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Digging4Truth 12-18-2011 10:05 AM

Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingrich
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx1kH39IOLs

Jermyn Davidson 12-18-2011 07:36 PM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
If I vote for Gingrich, it will be as I turn my nose away from his hypocritical stench.

Gingrich has SERIOUS credibility issues.

Digging4Truth 12-19-2011 09:41 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1121946)
If I vote for Gingrich, it will be as I turn my nose away from his hypocritical stench.

Gingrich has SERIOUS credibility issues.

So no Ron Paul for you?

Jason B 12-19-2011 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
If I vote for Gingrich, it will be as I turn my nose away from his hypocritical stench.

Gingrich has SERIOUS credibility issues.

Yet you constantly defend Obama?

Dagwood 12-20-2011 06:10 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122070)
So no Ron Paul for you?

Although you didn't direct this question to me, I'll chime in. Paul is looking brighter and brighter on my radar...

I just laugh every time I see how the news media manipulates and presents those things called "polls."

Dagwood 12-20-2011 06:12 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
And, speaking of Glenn Beck, I believe he's moving to the Dallas area. He's been in the news recently. First, he was interested in buying/expanding the former Gateway Church facility in Southlake. But, at last check, he's supposed to be heading to Irving instead...

Digging4Truth 12-20-2011 06:27 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122277)
Although you didn't direct this question to me, I'll chime in. Paul is looking brighter and brighter on my radar...

I just laugh every time I see how the news media manipulates and presents those things called "polls."

Yeah...

There was one a little while back and when reporting on the results they said (and I can't remember the names) Candidate A came in first... Candidate C & D pulled up 3rd & 4th.

You know what that means?

Ron Paul came in second. But they deliberately didn't even mention his name.

Dagwood 12-20-2011 07:43 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122286)
Yeah...

There was one a little while back and when reporting on the results they said (and I can't remember the names) Candidate A came in first... Candidate C & D pulled up 3rd & 4th.

You know what that means?

Ron Paul came in second. But they deliberately didn't even mention his name.

Meanwhile, in other news...

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.c...g/?ref=opinion

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 07:59 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122306)

Logically.....and putting it into perspective.

Quote:


Ron Paul’s Ascent Won’t Last, or Help His Cause


It is possible that Paul will come in first in a fractured field in the Iowa caucuses: Those caucuses reward intensity of support, which he certainly has. The notion that he will be the Republican nominee is too absurd to spend a moment contemplating.

If he were to help the reelection of President Barack Obama by splitting the Republican vote, the party would probably hold it against his son and ally, Rand Paul, who is in his first year as a Republican senator from Kentucky and is widely considered more politically talented than his father. Does the elder Paul want to take that risk?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...h-ponnuru.html

Digging4Truth 12-20-2011 08:07 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1122308)
Logically.....and putting it into perspective.

Yes.

Thanks for quoting for us the words of those who tell the followers what to think.

They said the same thing about Ronald Reagan.

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 08:23 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122310)
Yes.

Thanks for quoting for us the words of those who tell the followers what to think.

They said the same thing about Ronald Reagan.

Digging,
Of all the supporters on-line that are the worst, Ron Paul has them. O'Reilly had to disqualify him from a poll because his supporters get on-line and slam all the polls. How dishonest is that? His supporters are a real big turn off to me. Someone said that if they bother you, tell them you are reporting and turning them in under the Patriot Act - they will then take their tin-foil hats and go home. LOL!

But, we are in the same boat, supporting different candidates - the media is against them both. The GOP Establishment wants Romney. They don't want anything to change.

I will agree with Glenn, although he is not endorsing Ron Paul - I would take Ron Paul over Gingrich any day.

Dagwood 12-20-2011 08:27 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
I'm not a Rachel Maddow viewer, let alone much of a CNN viewer. However, I found this interesting article on Paul...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/2...-gop-politics/

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 08:50 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122316)
I'm not a Rachel Maddow viewer, let alone much of a CNN viewer. However, I found this interesting article on Paul...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/2...-gop-politics/

Sound like something Maddow would say. She makes it sound sinister so that they can be free to do whatever - marry their dog next.

"Things like forced, mandatory drug testing by the government and federal regulation of every marriage in the country.”

Libertarians, for the most part, are not conservatives.

Digging4Truth 12-20-2011 08:54 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Ugh... don't they love that word "Isolationism". He isn't an isolationist. But they keep saying it and the sheeple eat it up like fresh greens.

One thing she had right was this... Ron Paul is what the Republicans say they are. Republicans don't like it when they see their party platform in action. They like to talk one line and then walk another.

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 08:58 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122326)
Ugh... don't they love that word "Isolationism". He isn't an isolationist. But they keep saying it and the sheeple eat it up like fresh greens.

One thing she had right was this... Ron Paul is what the Republicans say they are. Republicans don't like it when they see their party platform in action. They like to talk one line and then walk another.

The only good thing that will come out of Ron Paul is that he will make the Caucuses irrelevant.

Twisp 12-20-2011 09:02 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
It has been humorous listening to Rush lately. As soon as Paul started a surge, or looked like he might have a good chance to win in IA, Rush started raking him over the coals. Never said much about him before.

Dagwood 12-20-2011 09:10 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1122324)
Sound like something Maddow would say. She makes it sound sinister so that they can be free to do whatever - marry their dog next.

"Things like forced, mandatory drug testing by the government and federal regulation of every marriage in the country.”

Libertarians, for the most part, are not conservatives.

Not conservative by what measure or definition? Socially/morally? Financially? Just wondering...

Dagwood 12-20-2011 09:13 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122326)
Ugh... don't they love that word "Isolationism". He isn't an isolationist. But they keep saying it and the sheeple eat it up like fresh greens.

One thing she had right was this... Ron Paul is what the Republicans say they are. Republicans don't like it when they see their party platform in action. They like to talk one line and then walk another.

It was easy for me to adapt that label for Paul...when I let the media play on my thinking, emotions, and decisions.

Now, I just laugh when I hear the term. As if "isolationism" is a bad thing, politically speaking. After what I've seen come about from previous presidents, I'm not opposed to removing ourselves from foreign countries to protect our own...

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 09:17 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
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Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122332)
Not conservative by what measure or definition? Socially/morally? Financially? Just wondering...

I think the Libertarians overlap with the Republicans on financial/economic issues and with the Democrats on social issues.

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 09:18 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
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Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122333)
It was easy for me to adapt that label for Paul...when I let the media play on my thinking, emotions, and decisions.

Now, I just laugh when I hear the term. As if "isolationism" is a bad thing, politically speaking. After what I've seen come about from previous presidents, I'm not opposed to removing ourselves from foreign countries to protect our own...

It was totally retarded of him to say that Michelle Bachmann hates Muslims on the Jay Leno program. AND that Rick Santorum hates gays. Ignorant is the nicer word I could use for him. He needs to retire.

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 09:49 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1122335)
It was totally retarded of him to say that Michelle Bachmann hates Muslims on the Jay Leno program. AND that Rick Santorum hates gays. Ignorant is the nicer word I could use for him. He needs to retire.

Well? Do ya'll think that was funny or right of him to say those things?

Jermyn Davidson 12-20-2011 09:51 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1122154)
Yet you constantly defend Obama?

Ok, so what kind of credibility issues does Obama have?

Digging4Truth 12-20-2011 10:21 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1122335)
It was totally retarded of him to say that Michelle Bachmann hates Muslims on the Jay Leno program. AND that Rick Santorum hates gays. Ignorant is the nicer word I could use for him. He needs to retire.

Did he use the word hates?

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 10:25 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1122353)
Did he use the word hates?

Clip is available on the link. Apparently, he thinks he is funny.

Quote:

On Bachmann, the Texas congressman said: “She doesn’t like Muslims, she hates Muslims, she wants to go get them.”

“Wow, okay, that’s not good,” Leno said.

And Santorum?

“Gay people and Muslims,” Paul answered.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-...hates-muslims/

Jason B 12-20-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok, so what kind of credibility issues does Obama have?

Seriously?!! I'm not even going to waste my time investing in a long post. Start with you tube "obama 7 lies in under 2 minutes". Keep drinking the Obama kool aid JD :koolaid

Jason B 12-20-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
It was totally retarded of him to say that Michelle Bachmann hates Muslims on the Jay Leno program. AND that Rick Santorum hates gays. Ignorant is the nicer word I could use for him. He needs to retire.

I think it was completely uncalled for. In 2008 I liked Paul more than the others even though he had no chance to win. But I find myself liking him less and less. If the race was between Paul and Obama I almost think I'd stay home, no sure who would be worse.

It seems like Paul and Bachmann are content to kill everyone elses chances against Obama, since they don't stand achance. His shot on Bachmann was low but she kind of deserved it the way she has attacked the other candidates. It was in really poor taste that he said such a thing about Santorum. All this backbiting within reminds me of the "church".

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 09:57 PM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1122448)
I think it was completely uncalled for. In 2008 I liked Paul more than the others even though he had no chance to win. But I find myself liking him less and less. If the race was between Paul and Obama I almost think I'd stay home, no sure who would be worse.

It seems like Paul and Bachmann are content to kill everyone elses chances against Obama, since they don't stand achance. His shot on Bachmann was low but she kind of deserved it the way she has attacked the other candidates. It was in really poor taste that he said such a thing about Santorum. All this backbiting within reminds me of the "church".

I agree. I don't know where Paul is at these days in his mind. I still wouldn't vote for Obama though.

I guess I agree, to an certain extent, that Bachmann got what was coming to her. Some of her attacks were beneficial for highlighting things that needed to be highlighted, but then, she crossed the line on others.

Some of the things she was railing against, in-state tuition, are part of her past. The Senate in Minnesota passed a similar measure in 2005. So, she's been a little hypocritical.

She has also been hypocritical on the Gardasil issue with Perry. The Hep B vaccine in her state doesn't even afford an opt out. Texas has an opt out on all vaccines. The EO Perry signed was only putting it on the vaccine schedule so the insurance companies would pick it up and make it more affordable for those that wanted it. But, at the end, not one shot was given in Texas. It started with a report of Texas being among several states with the highest percentage of cervical cancer. So, Perry was correct, his wife being a nurse, he hates cancer and wanted to do something about it.

Anyway, Bachmann has been a hypocrite on many issues.

Pressing-On 12-20-2011 10:02 PM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
This is just too funny!!! :toofunny
Quote:

December 20, 2011
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Drivers heading down Route 1 in Pennsylvania can see the billboard: A giant picture of Gingrich with text that reads, “Faithful Republican, Unfaithful Husband. Welcome to the Ashleymadison.com era.”

Ashleymadison.com is an an online dating site for people who are already married. It’s motto: “Life is short. Have an affair.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/on...#ixzz1h8tM0BmN

Dagwood 12-21-2011 06:31 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1122448)
I think it was completely uncalled for. In 2008 I liked Paul more than the others even though he had no chance to win. But I find myself liking him less and less. If the race was between Paul and Obama I almost think I'd stay home, no sure who would be worse.

It seems like Paul and Bachmann are content to kill everyone elses chances against Obama, since they don't stand achance. His shot on Bachmann was low but she kind of deserved it the way she has attacked the other candidates. It was in really poor taste that he said such a thing about Santorum. All this backbiting within reminds me of the "church".

Please tell me you're not being swayed by the media bias, are you? I've seen too many comments against Paul but have yet to see one response that causes a stir within me to reconsider voting for him. I haven't made my mind up, but he's been on my radar for some time now...

Jason B 12-21-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwood

Please tell me you're not being swayed by the media bias, are you? I've seen too many comments against Paul but have yet to see one response that causes a stir within me to reconsider voting for him. I haven't made my mind up, but he's been on my radar for some time now...

No I'm not swayed by the media. I've watched at least 4 of these debates full length and saw the clip with Paul. Plus been following him politically since 2007. His stock is way down IMO.

RevDWW 12-21-2011 08:15 PM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Have any of you paid attention to Ron's foreign policy?

Or paid attention to what his supporters say?

Dagwood 12-22-2011 06:08 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 1122858)
Have any of you paid attention to Ron's foreign policy?

Or paid attention to what his supporters say?



Another media-swayed person, are you? So, what's the deal with his foreign policy?

And just what do his supporters say?

Dagwood 12-22-2011 06:24 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1122839)
No I'm not swayed by the media. I've watched at least 4 of these debates full length and saw the clip with Paul. Plus been following him politically since 2007. His stock is way down IMO.

The clip of Paul? If you have a link, I'd be interested in viewing it.

He's been around for as long as many of us on this forum have been, if not longer. For the last 30-something years in politics alone, his message has been consistent on what can bring liberty to every American citizen. He's spoken about things that have come to pass as a result of not keeping personal liberty in our best interest, not to make him out to be any kind of political "prophet" or whatever. But, so many people nail him on his foreign policy. For what?

I honestly believe Americans have been brainwashed (from the political mothership, the nanny, big brother, etc) into thinking going to war with another country is among the first things we should do when another country isn't behaving. Absolute nonsense...

RevDWW 12-22-2011 07:22 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 1122858)
Have any of you paid attention to Ron's foreign policy?

Or paid attention to what his supporters say?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122916)
Another media-swayed person, are you? So, what's the deal with his foreign policy?

And just what do his supporters say?


I may have to backtrack on my original post.

I need to look into his foreign policy views a bit more. I did find this interesting:
http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/ron-paul/b13303#19

As to some of his supporters: I can not agree with the legalization of pot for one thing.

RevDWW 12-22-2011 07:27 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwood (Post 1122921)
..........But, so many people nail him on his foreign policy. For what?

I honestly believe Americans have been brainwashed (from the political mothership, the nanny, big brother, etc) into thinking going to war with another country is among the first things we should do when another country isn't behaving. Absolute nonsense...

I don't know anyone that wants to go to war first thing. War should only be prosecuted when diplomatic means can not solve a violent/threatening issue.

Dagwood 12-22-2011 09:37 AM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 1122932)
I may have to backtrack on my original post.

I need to look into his foreign policy views a bit more. I did find this interesting:
http://www.cfr.org/experts/world/ron-paul/b13303#19

As to some of his supporters: I can not agree with the legalization of pot for one thing.

The pot legalization issue is something I'm still pondering. In my citizens' police academy class, we were told pot is considered to be a gateway drug. Supposedly, once someone tries it, they like it, and want something more. I don't know since I've never smoked it, let alone smoke a cigarette. I can't say whether it is a gateway drug to others far worse or not...

However, when speaking of the fact that alcohol is legal makes me almost want pot legalized since its immediate effects are opposite to that of alcohol in general (just my observation).

Do we ever hear in the news media (not that they are all that reliable, but FWIW) that pot was found to be the reason someone killed another person in a car wreck or walking down the sidewalk? No, because of it's more reputable calming effects as opposed to alcohol's more reputable raging effects. Yet, alcohol is still legal...

From a financial/spending standpoint, is the war on drugs, specifically marijuana, worth the cost when what's anticipated as an outcome (to reduce drug use and trafficking) isn't what we're seeing? If it was, then there would be no need for the drug war against pot. As for the other more serious drugs, all the more reason to secure our borders to reduce the easiness of them from creeping into our streets and homes. Mexico is not the main source for the worse drugs. Afghanistan is. Regardless, secure borders would likely reduce the drug war and its associated financial mess in trying to stop them from entering in...

Digging4Truth 12-22-2011 01:51 PM

Re: Glenn Beck: I'll Take Ron Paul Over Newt Gingr
 
Do remember that the "pot legalization" thing revolves around the federal governments intrusion into state issues. Individual states can do what they want. What we are talking about is whether this is a federal issue or not.

When people hear RP is wanting to get rid of the Department of Education, for instance, they say "What will we do about schools?" etc. The deal is this. There are plenty of ways to handle education where it should be handled... on a state & local level. Getting rid of the Deartment of Education only removes the federal government from the equation.

The same goes with pot legalization. States can make their own laws. But the federal government is finally out of the picture.


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