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Jacob's Ladder 12-07-2011 05:21 PM

Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1118699)
What's WRONG with meeeee?! Why can't I belieeeeeve?! :sad

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1118842)
Do you belive there is real God who is a Spirit?

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1118852)
I don't know. I am agnostic about that.

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118856)
Timmy,

Just curious why you're a member of an "Apostolic" forum?

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1118858)
Because he has an apostolic background.

AFF has lowered its standards the more? Now you must have family from Apostolic background to be considered Apostolic?

They should rename this forum to "Forum of Laodicea!"

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

jfrog 12-07-2011 05:24 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118864)
AFF has lowered its standards the more? Now you must have family from Apostolic background to be considered Apostolic?

They should rename this forum to "Forum of Laodicea!"

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

So what does that make the person that has said in his heart: "I am God"?

rgcraig 12-07-2011 05:27 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
If you check below this page (at the bottom) there are several threads discussing this that you might want to puruse.

No one has to sign a pledge that they are Apostolic when becoming a member here. It's always been that way, nothing has been lowered.

Jacob's Ladder 12-07-2011 05:33 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1118865)
So what does that make the person that has said in his heart: "I am God"?

Satan!

NotforSale 12-07-2011 05:36 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118864)
AFF has lowered its standards the more? Now you must have family from Apostolic background to be considered Apostolic?

They should rename this forum to "Forum of Laodicea!"

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

What makes you Apostolic?

Timmy 12-07-2011 05:43 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118868)
Satan!

Or God! :winkgrin

NotforSale 12-07-2011 05:57 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Found these shoes on a CONSERVATIVE Apostolic Forum. Maybe it's all in the SHOES! :pirateAttachment 3565

rgcraig 12-07-2011 05:59 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1118873)
Found these shoes on a CONSERVATIVE Apostolic Forum. Maybe it's all in the SHOES! :pirateAttachment 3565

Lol - - yeah, that's not gaudy at all!

'splain that.....you can wear them on your feet, but don't you dare put one of those gems around your neck! Unless it's in a scarf ring.

Timmy 12-07-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1118874)
Lol - - yeah, that's not gaudy at all!

'splain that.....you can wear them on your feet, but don't you dare put one of those gems around your neck! Unless it's in a scarf ring.

Scarf rings are OK? I did not know that! :lol

rgcraig 12-07-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Scarf rings are OK? I did not know that! :lol

At some churches.

RandyWayne 12-07-2011 06:50 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118868)
Satan!

Satan?

http://pastorron7.files.wordpress.co...hurch-lady.jpg

Timmy 12-07-2011 07:39 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1118881)
At some churches.

Well, yeah, everything's OK at some churches. :lol

CC1 12-07-2011 08:21 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1118894)
Well, yeah, everything's OK at some churches. :lol

I heard that there was one that would even have you on the church board!:happydance

Timmy 12-07-2011 08:22 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1118901)
I heard that there was one that would even have you on the church board!:happydance

:spit

Jacob's Ladder 12-07-2011 09:50 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1118869)
What makes you Apostolic?

What are you talking about? I'm not Apostolic, I'm Christian with a Pentecostal experience.

All this labeling. The first followers in Antioch were called Christians!

Hoovie 12-07-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118909)
What are you talking about? I'm not Apostolic, I'm Christian with a Pentecostal experience.

All this labeling. The first followers in Antioch were called Christians!

In light of your opening post this is just, umm... weird.

RandyWayne 12-07-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1118910)
In light of your opening post this is just, umm... weird.

Maybe he heard too much of that 90kh tone.

Steve Epley 12-07-2011 10:16 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
This forum really was never Apostolic but is even less now than it was if that is possible. There are some Apostolics who visit here from time to time. However we started posting together on FCF and became friends so I come here and visit.

Sam 12-07-2011 11:49 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1118864)
AFF has lowered its standards the more? Now you must have family from Apostolic background to be considered Apostolic?

They should rename this forum to "Forum of Laodicea!"

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Thanks for your judgmental assessment.
:heeheehee

Sam 12-07-2011 11:50 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1118869)
What makes you Apostolic?

I consider myself "Apostolic" because I believe in Jesus Christ as presented by His Apostles in His Word.

Sam 12-07-2011 11:51 PM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1118874)
Lol - - yeah, that's not gaudy at all!

'splain that.....you can wear them on your feet, but don't you dare put one of those gems around your neck! Unless it's in a scarf ring.

Or a cloth necklace (neck tie) that some of the men wear

Dagwood 12-08-2011 05:32 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1118912)
This forum really was never Apostolic but is even less now than it was if that is possible. There are some Apostolics who visit here from time to time. However we started posting together on FCF and became friends so I come here and visit.

By whose standard?

Steve Epley 12-08-2011 06:02 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1118942)
By whose standard?

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the most frequent posters do not even attend Apostolic churches for one point. Most do not believe baptism in Jesus Name is important much less essential. Generally when anything about Apostolic heritage is mentioned it is with either distain or to poke fun. Apostolic worship & lifestyle are seen as goofy or strange. Shall I go on?
Again I have friends who post here so I come from time to time. But it is NOT Apostolic.

houston 12-08-2011 06:32 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1118944)
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the most frequent posters do not even attend Apostolic churches for one point. Most do not believe baptism in Jesus Name is important much less essential. Generally when anything about Apostolic heritage is mentioned it is with either distain or to poke fun. Apostolic worship & lifestyle are seen as goofy or strange. Shall I go on?
Again I have friends who post here so I come from time to time. But it is NOT Apostolic.

I agree with most of this.

Digging4Truth 12-08-2011 06:45 AM

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We surely must be apostolic. We're starting threads accusing one another of not being apostolic. What bigger sign of being apostolic is there than railing on one another on our lack of apostolicness?

Dagwood 12-08-2011 07:23 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1118944)
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the most frequent posters do not even attend Apostolic churches for one point. Most do not believe baptism in Jesus Name is important much less essential. Generally when anything about Apostolic heritage is mentioned it is with either distain or to poke fun. Apostolic worship & lifestyle are seen as goofy or strange. Shall I go on?
Again I have friends who post here so I come from time to time. But it is NOT Apostolic.



Apostolic by your definition, correct me if I'm wrong: MUST be baptized in Jesus name, MUST practice holiness standards (as defined by the UPCI, not the Bible) in appearance, MUST abide by a tyranical list of don'ts...etc. The Apostolic worship & lifestyle? If it's not a sudden, unexpected shout, weep, or vigorous shaking while singing or praising, well then...

Yeah, I agree that the most "frequent posters" don't attend Apostolic churches...by your definition. Although calling out anyone isn't exactly wise, I'd be curious to know who you are referring to when speaking of frequent posters...

But, no need to expound on the who since D4T said it very well just above this...

AreYouReady? 12-08-2011 07:28 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
Some of us would still be in an Apostolic church if there weren't cliches` and some highly favored above another.

True Apostolics would not be so cruel to other members of the church system simply because of disagreement over the standards.

I love my husband's beard. Without it, he looks like baby face Nelson. The other men would just greet him while in service, but forget about fellowship outside of church services.

So one day he did an experiment, he shaved his beard off. WOW! One by one they came up and told him that "he cleaned up nice".
Same man, did not change anything but put some little tiny hairs in the bathroom sink.:toofunny

RandyWayne 12-08-2011 07:29 AM

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...but little hairs of pure evil, they were!

scotty 12-08-2011 07:45 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
I believe the board itself is founded on Apostolic principles according to the Welcome Mat. I believe their are Apostolic members who post here.

I do not believe that the over all culture of the board is Apostolic. I do believe, after much reading through the archives, that it used to be.

JMO

AreYouReady? 12-08-2011 07:57 AM

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Hubby went to visit one of his own Apostolic Churches one Sunday morning. The visiting preacher, a well-known singer was preaching that "We got to get the lost sheep back into the fold". Perfect opportunity! Hubby went up to him after church and told him in a very humble way that if he wants to bring the lost sheep back into the church, he could tell him just how to do it. This Preacher did not give him the time of day.

Sorry. Actions speak louder than words.

Amanah 12-08-2011 07:57 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
Well the board title is "Apostolic Friends Forum"

Therefore if you are, were, may become Apostolic, or just like to poke fun at Apostolics, or want to save Apostolics from the error of their ways, here you be.

Scott Hutchinson 12-08-2011 08:05 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
The main thing should be is AFF really Christian ?

scotty 12-08-2011 08:05 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1118984)
Hubby went to visit one of his own Apostolic Churches one Sunday morning. The visiting preacher, a well-known singer was preaching that "We got to get the lost sheep back into the fold". Perfect opportunity! Hubby went up to him after church and told him in a very humble way that if he wants to bring the lost sheep back into the church, he could tell him just how to do it. This Preacher did not give him the time of day.

Sorry. Actions speak louder than words.

Maybe he saw through his "humblness".

scotty 12-08-2011 08:07 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1118988)
The main thing should be is AFF really Christian ?

Oh its "christian". Christian being to "pursue the things of Christ".

Digging4Truth 12-08-2011 08:09 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 1118983)
I believe the board itself is founded on Apostolic principles according to the Welcome Mat. I believe their are Apostolic members who post here.

I do not believe that the over all culture of the board is Apostolic. I do believe, after much reading through the archives, that it used to be.

JMO

True.

This has come to pass for several reasons... among which are the following.

1. AFF began to tolerate those who didn't think only a particular way. This was highly irritating for many of the conservatives who might be more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway.

2. Since we allowed these people to exist and speak even though they disagree this environment was simply too much for many of the conservatives who, again, are more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway. No one has to believe what these "others" believe... but it angers some that we still allow them to speak.

3. This caused a mass exodus of the conservatives which, in itself, became a self fulfilling prophecy that this board would go "liberal" or "charismatic" or any other list of buzz words that mark one as evil.

So... we made the grevious error letting people talk and stay around who didn't agree with strict apostolic thinking. This caused prophecies of doom and tellings of how this board would one day be a charasmatic board. Then when all the cons who are more accustomed to a my way or the highway mentality could take no more of these people being allowed to exist they fulfilled their own prophecy by bailing on the board and suddenly skewing what was, previously, a more balanced membership.

But... they still stick their head in from time to time to tout how their prophecies came true not regarding that it was their own hand that made it so when they exited because when things didn't go their way... they chose the highway.

Scott Hutchinson 12-08-2011 08:10 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
To be honest personally I'm more concerned with being Christian and a disciple of The Lord more than I am being labeled with some other title.

rgcraig 12-08-2011 08:19 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1118992)
True.

This has come to pass for several reasons... among which are the following.

1. AFF began to tolerate those who didn't think only a particular way. This was highly irritating for many of the conservatives who might be more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway.

2. Since we allowed these people to exist and speak even though they disagree this environment was simply too much for many of the conservatives who, again, are more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway. No one has to believe what these "others" believe... but it angers some that we still allow them to speak.

3. This caused a mass exodus of the conservatives which, in itself, became a self fulfilling prophecy that this board would go "liberal" or "charismatic" or any other list of buzz words that mark one as evil.

So... we made the grevious error letting people talk and stay around who didn't agree with strict apostolic thinking. This caused prophecies of doom and tellings of how this board would one day be a charasmatic board. Then when all the cons who are more accustomed to a my way or the highway mentality could take no more of these people being allowed to exist they fulfilled their own prophecy by bailing on the board and suddenly skewing what was, previously, a more balanced membership.

But... they still stick their head in from time to time to tout how their prophecies came true not regarding that it was their own hand that made it so when they exited because when things didn't go their way... they chose the highway.

That's pretty well it in a nutshell!

Thanks D4T for laying it out there!

scotty 12-08-2011 08:23 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1118992)
True.

This has come to pass for several reasons... among which are the following.

1. AFF began to tolerate those who didn't think only a particular way. This was highly irritating for many of the conservatives who might be more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway.

2. Since we allowed these people to exist and speak even though they disagree this environment was simply too much for many of the conservatives who, again, are more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway. No one has to believe what these "others" believe... but it angers some that we still allow them to speak.

3. This caused a mass exodus of the conservatives which, in itself, became a self fulfilling prophecy that this board would go "liberal" or "charismatic" or any other list of buzz words that mark one as evil.

So... we made the grevious error letting people talk and stay around who didn't agree with strict apostolic thinking. This caused prophecies of doom and tellings of how this board would one day be a charasmatic board. Then when all the cons who are more accustomed to a my way or the highway mentality could take no more of these people being allowed to exist they fulfilled their own prophecy by bailing on the board and suddenly skewing what was, previously, a more balanced membership.

But... they still stick their head in from time to time to tout how their prophecies came true not regarding that it was their own hand that made it so when they exited because when things didn't go their way... they chose the highway.

I agree. But both sides, the conservatives and the ones who disagree, lost the most important aspect during the "civil war".

The love of Christ for one another.

jfrog 12-08-2011 08:25 AM

Re: Is AFF Really Apostolic? Probably Not!
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1118992)
True.

This has come to pass for several reasons... among which are the following.

1. AFF began to tolerate those who didn't think only a particular way. This was highly irritating for many of the conservatives who might be more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway.

2. Since we allowed these people to exist and speak even though they disagree this environment was simply too much for many of the conservatives who, again, are more accustomed to an atmosphere of my way or the highway. No one has to believe what these "others" believe... but it angers some that we still allow them to speak.

3. This caused a mass exodus of the conservatives which, in itself, became a self fulfilling prophecy that this board would go "liberal" or "charismatic" or any other list of buzz words that mark one as evil.

So... we made the grevious error letting people talk and stay around who didn't agree with strict apostolic thinking. This caused prophecies of doom and tellings of how this board would one day be a charasmatic board. Then when all the cons who are more accustomed to a my way or the highway mentality could take no more of these people being allowed to exist they fulfilled their own prophecy by bailing on the board and suddenly skewing what was, previously, a more balanced membership.

But... they still stick their head in from time to time to tout how their prophecies came true not regarding that it was their own hand that made it so when they exited because when things didn't go their way... they chose the highway.

There was a time when AFF didn't tolerate?

rgcraig 12-08-2011 08:26 AM

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I miss the dynamics of AFF when we first started. Posters that provoked you in a good way or challenged you are almost all gone.

I guess things evolve.......


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