The Foundation of Salvation is built upon Doctrine..
 

The Foundation of Salvation is built upon Doctrine.

Good People that do good works will not be saved unless they recognize they need God. The principles of Salvation do not work according to the laws and thoughts of men. The root principle of salvation is built upon the doctrine laid forth in the Word of God. It is built upon doctrinal truth in the Word of God.

A person can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not understand Doctrine but they must begin a journey of knowing WHO God is after his Spirit is imputed in them. If they recieve the Holy Ghost but never come to understand WHO He is, than the chances of them walking away from the Gospel are greatly acclerated. Some know Who He is and choose to walk away anyway and when that day comes there will be a recompense of judgement.

I do believe Doctrine is important. Not knowing Who God is or confused by the Doctrines set forth by men not founded in the Word will not save men.
Jesus said if you've seen me you have seen the Father. He asked the disciples who they thought he was. When Peter answered Christ told him that upon the Rock of Recognizing WHO Jesus was that the foundations of the church would be built upon it and Hell would not prevail against it.

Some do not think the Doctrine is important concering salvation. God's laws are still in effect for mankind in that He will not act contrary to His Word. He will not judge men contrary to what he has laid as the foundation of mankinds salvation.

Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of God's Spirit evidenced by the supernatural work of speaking in a unkown tongue and living our lives according to His Word will in fact ensure that if we live our lives for Him we will be saved. Understanding our faults and repenting of our sins and living an overcoming life by the power and good will and mercies of God will be our saving grace.

False Doctrine won't save men because God will not veer from what He has laid forth in the Word of God. God does not lie so He will not circumvent the Gospel to appease what man feels or thinks. He will not change His plan laid forth in Word because of the opinions of man. The truth is if we are not following His plan we will be lost no matter how spiritual we are. God is not interested in the popularity of celebrity preachers or the oratory abilites of those who's lifestyles depends upon the shallowness of unregenerated and unchanged lives hoping that by giving they don't need the rest of the Word of God.

I don't think Folks will sneak into Heaven just by getting by or what they've done on this earth. The greatest among us are the least. And the most powerful are those that do their best to live God's Word daily without man's praise or opinion.

Sorry for the length.. BUT Doctrine Matters!!! One Lord.. One Faith.. One Baptism...

Not what men think.. But What Does Say the Word of the Lord..

just a thought...

good words bro. both times i read it.

Since doctrine is the same as teachings, then yes Salvation rest on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and Prophets.


1 Timothy 4:2 - 8 (KJV) 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7 But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

2 Timothy 4:2 - 4 (KJV) 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

But more replies elsewhere.

Non-threatening title....:thumbsup

Excellent post, Rev.

I like these verses...


Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Obedience to the doctrine was what got them out of their sin.

true true. being one who reqires floaties when in the deep end of the pool, i keep my posts on subjects like this one, over here in the shallow end.

I'm going to be saved only because of His love toward me, by accepting His atonement for my sins, without that there is no way to stand before Him.

Great point!

What was Jesus' doctrine? What did He teach? If we don't learn that there is no hope for us!

Check out John 3 for starters.

Doctrine SAVES us.

"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee" (1 Timothy 4:16).

Who needs doctrine when you've got lots of talent? :highfive

So we need the Doctrine of being born again? Yep that's a good place top start.

That, my friend, is a seemingly all to prevalent thought.........:dunno

This is just my two cents, but without faith all the doctrine in the world doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Perhaps being taught can increase a persons faith.

True. I just know that someone can obey everything good doctrine shows them, but without faith it still won't mean anything. Now that I think about it, I don't really know if faith is something that can be taught. I know the Bible says every man has been given the measure of faith, but I don't know that tapping into that faith is something that can be taught.

Can faith and obedience exist without each other?

Yeah, but which comes first, faith or obedience? Obedience is an act of faith, but can it be said that faith is an act of obedience?

I think, scripturally, that faith is only faith if there is obedience following. Otherwise, it's dead, right?

We are all given a measure of faith, and I do believe that "seed" (if you will) is in us until a day when we have to choose to activate it. It is activiated by obedience. But, if obedience does not result, at some point in our life that seed of faith dies, as James says.

So, I've come to believe that God does not consider faith "faith" until there is some sort of action evidenced. What He considers it to be before that action, I have yet to learn.

and without doctrine faith is dead...

it is doctrine that tells us faith without works is dead.
so then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

Faith has to exist in some form prior to obedience being added into the mix. As has already been mentioned, the Bible say every man has been given "the" measure of faith. If what you are saying were true then it would mean every man has obeyed as well or what they've been given isn't faith at all. It seems that faith is perfected through obedience, but can still exist prior to obedience entering the picture. I don't have my Bible program on this computer but I am thinking of that setting of scripture that talks about Abraham obeying by faith, which means his faith produced the obedience.

I hear ya and agree, for the most part.

I've come to view faith as not something I decide is or is not, but something that God decides is or is not. Make any sense?

If that doesn't make sense, let me ask it this way:

Abraham was counted righteous why? Because he had faith or because he obeyed?

I hear what you are saying too, but when you break it down to its simplest form his faith is what produced his obedience, not the other way around. Faith is an element of obedience, but obedience is a product of faith. I think we agree that they work together though.

Not to keep harping on it, but I don't think they can exist without each other. Not in God's eyes anyway. :D

I do, cause the Bible says everyone has one of them but not everyone has both. But, it's all in how you go about splitting the hair, if you catch my drift. We both agree they are both necessary to please God.

OGIA, I think this is the first time you and I have ever talked about anything. I enjoyed it. Sure beats all the going back and forth we get caught up in around here.

I'm expecting the Lord to Come because you two are gettin' along so well...:D

Sometimes I like getting off the forumland merry go round for awhile to have a chat with someone. Let's me know we're all still human.

The problem is I wasn't finished!! :killinme


Nah, I decided to quit while I (we) wuz ahead. I enjoyed it, too. :thumbsup

It's amazing how much I can learn when I've got a good spirit about folks! It ain't always gotta be about right and wrong or lib and con. It is most of the time, but not all the time. :heeheehee

You can thank us on the other side. :largehalo

The foundation of salvation is built upon the Lamb that was slain.

Even that is a doctrine, its called the gospel. Gal 1:6-7 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

ok ... Miz ... this is what I just got from you

doctrine = gospel = Jesus Christ.

Let's define gospel ....

define doctrine ....

If you are not careful .... Mizpeh ... you will fall among the ultra-ultra cons who now assert that Acts 2:38 IS THE GOSPEL ... and not part of the proper response to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Doctrine is teaching or what is taught. The gospel is taught but it is not the only doctrine in the Bible. Those who pervert the gospel are teaching a different doctrine than what Paul taught.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Very good ....

Acts 2:38 is the proper saving response to the Gospel.

Have you read the new book by David Bernard on Justification and the Holy Spirit?

No .... I have not .... nor do I subscribe to his 3 steps = justification model

I've had the book for a month now. I'll read it when I'm done studying Romans and we can discuss it! :beatdeadhorse