led to the cancellation of the Remote Viewing project by the Department of the Navy and it's removal to Stanford University).

Ingo Swann is a scam artist, plain and simple.

Here something I found~

DOWSING IS IN THE BIBLE By Cathy Burns Printed Book Copyright 1998 ...

http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/book...00/HDM1006.PDF

Probably so, if not and they are using Familiar spirits that ain't of God!

Regarding witching lines, I am in the underground utlity (telecom) business, and I have seen plenty of guys use rods, metal flag wires, probe rods, etc find gas lines, water lines, even phone and fiber optic lines.

It works for practically anyone if you know how to hold the rods/wires and if there isn't too many buried utilities in one location. (This is one thing that convinces me that witching for utility lines or water sources is not occultic, but has something to do with disturbances in the subsoil interacting somehow with the rods... possibly some kind of magnetic field response of some kind???)

Interesting!

CoonCaptain, Did you have any of these effects?

Sounds reasonable.

I've had prophetic inclinations since I was a child. I did not have the Holy Ghost. I was always fascinated with things prophetic, Nastrodamus, psychics, and such. I used to have dreams that would come true.

Since conversion, I have had "personal prophecies" for some people. I've had more dreams that came true. There is one that I could tell you about, but you'd think I fell off my rocker.

And since conversion, I have gone back and forth between the two. The two do not feel the same, but there is a familiarity.

LOL

I think it would pick up the gas line too because of the metal.

I am still working right now so I can't go and do that.

They used to sell them already made for you in the golf course maintenance magazines.

It was a piece of PVC pipe with 2 ball bearings in there. The rod was connected to the ball bearings so the grip of your hand wouldn't throw it off.

One of yall go do it.

Take a coat hanger or a metal rod of similar thickness that is around 20" lg.

Bend it into an L shape about 5" from the end.

Hole the small end of the L on each rod in your hands. (One in your right hand... one in your left)

Hold the rods firmly enough to keep them pointing straight out (not sagging) but not firmly enough to keep them from turning in your hand when they get ready.

Go to a known place where there is a pipe (water, gas etc) and begin walking at least 5' away from it.

When you cross the pipe the rods will cross between your hands. When the rods are both pointing left to right (rather than forward or any angle in between) you are pretty much standing over the pipe.

Be careful if you are near trees though... a big tree root will also cause it to cross.

Actually, I have used a fiberglass probe rod to find both water lines and gas lines before.

Now, I use a RadioDetection 4000 buried utility locator, lol!

That has always been my guess... that it has some sort of magnetic field effect.

One guy worked on my crew... I took him with me one day to fix some pipes. I grabbed the rods out of the back of the truck and located the pipes right quick. He jumped back and said "I thought you were a Christian"

LOL

where'd everyone go??

lol

As I stated in another thread... It does work - to find absolutely anything. And that is what confuses me. I can find empty plastic gas lines buried 3 ft deep.

I've done it for years. There is nothing evil of it nor is it anything to do with witching.

I once read a university study on this activity. It is entirely scientific that is thorougly explained scientific.

I can also take two wire coat-hangers, bend them on right angles and hold one in each hand with the hozontal ends pointing due forward, they will turn in my hand to point toward each other as I pass over various objects such as sewer and pipelines, electrical lines and other things that I might be looking for.

Does it have to be large objects? What about coins?

I'm not sure.

I think that it has to be somewhat larger objects.

I had an uncle (now deceased) that worked as an underwater welder. He has found pipelines lying on the bottom of the shallow Gulf waters by slowing plying the waters back and forth while standing on the bow of a boat, using this method.

A friend of mine is really good at witching water...

I had to laugh, we were in our church building renovation and we needed to find a water line, so my friend witched it dead on. My grandfather who was also a Oneness preacher used to do it and I have seen it done several times outside, but I had never seen it done indoors

Talk about counterintuitive...I don't think anyone even told the pastor about it.

:D

As to studies... they abound both to prove and disprove the scientific nature of it.

The coat hanger you describe is how I have done it. It does not matter if you have one or two...

Now the part I bolded is key... I have found it matters not what it is you are looking for, but just that you are looking for it!

Yes, that has been my experience as well. I have never looked for anything as small as a coin as I recall. I don't know why it wouldn't work though.

I've shown my wife how I do that but for some reason, it does not work with her. I'm not sure why that is. I told her that it might be her lack of faith... :D

I have never felt anything evil about it. Just spooks me that it works.

Her hands may be too soft.

Hands that are soft or even smaller hands can have too much good skin to metal contact with the rods and they won't be able to move when they reach the object being searched for.

Also, without the callas that a mans hands have, it would also be harder to move. I think that it's simply a magnetic field that the water or pipes create that does it...

No, I never felt anything.

But I have had the stick twist nearly in two in my hands.

the closer the water was, the stronger the pull.

well, I know that every item in the universers has some amount of magnitism. so this is possible.

spring up o well spring up

...sing thou unto it.

If it's coins your looking for talk with Mr Garret or Mr. White. Both have very good metal detectors. I have a Garret and have found some good stuff. I have an 1875 Seat Liberty Dime I found on Marth's Vinyard. The '74' could be worth in the hundred thousands, the '75' is worth about $11.00. :nod

I never heard that before.

However, I can hold a Peach fork very, very tightly as Coon said, and that thing will almost twist out of my hands as though I hung an anvel on the end of it, pulling heavily on my arms also.

Do you belive that there are things that man can do that seem supernatural but are not spiritual at all just laws of nature that are not understood?

I do.