Finally, Oneness-Trinity debate is settled!
 

The debate is over. A winner is declared. An eyewitness has settled it, once and for all.

I know you will welcome this news, as you can all stop arguing about how many persons God is. Both sides can now devote all their energy to spreading the Good News. You are united! Finally!

The eyewitness? A four-year-old boy went to heaven and saw for himself, and brings back his first-hand account. It turns out God is three persons, after all. Colton saw the throne of God, with the Father sitting on it. (He's reeeeeeally big, Colton tells us.) And he saw Jesus on the right hand of the Father. And he saw the Holy Spirit, who was hard to describe. Kind of blue, Colton tells us.

So now you can all breathe a sigh of relief. The war is over. Uh, sorry you guys (most of you) were on the losing side, but I am sure the winners are ready to go to battle with you, side by side now, against the forces of evil. :D

It's all documented right here: http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Li.../dp/0849946158. :D

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The Holy Spirit is blue? Like a fog or what?

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I haven't finished the book, so maybe there's more, but that's all he said so far.

"Hmm, that's kind of a hard one . . . he's kind of blue."

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"Told by the father, but often in Colton's own words, the disarmingly simple message is heaven is a real place, Jesus really loves children, and be ready, there is a coming last battle."

Told by the father ? Who is also a pastor ? Hmmmm. Coming last battle ? So God showed a four year old, not love and peace and salvation, but the coming Armageddon ? Hmmmm.

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He came back with a message to BE READY! You Pentecostals used to believe in this kind of stuff.

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Oh, he talked about love and salvation, too. One of my "favorite" parts is when little Colton makes a fuss demanding to know whether a man who just died had Jesus in his heart, because you can't get into heaven if you don't have Jesus in your heart! This was before the man's funeral, probably in the hearing of the man's family.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Papasmurf1.jpg

Doesn't everyone ?

Did he enlighten us as to HOW we get Jesus in our hearts ? That would be really helpful.

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Not yet. I'll let you know when (if) I find out. ;)

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But only for the non-preterists! I'll let you know if Colton tells us who's right about that, too. :lol

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Not this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Papasmurf1.jpg







This:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...52174538_s.gif

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Could be! :)

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It could have been a Hooloovoo.

According to the Hitchhikers Guide, "A Hooloovoo is a hyperintelligent shade of the colour blue."

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I didn't read where it says he saw three persons

He describes the horse that only Jesus could ride, about how "reaaally big" God and his chair are, and how the Holy Spirit "shoots down power" from heaven to help us.

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Oh, sorry, it's not at the link. It's in the book.

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"and how the Holy Spirit "shoots down power" from heaven to help us."
I'm not OP, but this comment makes me question the experience (not having read the book yet-I plan to, though).
My understanding is the the Holy Spirit works THROUGH us-not shooting power DOWN from heaven.
Just my initial thought.

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So the Holy Spirit is blue?
like smoke?

Is that where we get the expression "Holy Smoke" from?

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But you know what Sam, I have heard well meaning people speak about a "blue haze" appearing. ????? Not saying I believe it ...... just never saw it!

Been Thinkin

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maybe the "blue haze" was from some of the preachers' kids smoking pot behind the platform while their dad's were out on the platform. Another explanation is that it was a dust cloud that got kicked up from people dancing and stomping on carpet.

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Man, who knows! Oh yeah, that's right, "only God knows!"

BT

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According to Corinthians it is not until death is defeated that God will be all in all.. another words the Son is both in the midst of the throne and is our mediator. So God would be both the one of the Throne and the lamb with seven eyes..

Did he say Jesus had seven eyes?

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1 Tim 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

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No. Colton saw this picture and said "that one’s right":

http://shroudofturin.files.wordpress...eofpeace13.jpg

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Jesus also has a purple sash. :D

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So did he change his feet like brass and eyes like fire?

Colton probably saw what God intended Him to see...

It has not entered into the hearts of man what he is preparing for us

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Finished the book. Sorry, but Colton has left us in the dark, on this question.

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care to finish the verse?

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so... what did you learn?

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Learn? That's an interesting question, since I am very doubtful about many aspects of the story. I'm sure the general story, as written, was fairly accurate -- a ruptured appendix, misdiagnosed at first, surgeries, etc. But if Colton saw heaven, as his father claims, it was almost certainly a dream, and almost certainly not an actual visit by his spirit, and almost certainly not a divinely-given dream.

It's interesting that the dad/author often tells of being careful not to plant ideas in Colton's mind, only asking open questions, etc. (Admitting he goofed once, in that regard.) But I'm skeptical about even that aspect of the story. Some believers are, ahem, less than credible, when it comes to tales of supernatural events. It's possible this man is being honest, and it's also possible he has stretched the truth beyond the breaking point. Colton being only 4 years old at the time, it's easy enough to imagine he has both fuzzy and maleable memories now, several years later -- interview him and he'll very likely either verify everything in the book or simply have no memory of some of it.

There were some "fishy" things, as most of these kinds of stories have. Not that this disproves anything. E.g., in explaining why they waited so long to write a book about this, one reason (among other, more reasonable reasons he listed) was that they (the mom and dad) just couldn't believe that anyone would want to read about (paraphrasing here) little ole "us". Pfft. False humility is worse than blatant pride, if you ask me. ;)

Anyway, what did I learn? If I were to take the book at face value, I suppose it was new to me that the Holy Spirit is kind of blue, and that he sends power down to preachers who need help with their sermons. :lol

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List some of the "fishy" things!!

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OK. Mentioned some already, perhaps without identifying them as fishy: power beaming down from the HS is a good one. Another is that Colton "saw" his father doing battle with a sword against monsters. Dad figures this is a peek into the future at Aramageddon. Time works differently in heaven, you see. Fishy: real monsters in real battle, with real swords? :blink

Here's something interesting, though not sure I'd call it fishy: he saw his sister that died in the womb. It's interesting because it implies that aborted and miscarried fetuses and embryos will all make it to heaven. And that implies that the vast majority of heaven's residents will be people who never lived and breathed on planet Earth. And I mean vast! There are more souls, by some estimates, in that category than people who have been born, first of all. Secondly, the way is narrow and few will find it, so the count of formerly walking/breathing folks will be that much smaller.

I guess that is a bit fishy, though, come to think of it. Well, most AFFers might not think so, but I think it's odd to have things set up this way. The residents of hell might think they got a bumb deal, having survived in the womb and growing up only to find that they guessed wrong about what religion to follow, or not to follow any. Or never to have heard the "good news" at all. They'd be better of if they'd been aborted.

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Bumb? That's from writing while dumb. :lol

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Ha, no--while numb.

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And everybody knows "The correct answer was 'Mormons.'"
(South Park...'09? : )

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:lol

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:highfive

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Good grief.

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:heeheehee

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Oh, my bad. The blue h.s. doesn't shoot down beams... he shoots down power to help us.

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Yeah, still very interesting though.