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Somebody explain it to my 7 yr old, so I dont have to confuse her more than she is, by my attempting to unconfuse her..:)

She is wondering why God is praying to himself.




Somebody tell her its just the human side praying to the God side, and see how everything becomes clear as mud for her.

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And saying that they are two separate gods makes it less confusing? Then you beg the question, why did god #1 pray to god #2 unless one was inferior to the other and had to ask for help. :coffee2 Or is that god #3 praying to god #2? Was god #3 praying to the Father? Or was He praying to the Holy Spirit?

My kids have had no problem at all understanding that the body that God dwelt in was human, felt pain and felt the need to pray.

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It's very simple God had a Son, Jesus, who isn't God, but a separate and distinct person. They loved and interacted with each other and Jesus was sent by His Father to save the world.

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or, for 7, see that it's a means of getting closer to God. And that prayer is supposed to be a personal thing, done in a closet, and that although some prayer should be a mark of any Christian walk, everyone prays quite differently, which is cool--and it's not something to get hung up on, it's just a way to be with God inside you, you are paying God sole attention, and you get stuff from it.

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whoa there buddy, have you considered:


John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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From a little boy, it was placed in my heart. "Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One".

That is the Greatest Commandment of All. Christology can come later.

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:santathumb

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I've always told my girls there is one God who is Jesus.

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Yep I have. :)

Have you considered that the Word was with God? That the same was in the beginning with God?

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Ha cool.

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Use the analogy of water.

It fills the Atmosphere-Creator/Father (Transcendance)
You can concentrate it in a bottle of-Son (Incarnation)
You can Drink it-Holy Spirit (Immanence)

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I like this one

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Use the analogy of a Father and a Son. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. They're two separate and distinct persons who have a relationship with each other.

Yall trying to make this wayyyyy too complicated.

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The Father was in the Son. Water in the Bottle. Yet it was a unique container, never to be seen again.

Well, what about us, we have water too, but our container is flawed.

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My water analogy is complicated?

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Yes. When one starts examining that analogy, you begin having constraints on the bottle and the water and the composition of the water and the bottle, ect. ect.

It's not a bottle and water, it's simple, it's a Father and a Son.

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Well, with any analogy there is a break down.

I think you may be complicating it.

Spirit and Flesh!

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I would be comfortable with introducing that God is a perfect unknowable at a young age.

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I thought it was an elegant analogy, and translated well to the spiritual meaning. My prayers go with you for India.

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Why even use an analogy? There's a Father and there's a Son. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father.

Why isn't that simple enough to teach?

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Because its a lie!!! Isaiah 9:6 says that the Son will be called the 'Mighty God, Everlasting Father"! We teach the Father was manifested in the Son because that's what the Bible says.

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There is nothing more in this world that i despise more than the doctrine of the 'trinity'...of course television is not far down the line from that.

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I can honestly say I don't despise it at all. It would be a fairly accurate doctrine if our modern day term of persons matched the earlier definition.

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Maybe the writers of the bible was wrong by using the Father and the Son and their separation and distinction as examples?

The NT is chock full of such examples.

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It's sad to me that someone would have a negative view of the Trinity, which should be only a positive thing; a shame people have ruined it for some. See that God has many names, and seek where you agree.

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When the doctrine of the trinity is taken to it's conclusion, the result is polytheism.

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Those examples are relational. Jesus is the "fullness of the Godhead". He fullfilled it all. He revealed himself as Father, Son, and Spirit. And he doesnt have to be three people fulfill those roles.

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God the Father and Jesus, His Son, interacted with each other separately and distinctly throughout the gospels, with each having separate wills. They did have a relationship as between a Father and His Son.

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The same way our flesh and spirit interact. I will not discuss this further with you but I will pray for you.

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Our flesh and spirit do not interact as Father and Son. Our spirit isn't our Father with our flesh being our Son.

I appreciate your prayers.

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Your post somehow made me think of this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7x1E...e_gdata_player

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Does my flesh say tom-ATE-tow and my spirit say Tom-OT-toe? Why would the bible even say that Jesus refereed to his father as Father if all it did was confuse "those who believed in the heresy of the TRINITY!"?

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While I have read, and do appreciate the many thoughts/posts...I have decided to go at it by reading the Christmass story beginning with the emaculate conception...thereby setting ground to explain Him as the God/man. He was made up of His Divine daddy and human mother...


inclusive of both....
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”which means “God with us”).

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Probably read Isaiah 9:6 to fortell of the birth before reading the story, and read Jude 1:25 at the end.

Explain how the great creator - God, became our Saviour- the Son of God, in order to die for our sins, because to die He had to take on humanity(maybe read 1 Tim. 3:16).



and discuss His inherited "genes" with her how He needed to pray because he was a man like us, seeing as how He was conceived thru His mother...yet also had the ability to control the wind and waves thru His "Father's side"- the Holy Spirit of God, which had caused his mother to be pregnant with Him..



If she asks if He was praying to himself, my answer is no, He was praying to God (how 'bout that, Seekerman :D)
Just like I would say, "no, Jesus is not His own Father...", nor did Jesus answer His own prayers...
Tho Im guessing many of you might answer those yes...

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The trinity is like a three fingered hand? like a, a, IDK.

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Joh 5:44 How is it possible for you to have faith while you take honour one from another and have no desire for the honour which comes from the only God?

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and hearing their argument together, and seeing that he had given them a good answer, put the question to him, Which law is the first of all?
Mar 12:29 Jesus said in answer, The first is, Give ear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord;
Mar 12:30 And you are to have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
Mar 12:31 The second is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. There is no other law greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, Truly, Master, you have well said that he is one, and there is no other but he: {not you Jesus}

Clearly the scribe understood Jesus was NOT God...

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Mary did not believe or was she told that God would come inside her womb and come out a baby..It is true God caused a miracle to occur inside her womb that is [he created inside her womb] a human child like all mothers give birth to and this child was to be called {because of the miracle] the Son of God..the only child that could literally say "my father is God"..

He is the 2nd Adam for a reason...

Adam was created from the dust
Jesus was created from the womb

Adam was created with a sinless nature
Jesus was created with a sinless nature

Adam chose to be like God
Jesus chose to humble himself and not claim to be

Adam chose to sin
Jesus chose not to

Jesus was the human Son God always wanted in Adam :)

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God said beside me there is no Saviour, so IMO your Jesus is not the Saviour if He is not God, SRM. With all respect to you bro, I put this thread in the fellowship hall for a reason. I will not waste my time with you on this.

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Of course God is the Savior..but that does not mean God does not use people to act on his behalf..

Neh 9:27 And so you gave them up into the hands of their haters who were cruel to them: and in the time of their trouble, when they made their prayer to you, you gave ear to them from heaven; and in your great mercy gave them saviours, who made them free from the hands of their haters.

Yikes..this is in your Bible..

Jesus is called A Savior..not THE Savior..look for yourself..God also used Joshua to lead Israel to the promise land..after all the name Joshua means YWHW saves..


Jesus = YHWH saves
Joshua also means the same
Yet the bible teaches that YHWH did not save Israel by doing the job himself Or did He become Joshua. Joshua saved Israel by obeying God and leading Israel into the Promise land. The salvation was wrought by God empowering both Joshua and the people who went forth to claim the victory God guaranteed for them yet it was God who said that HE would do the job

The favorite 5 words about Jesus is..HE HAD TO BE GOD

You mean a perfect sinless man brought sin into the world and it is wrong for God to bring yet another perfect sinless MAN to take the sin out?

If God made a creed and purposed this so to be I do not have a problem with it,it seems to boggle the mind that God chose and used a human being like no other to be the representation for God and to act on his behalf just like He did countless times in the OT. The human Jesus is not good enough so it seems,no in fact my old pastor {apostolic btw} used to preach from His pulpit "I would not serve a God who would not die for me"
at that time I stood and shouted Hallelujah but looking back the man was wrong.As great as a preacher as He was and I respect him dearly He is wrong to say and believe God can die.The story of the Bible is not that God so loved the world that HE gave..but rather God has a Son..the perfect Son He always wanted in Adam..He created and raised up that Son from the womb of a virgin.To say and believe Jesus was MORE than a man is to discredit the very words of the Bible.

Why does not Paul say that God commends his love towards us that while we were still sinners HE died for us? Paul does not use incarnation language at all yet it is the mainstream belief God became like a Transformer {Robot in disguise} and became a man..

Heb 2:17 Because of this it was necessary for him to be made like his brothers in every way, so that he might be a high priest full of mercy and keeping faith in everything to do with God, making offerings for the sins of the people.

In EVERY WAY..what part of humanity has a dual nature? What part of humanity is a God man,a dual nature man?

No the Messiah of the Bible I believe in is not a false Jesus..He is the one Moses wrote about..Deut 18:15-18

Moses spoke if a future Prophet LIKE ME from among your brethren d
Peter and Stephen apply this to
Jesus Acts 3:22 7:37 neither they or Moses could use such language if they considered the Messiah to be God himself

What part of Moses was dual nature?

David calls the Messiah "Adoni" not Adonai Lord God. If David did not expect the Messiah to be God- why should we?

It is like JC Penny..its all inside...that is your own Bible!..

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That is not what the Bible says, but I do not know why it matters, as you have said that the New Testament writers made a mistake in their description of Jesus. The Bible says that the entire Godhead indwelt Jesus bodily. He claimed before the Jews to be the God of the Old Testament, and they attempted to stone Him. This happened more than once. He made claims to titles that were claimed by God in the Old Testament. He also claimed to have been the God that spoke to the prophets.

Jesus is the one, and the only God to have ever truly existed at any time.

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[QUOTE=Jay;1121795]
[B]Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 To whom, though himself in the form of God, it did not seem that to take for oneself was to be like God;
Php 2:7 But he made himself as nothing, taking the form of a servant, being made like men;
Php 2:8 And being seen in form as a man, he took the lowest place, and let himself be put to death, even the death of the cross.

The writers made a mistake?

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

No,it is the translators who are mistaken...The disciples understood very clearly who Jesus claimed to be..the Son of God..

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Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


We too as Christians can be filled with all the fulness of God.Everything God wanted to demonstrate or make known to man He did it through his son the Lord Jesus Christ..{Hebrews 1:1-2}

The Jews were not looking for a Messiah who was God..but a man from the loins of David,a promise seed of woman.If Jesus was MORE than a man He would not be the true Messiah.David did not think the Messiah was God but rather his lord,his descendant..Psalm 110:1..ADONAI said unto my Adoni..the LORD GOD said unto my lord Messiah,master...sit on my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool..

The JESUS of the Bible had a beginning,He was human in ALL points nothing more added,He was perfect sinless and highly exalted and given a name above all..He did not exist prior to Bethlehem,He was created,fashioned in the womb of a virgin.The "begots" in the NT are there for a reason they clearly show the lineage of how Messiah traces back to Adam..The Jews were not looking for God to become a man,careful reasoning from the scriptures clearly can point this out but If we read with only a certain pair of glasses we will not see nothing BUT what our lens portray..to many times we see what we want to see and make it mean what we want to make it mean..The Gospel is not about God coming to earth to redeem man,but rather God creating and raising up and giving his one and only unique human Son to be the 2nd Adam.

If a perfect sinless MAN brought sin into the world

A perfect sinless MAN would qualify to take sin out of the world

We seem to not grasp how a human being can be perfect and sinless,We think only God could do such.We are limiting God our Father with this reasoning.


Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

This man called the servant of God would be anointed and appointed like no other.God promised to raise up unto David someone from his own loins..from the seed of David..to fulfill the promise to David...

The disciples understood Jesus was that servant,that man,the Messiah,the Son of God..the one who God sent...


Act 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
Act 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Thy Holy CHILD..servant..whom you have anointed..


Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Like Moses..was Moses 100% man 100% God?

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

What part of the human race was 100% man 100% God?

Can we dare twist scripture? If we say Jesus was more than a man..we are doing just that..We can say Jesus was perfect sinless man,anointed appointed and highly exalted by his God and Father...thus Jesus was not just a 'mere man"..