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This is the mouthpiece of your Government speaking.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hil...pporting-honor

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That wasn't mentioned in the article.

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No but it makes Christians out as evil haters of righteousness. Christians have been arrested and put in prison in other nations for teaching "gay" is sin. America is pushing that direction.

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Isn't that covered with the hate-speech laws?

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hmmmmm - Fear mongers! Fear hath torment but perfect love cast out all fear!
I think someone needs a good dose of Joel Osteen! Maybe listen to a good series to help get rid of fear and anxiety!

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Joel Osteen?? Bwahahaha! Do you read the stuff that you post?

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Oh lighten up! You guys take yourselves WAY too seriously!

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What is Joel Olsteen's position on homosexuality?

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Ummmm... No comment!

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ROFL! You guys are a riot!

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What ever it is it comes straight from his mouth because he never opens a bible when he preaches, if you want to call it that. And that quote comes straight from his mouth as he stated on public television.
If his father could see he would probably turn over in his grave.

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Was this a serious question? If so the answer is that Joel has publicly stated that he believes that homosexuality is a sin. There are multiple articles all over the internet and elsewhere that you can view his comments, here is one:

"Jay Bakker, a big supporter of a pro-gay group, met privately with Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church to talk about faith and sexuality issues and to ultimately gain the support of the megapastor.
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Son of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, Jay and a group of gays and lesbians attended one of Lakewood Church's Sunday worship services in an effort to change the influential pastor's view on gays and lesbians. At the end, Osteen did not affirm homosexuality.

It was the first of six megachurch stops in a pro-gay campaign called The American Family Outing – a collaboration between Soulforce, COLAGE, National Black Justice Coalition, and the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches. Some 30 LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) persons and supporters took their national campaign to the country's largest church on Mother's Day to create dialogue around LGBT issues with members of the megachurch.

"Families come in all forms," said Kim Beggs, a lesbian mother and also an Osteen fan, according to the Houston Chronicle. "God loves us."

The group of 30 met with Osteen after service as the megapastor was greeting hundreds of visitors. The Osteens – including the pastor's mother, Dodie, and wife, Victoria – welcomed Bakker and the guests from Soulforce, according to Lakewood spokesman Donald Iloff, who added that the church does not turn visitors away.

Joel Osteen, his brother, Paul, and Iloff then met privately with Bakker and there they discussed faith, family and LGBT people."

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Isn't Joel Olsteen's church a sister work of Miracle Faith Ministries Int? ... :D

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It was a halfhearted question. Thank you for answering it. As you see, Michael the Disciple started this tread about prison awaiting believers. The congress is slowing passing laws that can be selectively enforced and many pastors can go to prison by violating these laws.

Someone brought up Joel Osteen. So since I heard Joel Osteen rarely preaches a sermon from the Bible, I wondered what Joel Osteen’s position on homosexuality was?
You see, I never watch television preachers. Mega-churches don’t impress me at all. I suppose I should, every once in a while, look these jokers up on the net to see who they are and what they believe, but there are so many other interesting things to look up that they fall by the wayside.

Michael the Disciple is just trying to warn his fellow believers that the world is once again going to persecute true believers. Jeremiah probably was called a fear monger too in his day.

P.S. I just read wikipedia where Osteen had preached only ONE sermon before he took over the megachurch. Wow.


Does anybody ever wonder why politicians are in Congress for generations? Why Hollywood stars are generational likewise? Now it looks as though churches are passed down to family members. Is this truly God’s intention? Or is it people’s itching ears?

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You know you guys need to get the log out of your eye and deal with your own drama and secret sins instead of worrying about someone you think has a toothpick in their eye.

Let's put YOUR life under a microscope and examine every single thing you do from daylight to midnight and see if you don't have a few quirks!
People like you that continually judge others and gossip about others you don't even know - most usually have dark secret sins that they are covering with talking about how BAD everyone else is.
Too bad nobody measures up to your perfection!

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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

BT

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I usually agree with AB on many things...but not this one.

I am a person of many faults and I try to work on those faults. However, is it ok for any Child of God, born again Holy Ghost filled Jesus Name believer to stand by silently and watch while any preacher, of any organized church system, megachurch etc to not preach to thousands of people the truth of the Bible, then financially gain from them on top of it?

The Bible tells us to be "watchmen on the wall", but the preachers tell us to shut up and pull the log out of our own eye.

The Bible tells us not to be fooled by false prophets and teachers. The Bible tells us not to sleep.

Perhaps some of these preachers are the ones who put those logs in there to begin with so we would not see what they are doing to people who want a bonafide move from God?

I turn on the television throughout the years and seen men and women decked out in the finest asking for money, money, and money.

I would have to say that the absolute most spiritual preachers I've come across are the ones who don't preach for filthy lucre. Don't sit in a church waiting on folks to fill up their pews. These are the ones who street preach where they can and go to visit the sick, the elderly and sometimes just the family and pray in their home with them. Not too many of those are left.

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Well, Let's start a thread about lawyers that we don't like how they advertise and how cheap they sound or used car salesmen who scream at us on TV or the nasty talking Hollywood stars who curse and influence this generation every day. You don't know any of them personally but - who cars - slam them and gossip about them. But NO - You won't deal with them - you want to throw your rocks at preachers that are working, praying, helping people, teaching, preaching, feeding, giving to the poor and feeding the hungry.

You have absolutely no idea who Joel Osteen is or what he does and who he helps. I guess he should have just said - let the church fold after Daddy John died and he could have gone to work for TBN or even CNN.
WHY do you guys have to do this. I hear it in every "Apostolic" Church I go to. WE ARE THE BEST - The TV Preachers are all going to hell and we hate Joel Osteen and even though TD Jakes baptises in the Name of Jesus, He is not of us so he is not good enough and he screams and carries on and lets put him and his bunch in hell too.
WE ARE THE BEST - THE HOLIEST - THE CHOSEN ONES!
Why don't you just preach what you believe and leave the others alone.
Joel Osteen and Bishop Jakes are easy targets for those in the cheap seats and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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:reaction

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Altho you apparently mean this as a bitter attack on someone I am glad to put my life under a microscope. Thats the point of holiness. You mean there are people out there serving Jesus who dont understand this? If there is sin in the heart/mind Heaven will not be our eternal home.

Jesus said to his true Church they tested those who claimed to be apostles but were liars and praised them for their accurate assesment/judgment. If one claims to be a minister in the Church and does not preach perfection he is either:

1. A tare sent by satan to confuse the saints.
2. A novice in the word, maybe sincere but not taught in the word of truth therefore not prepared for New Testament ministry.

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Whoa there brother AB. Who pushed yo button?

Show us where any of us screamed and threw rocks at Joel Osteen? I simply asked a question, someone answered it for me and I read on wiki where he preached only once before he took pastorate of a very large church. What does the Bible say about Novices?
And WHO said anything about TD Jakes?

You are correct in I don't know anything about these preachers. I already said so. I also don't know for a fact that any of the preachers you spoke about are feeding the hungry and helping the poor. High profile megachurch pastors ARE under the limelight whether you like it or not. They are going to show to the people only what they want the people to see. It's just that way. They put themselves in that position when they started televising their services. People are going to have opinions about megachurch preachers whether you or I like it or not.


Why in the world in a country that has a church on almost every corner and tucked way into the woods in the country likewise, do we have to have high profile television preachers to feed the hungry? The local church is responsible for feeding local children, disabled adults, widows and elderly, but many of them do not do it. I do not know of a single UPC church in my entire region that actually has a benevolent fund in place for those. Instead, I heard it once preached that if a widow so much as has a nephew, let not the church be charged. (in taking care of her). We got too many welfare recipients sitting in the pews.

I am not UPCI. I left 20 years ago and studied the Bible leaning heavily on the Holy Ghost for understanding. I know when something is right or isn't right. So...be sure to get a smaller brush before you start painting everybody as an holier-than-thou UPC looking for fault in someone who is not like them. I've took many hits myself from UPC and believe me, I probably know as much Bible as you do and my husband knows a whole lot more than you do on your best day.

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So... I joined this forum several years ago... had a peek and decided that there was a lot of disunity and unhappiness here and moved on... checked back a few times and found it pretty much the same... A lot like the real brick and mortar church... bitterness, back biting, etc.

So recently I've had another look... and you know what? Nothing's changed.

Do you realize that the section you are posting in is called 'Fellowship Hall' and subtitled 'the place to go for fellowship and fun'? Yet almost every thread here is provocative and many disintegrate into bickering and name calling in just a few posts...

So while we are all so holy we can not master koinonia or agape love. Did you miss that part that says that without love (yeah that patient, kind, blah, blah... stuff) you are a clanging gong?

Clang on brothers, but don't try to pretend that you are doing yourselves or anyone else any good. Thumbs up to those who at least admit that they do not know everything....

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Titus chick,

kick rocks.

agape,
houston

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I'm not sure how the post above is any different than what we do to each other... ;) Just sayin!

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One thing the church needs to do is recognize that sin is not an excuse to hurt people.

By hurt I mean hurt. Because that happens.

The reason gay people are looking for some kind of Human Rights declairation is because gay people are getting hurt by religious folk because the religious folk feel justified attacking the sinners.

That aint a WWJD moment.

homosexual sex is a sin. living an unrepentant life will send you to hell. We preach that. We teach that but we certainly should not be in the business of helping people in sin get to hell.

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Amen!

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So have I been blitzkrieged frog? :heeheehee

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So, anyway, if you ever do end up in jail because of your faith, don't forget to rejoice. Matthew 5:11-12. :D

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Of course lol. I'm an equal opportunity blitzkrieger!

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Exactly

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Are you kidding? What Christians are hurting gay people? The gays need protection from US?

Why not crusade for the Millions of TRULY PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS in the world?

Sitting in prisons for the name of Jesus? The many that are being killed by Islam and Communism?

But WE have to recognize not to hurt gays?

What Church teaches to go attack gays? What "Christian" on this forum has ever physically attacked a gay person?

Even now gays are dreaming up more ways to force their agenda down the throats of Christian children and all young people and MAKE THEM not only accept it but to like it or else.

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Who is kidding who here? Have you ever heard of Westboro Baptist church? Their slogan is 'God hates fags'. Not seen the billboards taken out to show that homosexuality is 'evil'? If we are supposed to be the good guys here let's act like it.

I will post some comments here that I posted on another forum recently:

Many types of deviant sexual behavior are now the 'norm'. In example, fornication is so very widely accepted that most secular and even some 'Christian' counseling groups now RECOMMEND that people live together before marriage as the preferred course of a successful relationship. They even claim to have new 'studies' to back their position.

Because it would just be too scary to look at such rampant sins as gluttony, lying and coveting, let us take that all too common but still-recognized-as-sin-by-some-sin- fornication and use it as an example here. Take a look at people living together without marriage and you see people who have apparently won the battle the homosexuals are fighting! People who are getting equal treatment under the law with marrieds with regards to health benefits, tax breaks, etc. Try counting the number of times that behavior is glorified in TV and movies, etc. and you will find it absolutely dwarfs the homosexual issue. The only reason that fornicators are not campaigning in the streets for the right to do what they do is because no one, not even One God Apostolics seem to care. Could part of this be because we have become so very focused on the homosexual issue that it has completely eclipsed other sins in our minds?

Is homosexuality now so much a 'special sin' that we must make hating it part or our identity? Or are we to reach for every kind of sinner in love knowing that there is none beyond God's reach, not even the fornicator or the homosexual? I do not want any kind of hate speech to be a part of who I am. I work with homosexual people. Educated, medical doctors and nurses and I believe that the Lord can change them. I will not say or do anything to even hint at support for the idea that 'God made them this way'. I do not want them to believe that I feel their sin dirtier than anyone elses.

I wonder if in some ways the 'church' has, with it's special focus on homosexuality, added negative force and power to the fight and validation to the idea that even Christians believe that the homosexual can not be changed by God.

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:thumbsup

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Well now, T2W that is a darn right good post. I belong to another forum where there is an openly admitted homosexual. All he wants is to be treated like other people, he says.

He is coming home from California for Christmas. My husband and I plan to have coffee with him when he comes this way. Others on the forums expressed interest in joining us.

However, I think that Michael the Disciple raises a good awareness here about prison for Christians. There are a lot of laws being passed and no doubt they will be selectively enforced like many of our current laws.

I don't think Westboro Baptist Church is a bonafide church. They are more like a poster child of hate groups. The government will most likely bring the hatchet down on them, (like it should be done) because real churches do not hate like this group does.

Freedom of speech does not mean one can protest and hate on others like this group does.

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Has any specific homosexual been physically attacked by the Westboro Baptist Church? Has a Christian killed or imprisoned a homosexual here in America? If so why are they not on the headlines? We know if these things had happened it would be on the news 24/7. The "gay" persecution charge is ludicrous.

The United Nations is setting the stage for imprisonment of CHRISTIANS not gays.

We do know that CHRISTIANS are imprisoned and killed in various nations worldwide.

CHRISTIANS are the most persecuted group of people on Earth.

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Bro. Michael,

You ask for irrefutable proof that a 'Christian' has hurt or imprisoned a gay. I can not give that to you simply because I do not believe that anyone who hurts or kills someone out of hate can also wear the name of my Savior. I have a much more narrow definition of 'Christian' than does the world. Now were the question 'Show me homosexuals who have been persecuted and killed by the religious' and I'd google up a mess of them for you, complete with professional articles and pictures. You also limit your questions about persecution of the homosexuals to the U.S. and then even to a particular church where you want proof that the attacks have become physical as if the horrible hate speech is not enough...further narrowing...

Then you broaden your criteria when defining Christian persecution to include 'positioning for persecution' and world-wide as the stage.... We are now into the stinkin'-thinkin' of comparing apples to oranges.

Lets just keep it in the more narrow context for a minute. A look at American history will show that Christians have for centuries been a status group in the U.S. Most powerful or influential jobs, including elected public office, have and still do require a Christian religious affiliation. It has only been in the past few decades that some of the pro-Christian bias in this country has been reeled in and Christians are hoppin' mad about it too! However I see it is a backlash to Christians going too far in trying to force their particular world view on everyone. The American people, now being more educated and diverse, are able to see that there is no fairness in the way things have been done.

In example; when Christians say they want prayer back in schools they are not taking about bowing on a mat facing Mecca or adopting a Yoga pose or burning incense to some Pagan goddess. In fact most Christians would have a canip if their children were exposed to any of that in school but think nothing about forcing children of other religions or no religion at all to sit through prayer to God. I still remember the one or two kids every year in my elementary class that had to sit in the hallway during our Christmas party because they were of a different religion and their parents would not let them participate in what was a religious holiday at school. (oh if they had only known the truth, LOL!)

The Bible says that we will be persecuted for His sake. The Bible does not say we will persecute others. We should accept that, quit trying to fight, and embrace the signs that this present world is coming to a close. Our minds and hearts should be focused on being ready for His return and not always trying to figure out how we can avoid having those things happen that will usher in the world to come.

I am not for politicizing Christianity at all. Separation of church and state are our only hope for not having to soon go underground and even that might not be enough. At some point we may just have to accept the truth of scripture and lean on the Lord completely to see us through, whatever comes.

Peace to you,
Melissa

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Well Michael, it is very true that there are millions of Christians around the world whos lives are threatened.

Even in the USA there is a concerted effort to paint Christians as evil. We need to be vocal (with love) against those voices.

That still gives no excuse to do violence.

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Well, Christians do not do the violence. The ones who do the violence will say they are Christian.

I do agree with T2W about school prayer. If we demand prayer in school for our children, then other religions will demand equal time for their prayers. We should be having prayer at home in the morning before school, which would probably be more effective than a "canned" prayer at school.

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We have 5 children who all graduated through the public school system. They are now in their 40's and early 50's and have children of their own. I never did want a public (government) school teacher to teach my child or force my child to pray. In my opinion, that would be government forcing a particular religious belief system on my child. I don't want Christian sharia law imposed on me and others.