Dispensatioal Premil vs Historic Premil
 

Dispensational Premillienialism versus Historic Premillienalism. Lets discuss it. Differences? Similarities? Anything ya got

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I had never heard of that there was much in the way of a second set for the premillinialist. I grew up with dispensationalist teachings and still view much of the work of prophecy and redemption in that light. However, I am not sure what the historical premillinialist point of view would hold as being so different, with the possible exception that they do not break down the ages into 'dispensations' of God's dealings with man. I could misunderstand that, but that is about as close as I can guess without ever having heard of it before.

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Historic premillenialism teaches Post Trib Rapture. It is my understanding that they don't see as much of a difference between Israel and the Church as dispensationalists do. I really don't know how they view redemptive history in comparison to dispensationalists. I def believe post trib rapture, but I also see the various dispensations that I have been taught by dispensationalist teachers.

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I see. I was not aware of that, but I know of a good man that I would say holds to your view. I can not wholly agree with it myself as yet, but if the Lord does not return soon, I may have to abandon my belief in a pre-trib rapture, although I am either inclined toward a pre-wrath, or mid-trib position now. I see too much that is happening to believe that the church is going to escape from world wide persecution.

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Jay, don't do it! Post trib leads to partial preterism!!

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I never said that I would, but I am actually having to reevaluate my position on a pre-trib rapture. I heard it taught, but I am having to reconsider in the light of recent events. I have reached the conclusion that it is possible that the church might at least see the Anti-Christ revealed.

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It's always good to reexamine our views because one could overlook some things in coming to one's conclusions on Biblical matters.

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I will agree with that statement in part. I do believe that many things are so clear that we should not have any question about them.

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Houston's comment was a jest. lol
he is a partial preterist!
Ultimately, while I believe that the Church will go through the Tribulation (which is 3 1/2 years by the way), I am looking for Him daily. While He may not come for the entire church today, He may 'rapture' me today by the way of death. It is important to put our faith in the Holy Ghost and the Word of God, not our particular view of prophecy. If I could say anything to edify the undecided, get ready to go through and always be ready to go out! And most of all, always keep your eyes on Jesus Christ, even less than the events that are taking place all around.

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I'd still like to see someone get a good discussion on about Dispensational versus Historic Premillenialism! lol

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kc,

how are you doing bro? I hate labels, but you are correct, I am an impartial preterist. I learned enough to get this far and I came to a hault. It is easy to go from post trib to partial or orthodox preterism. It is even easier to move from par pret to fulfilled or full preterism. I am not convinced that Jesus is not coming back, or shall I say, I am convinced that Jesus is coming back. There is something about the preterist hermeneutic that is dangerous, IMO. There are FP that do not believe that there is a literal Satan, communion is spiritual, and the end result of FP is cessationism, the belief that the gifts of the Spirit are no longer available to the body of Christ. (Those views are not held by most apostilic FP.)

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I'm doing well. Have not been on here too much at all lately..just too busy!
I'm still studyin on the second coming and it seems like God is constantly revealing new things to me that I didnt see before. I have to take it in small doses. I have not even started to really look at preterism. I can not bash or argue with partial preterism simply because I haven't studied it enough to even begin to understand it. I must say that the thought that Jesus Christ is not returning (FP) seems like heresy to me. And as you have mentioned, it leads to so much more dangerous false doctrine. I can't say that I hate labels because I need them to sort out different view points and come to some kind of understanding! lol
What do you believe about the Millenium brother?

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the way my brain files info, you have to ask a more specific question, and 2 or 3 part questions do help ...sometimes.

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Do you believe the Millenium is a literal thousand year period?
A literal period at all?
Current?
Future?
Or already past?

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that's a 5 part question!

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Ah, Rev. 20! Lol. I lean more toward amillenialism (sp). If the thousand year mark is literal, it would have to be a future event. If it is not literal, the millenium can be either/or, right?
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Just went over the chapter. If the thousand yrs is current, those beheaded live and reign with Christ right now?? O.o

Things that make you go "hmmm."

Like I stated earlier, I got to partial preterism and kinda stepped back from it all. Label me the impartial preterist.

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I really didn't answer your questions and for that I apologize. I briefly went over the text and some things popped out that I didn't see before, and they may be problematic ...to your view. :)

Rev 20:3 satan is bound for a thousand yrs.

Rev 20:4 the first ressurrection occurs. that's great, but where do the people live? on earth? if you chose
A) Earth
you have ressurrected saints sharing a planet for a thousand yrs with people that have not died yet.

Then satan is loose to deceive the nations, gog, magog, etc.

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Ask Bro Blume...this is his view.

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This is how I believe. That is where the resurrected saints (I certainly hope to be one) will "be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years". It will be during this time that Christ will reign on earth with His saints. This is my view and the view of most premillenialists.

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Thing is, you reign on planet earth and the nations continue with life, not skipping a beat, THEN Satan is loosed. GOG-MAGOG drama takes place, THEN the white throne judgement takes place.

I think that it's weird to have us ruling on earth with Jesus, I mean, it's weird that the nations are not judged before we reign on earth.

On the other hand, ressurrected martyrs are reigning now. Maybe there is a symbological or spiritual application that I missed.

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The beast and those that have taken the mark already have received their fate at this point, correct? It seems we would be reigning over those Jews that have not taken the mark, who came to Christ at the mount of olives before Armegeddon. Armegeddon takes place before the millenium.

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I'm out for the night. I will read up on the Amillenialist view tomorrow. I've studied it before but it's been a while. There is a lot of scripture from the OT prophesyin about this period of time as well. I can't fathom it being spiritual symbolism. I believe it has to be a real period of time.








Still no one has discussed Dispensational vs Historic Premil!!!

I think maybe premillenialists are a minority on this forum..

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Reigning over Jews? Careful, someone may label you an anti-shemite. Let's stick with Rev 20. WHO are the nations that Satan deceives into attacking the great city? AND, I just can't get over this, why are the ressurrected sharing a planet with people that have not died? I need to take a seat. I am asking more questions than that guy with fairly odd parents.

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I can take that up I think. The nations made up of those that did not take the mark/survived the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that these nations will partake of the feast of tabernacles and bring gifts to Jerusalem and Israel. At the end of 1000 years, they will attempt to remove the yoke from their necks, Satan deceiving them into believing that it is possible, and will be destroyed.

Satan is not even going to get to the great white throne. He just gets dumped with the Anti-Christ and False Prophet.







I'm hurt. I thought I was doing a good job of it.:heeheehee As I am closer to the dispensationalist point of view, but knowing very little of the other, I guess that I am not much fun. Oh well. Btw, I had a feeling my leg was being pulled.:highfive

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verses, please

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Zec_14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec_14:18-19 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.

Rev 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



Zepheniah might be talking about the Jewish people, but when going through it before, I thought that i saw it, but it could have been in one of the major prophets. Revelation is the one with the most inclusive, but the others can be verified by going to their chapters, but it is apparent from their context that they must deal with the millinial reign, as there is nothing in history where these things have happened.

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No offense my brother! I just wanna hear from both sides! lol

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I know that, and I was putting on. I know that I am not well enough acquainted with the particulars of each to be good at discussing the merits of the one verses the other. Especially as I do not recall hearing anything about historic premillinialism before you mentioned it. I do enjoy hearing various parts of view myself, and hope that someone responds aside from me. That would help me to 'see, hear, or learn some new thing'. :D