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deacon blues 11-08-2011 06:06 PM

When Israel Needs U.S., Obama Disses Netanyahu
 
While Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, when Israel needs a reliable ally in the USA, President Obama joins with Nicolas Sarkozy of France in disrespecting Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In what they believed to be a private conversation but was overheard by translators in their headsets, Sarkozy said "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

Obama, whose remarks were heard via a French translation, was not heard objecting to Sarkozy's characterization of Netanyahu. According to the French interpreter, Obama responded, "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

Obama's days are numbered. Say what you want, God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect. God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel. Obama will not be reelected. He has continually undermined the US/Isrsel relationship.

Truthseeker 11-08-2011 06:14 PM

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Are you saying the jews are still in a covenant with God without the blood of Christ?

deacon blues 11-08-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1112140)
Are you saying the jews are still in a covenant with God without the blood of Christ?

The blessings of God given to Abraham and subsequently to Israel are eternal.

Scott Hutchinson 11-08-2011 08:18 PM

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Is the church the seed of Abraham under the new covenant ?

Jermyn Davidson 11-08-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1112133)
While Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, when Israel needs a reliable ally in the USA, President Obama joins with Nicolas Sarkozy of France in disrespecting Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In what they believed to be a private conversation but was overheard by translators in their headsets, Sarkozy said "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

Obama, whose remarks were heard via a French translation, was not heard objecting to Sarkozy's characterization of Netanyahu. According to the French interpreter, Obama responded, "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

Obama's days are numbered. Say what you want, God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect. God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel. Obama will not be reelected. He has continually undermined the US/Isrsel relationship.


DB,

If Netanyahu was in the least bit a man of his word, then none of this would be happening in the first place because it would not have made sense.


God didn't bless Israel when their leaders were wicked and when their countrymen were rebellious. He punished them.


If you want to apply the Bible to today's Israel, they are all lost and on their way to hell because of their wholesale rejection of The Messiah, Jesus Christ.

canam 11-08-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1112133)
While Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, when Israel needs a reliable ally in the USA, President Obama joins with Nicolas Sarkozy of France in disrespecting Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In what they believed to be a private conversation but was overheard by translators in their headsets, Sarkozy said "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

Obama, whose remarks were heard via a French translation, was not heard objecting to Sarkozy's characterization of Netanyahu. According to the French interpreter, Obama responded, "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

Obama's days are numbered. Say what you want, God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect. God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel. Obama will not be reelected. He has continually undermined the US/Isrsel relationship.

:thumbsup

canam 11-08-2011 09:52 PM

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HEY Sarkozy you think netnyahu is a liar you should try living with Obama now there is a LIAR !

deacon blues 11-10-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1112183)
Is the church the seed of Abraham under the new covenant ?

Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that God made promises to Abe and the nation of Israel. The Jews pray to our God and worship Him. They are blinded but will one day embrace Him in His fullness and He will be their Messiah.

crakjak 11-10-2011 08:21 AM

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The war machines continue to build and continue to push Israel into a corner, and it is very dangerous. Israel will likely be pushed to the point of striking with everything it has, I would not want to be in Iran, Syria, Gaza, West Bank or Lebanon, nor Israel for that matter.

They are on the verge of hitting Iran, they will have to do massive damage to prevent Iran from the ability to destroy them in short order. Then when all thier other enemies start shooting the 100,000 rockets at them, there are going to be some cities vaporized.

Will Israel survive? It will take a miracle.

deacon blues 11-10-2011 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1112186)
DB,

If Netanyahu was in the least bit a man of his word, then none of this would be happening in the first place because it would not have made sense.


God didn't bless Israel when their leaders were wicked and when their countrymen were rebellious. He punished them.


If you want to apply the Bible to today's Israel, they are all lost and on their way to hell because of their wholesale rejection of The Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Not all Jews are lost. There are many Jewish Christians in the world. Jesus is coming back, the Bible is clear. He's coming back for one reason and one reason only: to rescue Israel from the hostile nations of the world gathered to war against it. Jesus will appear and according to the prophets they will "look on whom they have pierced" and they will ask "Where did you get these wounds?" Jesus will respond "I was wounded in the house of my friends."

Many Jews will be lost along with many Gentiles, but the Bible tells us a remnant will be true to their faith and it will be to them that Jesus will come and they will accept Him as Messiah. They won't be in the Bride of Christ, thje won't be immortal in the Millienial but Christ will be their King on David's throne and we, the saints, will rule with Him.

Anyone, even a US president that does not bless Israel will find the disfavor of God, plain and simple. Benjamin Netanyahu makes promises but so do the Palestinians and their track record is abysmal compared to the Israelis. The Jews time and again make concessions to very little give on the Arabs side of the things and all they ever get is criticism for not doing enough. The issue of settlements is miniscule compared to the simple fact that the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

What should Bebe Netanyahu do? Give the Palestinians everything they want while they do NOTHING year after year to promote peaceful coexistence? Its obvious that the PA and Hamas want to continue to play the martyr, the victim to gain world sympathy all the while scheming to get they really want: the destruction of the State of Israel.

Obama is a fool for undermining our only consistent ally in the Middle East. It shows once again that he is nothing more than a leftist ideologue with his political agenda in alignment with radical liberal academia. He's ignoring the facts and history not to mention Scripture. He'll pay dearly Nov. 2012. He's finished.

deafdriscoll 11-10-2011 11:38 AM

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God promised that Israel would return as a country. he will restore all her lands. Everyone who has done Israel wrong God has dealt with. The Evain conference in 1938 to remove the german jews proved that. All the nations that refused the jews were in world war 2. God does make us pay. As only one head of state Stalin survived the war. All the others died.

deacon blues 11-10-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdriscoll (Post 1112707)
God promised that Israel would return as a country. he will restore all her lands. Everyone who has done Israel wrong God has dealt with. The Evain conference in 1938 to remove the german jews proved that. All the nations that refused the jews were in world war 2. God does make us pay. As only one head of state Stalin survived the war. All the others died.

I'm amazed at the Biblical illiteracy when it comes to what God promised Abe and the nation of Israel. If God was finished with them, why all of the prophecies concerning their future related to modern times?

I have to believe that those who think that modern Israel and the Jewish people are to be marginalized Biblically haven't studied the subject out thoroughly. The Biblical evidence is overwhelming that God is still bound to the natural children of Abe.

deacon blues 11-10-2011 12:27 PM

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Politically it is a foolish move by BO. American Jews tend to vote Democrat as a voting bloc and are left leaning. The only difference between them and classic liberals is that the majority of them left or right are devoted to the nation of Israel. He should lose support and financial contributions for this latest faux pas.

Jermyn Davidson 11-10-2011 01:33 PM

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President Obama didn't call Netanyahu a liar, Sarkozy did.
Sarkozy wasn't talking about all Jews, he was talking about Sarkozy.
I don't believe the Bible promises punishment for calling a spade a spade-- whether Jew or not.

Calling Netanyahu a liar is completely different from genocide or hurting all Jews.

Besides, where was the outrage when our own President was called a liar?


I guess there are no Bible promises of retribution for lying on our President and publicly shaming an American President.


Too bad Obama isn't Jewish.

Scott Hutchinson 11-10-2011 02:52 PM

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Just because some of us don't agree with the Dispensational view about Israel does not mean
we don't study our bibles,nor does it mean we hate the people in Israel.

Nor can we say that our brethren who hold a differing view are ignorant of Biblical things.

aegsm76 11-10-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1112736)
President Obama didn't call Netanyahu a liar, Sarkozy did.
Sarkozy wasn't talking about all Jews, he was talking about Sarkozy.
I don't believe the Bible promises punishment for calling a spade a spade-- whether Jew or not.

Calling Netanyahu a liar is completely different from genocide or hurting all Jews.

Besides, where was the outrage when our own President was called a liar?


I guess there are no Bible promises of retribution for lying on our President and publicly shaming an American President.


Too bad Obama isn't Jewish.

JD - the nations in Europe who were complicit with the Germans in WW2 have traditionally been very careful in criticizing Israel. That is starting to turn. Anti-semitism in again on the march and in my opinion starting to point us to the end of the age.

deacon blues 11-11-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1112736)
President Obama didn't call Netanyahu a liar, Sarkozy did.
Sarkozy wasn't talking about all Jews, he was talking about Sarkozy.
I don't believe the Bible promises punishment for calling a spade a spade-- whether Jew or not.

Calling Netanyahu a liar is completely different from genocide or hurting all Jews.

Besides, where was the outrage when our own President was called a liar?

v
I guess there are no Bible promises of retribution for lying on our President and publicly shaming an American President.


Too bad Obama isn't Jewish.

JD, our president has routinely undermined the US/Israel relationship since taking the Oval Office. It's a pattern that has been obvious to most causing even Jewish supporters of his likue Ed Koch to vocally object t his approach to Israel. He didn't call BN a liar but it is obvious to most that his reponse was one of agreement. He certainly wasn't defending BN with hiswords. When you add up the other ways BO has disrespected the Israeli PM with words, approaches and subtle actions, the sum total falls short of "blessing" Israel.

As far as Obama being called a liar earlier, I'll let his record stand for itself. Has he told any lies? My issue with what BO did has nothing to do with Sarkozy calling BN a liar, it's the "I have to deal with him every day." Iran is working feverishly to obtain nuukes, they openly and publicly declare their goal of destroying Israel and the last signal the Middle East needs, especially the enemies of Israel is that there is disunity between the US Prez and the Israeli PM. Should this embolden Iran and the terrorists they sponsor to cause more trouble for Israel, I believe God would hold BO accountable.

We are instructed pray for our leaders, I do. There is Bible for respecting authorities, which I do. Any one of us criticizing the Prez for words, policies and actions we feel are wrong for our country, are violating Biblical principles or otherwise is legitimate as long as we do so with the right spirit. For the sitting president to harm the goodwill between the US/Israel is something entirely different. The fact that Netanyahu is a Jew does make a difference. The Jews have been granted promises that no other nation/race/people have. You bless the Jews, you will be blessed. You curse them, you will be cursed. That's undeniable. Biblically and historically.

deacon blues 11-11-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1112744)
Just because some of us don't agree with the Dispensational view about Israel does not mean
we don't study our bibles,nor does it mean we hate the people in Israel.

Nor can we say that our brethren who hold a differing view are ignorant of Biblical things.

I never stated you don't study your Bible, or hate Israel. I don't believe you are ignorant of Biblical things. I am not a Dispensationalist either. I do believe there is plenty of Biblical evidence that points to the end of the age and the role Israel plays in the events before, during and after.

The Church is the Bride of Christ. We are the children of Abe. We receive the Abrahamic covenant. But there are many prophecies pointing to the Messiah and Israel and that she would be restored and rebuilt and reestablished. The past 100 years have witnessed fulfillment of many dormant ancient prophecies. The blessing of God is still upon Israel. Nazi Germany was destroyed because of the Holocaust. The Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact nations collapsed because of their history of pogroms and genocide. Israel's enemies have suffered humiliating defeat after humiliating defeat since 1948. What was once an arid, difficult, and challenging land has now blossomed into a productive, lush, breadbasket in that region prospering while it's neighbors struggle for survival. Israel is the shining beacon in the Middle East. Religious freedom abounds. Democracy thrives. Women enjoy opportunity and education. The standard of living is high. The evidence is overwhelming that God's promise to Abraham about his biological children still stands.

Pressing-On 11-11-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1112181)
The blessings of God given to Abraham and subsequently to Israel are eternal.

Because they have preserved the oracles of God.

deacon blues 11-11-2011 08:49 AM

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Amen

Pressing-On 11-11-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1112133)
While Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, when Israel needs a reliable ally in the USA, President Obama joins with Nicolas Sarkozy of France in disrespecting Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In what they believed to be a private conversation but was overheard by translators in their headsets, Sarkozy said "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

Obama, whose remarks were heard via a French translation, was not heard objecting to Sarkozy's characterization of Netanyahu. According to the French interpreter, Obama responded, "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

Obama's days are numbered. Say what you want, God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect. God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel. Obama will not be reelected. He has continually undermined the US/Isrsel relationship.

Absolutely deplorable. If Obama is against Judaism, he should at least support them as our most ardent Democratic ally in the Middle East.

Praxeas 11-11-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1112133)
While Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, when Israel needs a reliable ally in the USA, President Obama joins with Nicolas Sarkozy of France in disrespecting Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In what they believed to be a private conversation but was overheard by translators in their headsets, Sarkozy said "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

Obama, whose remarks were heard via a French translation, was not heard objecting to Sarkozy's characterization of Netanyahu. According to the French interpreter, Obama responded, "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

Obama's days are numbered. Say what you want, God's covenant with Abraham is still in effect. God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel. Obama will not be reelected. He has continually undermined the US/Isrsel relationship.

As if Sarkozy never lied? ROFL

Jay 11-11-2011 09:55 PM

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Obama has been a friend to everybody but Israel and the United States. He forced Israel to make concessions (not that Bush and Clinton are that much better) for fewer commitments from the PA than any other president in recent years. He went around the world blasting America and the 'West' by laying on us all of the blame for all of the evils of the last 2500 years.


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