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Has anyone researched where the 12 tribes of Israel are today?

I know someone told me years ago that they believe the tribe of Manasseh is what is known as America today. And Ephraim is what is known as England.

Anyone heard anything along this line or done any research as to where they are today?

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Sure, a guy I listen to,
http://www.shepherdschapel.com/
has a dvd/cd, you can fish around a little, or just call them to order; don't know if he has every tribe nailed, but he seems fairly sure about Russia, England, some others, and his logic chain is pretty compelling. You'll end up looking for the "ten tribes," however, as they are differentiated from Judah; you'll see.
Peace.

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The 12 Lost Tribes is a myth

Somewhere in the books of the Kings and/or Chronicles it's recorded that when Jeroboam replaced Jehovah worship that many from the 10 northern tribes immigrated to Judah, because Jeroboam built fortresses on the border to prevent the exodus. So the 10 tribes weren't lost. Judah consisted of members of all 12 tribes.

Also James in the NT opens his epistle with a greeting to the 12 tribes of Israel. So even in the time right after Jesus, the 12 tribes were identified.

There is nonsuch thing as Lost Tribes of Israel.

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Arnold Murray... I like the way he teaches.
He believes Serpent Seed, whatevah that is.

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Being that America is a "melting pot" of all races, creeds and cultures, I would not think that we would be considered the lost tribe of Manasseh. I have heard this myself many years ago.

Some people think we resemble Mystery Babylon more than Manasseh.

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

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I have heard of the "lost" tribes of Israel, which possibly happened after the destruction of Jerusalem when all the Jews were scattered. I have not delved into it deeply myself.

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Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Jeremiah 46:28
Do not fear, O Jacob my servant, for I am with you," declares the LORD. "Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go entirely unpunished."

Just a thought!

Falla39

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You think all the tribes are in Israel today?

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Unless I missed it I don't see any search possiblies on his site.

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I believe the current Jewish people are representative of all 12 tribes. There's no way of proving it, but the scriptures I posted are evidence that even after the Assyrian captivity, Judah contained all 12 tribes. "Jew" is short for Judah. This is the name they identified with after Judah and Israel divided. In the end it doesn't matter. The promises granted to Abraham were to his decedents regardless of tribe.

The notion that Europeans are the decendents of the so-called lost tribes is looney history. It's rooted in white-supremacist, pseudo-Christian, neo-Nazi propaganda. It's nonsense.

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Yep :highfive

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I think we are not on the same page here.

Even though the tribes may have lived in the same area they still maintained what tribe they were of. If you talk to a Jew today they will mostly likely tell what tribe they are from.

I know I had a doctor who told me he was from the tribe of Benjamin. So they don't all go by the tribe of Judah, although you are correct in saying that is how they got the term "Jew".

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I don't know that I agree with the white-supremacist comment. If I remember correctly Hitler killed 6 million Jews and the pictures I saw were of white people.

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Really, the black and white pictures were of white folk?

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watching FG's Road to Germany on Netflix

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IF they were not white then why did they have to wear a band on their sleeves to indicate they were Jews and not Germans?

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They would have a dvd and/or cd of the lecture. He has traced Russia, he mentions it a lot, and I'm sure a lecture on the subject is among his media list. I'd just call them maybe, have them send you a printed list-I don't remember it linked to the site, now that you mention it.

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Well, I'd argue that this diaspora of the ten tribes is at least a factor in why you believe in God, and would bet a cookie that anyone reading this, being a spiritual website, has a Jew in their woodpile within the last...ten? generations.

Arnold Murray has recently pointed out a migration over the Caucasus; he is quite knowledgeable on this subject, but you better have the pause button ready if you're trying to follow, lol. I have a media list of his, will post the relevant disc tomorrow.

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Seriously Houston, you can't look at a black and white picture and tell the white people from black people?

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Jews are not black.

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No but you seemed to indicate a black and white picture you can't tell the difference.

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Actually, I believe that the Semitic peoples are listed as being 'white'. When I was younger, and knew less of the Bible, I bought into the doctine a little bit. However, I later came to see that this is nothing more than British/Israelism writ large. It is a delusion and anti-Semitic because it claims that the people that we know as Jews are not actually Jewish.


For the person who mentioned the 'Serpent Seed Doctrine', this is a doctrine that states that Eve's sin was having intimate relations with the devil. The devil was then the father of Cain. Cain then passed on his tainted heritage, and so we have people who are direct descendants of the devil. These people can not be saved.

I categorically deny both of these doctrines as falsehoods and heresies.

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So Jay are you saying you believe all the tribes are in Israel today?

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Actually most Jews don't know what tribe they're from in my experience. What I'm saying is that all twelve tribes remained intact, even during the diaspora. Scripture evidence that I provided says as much. The lost tribes myth is foolishness.

There are European Jews (Ashkenazi) and there are Middle Eastern Jews (Sephardic). There are some other sub-ethnicities within Jewry as well. There are black Jews (Ethiopian). I've seen them with my own eyes on two trips to Israel. However, there is no credible evidence that WASPs are the lost tribes of Israel. Geneticists have run tests on the different strains of the Jewish people and found common DNA. This is of particular interest to Jews because one's Jewishness is determined by your mother. White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants do not possess the common DNA that the Ashkenazi, Sephardic and other ethnicities of Jews possess.

English, Germanic, Scandinavian or other Caucasian races are NOT the lost tribes of Israel! No credible historian, geneticist, sociologist or theologian believes such! Those that do may be intelligent and persuasive, but underlying the idea is a mixture of nutty thinking and anti-semitism.

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Ah well... we're all "Israel" anyway.

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Old Natural Creation -New Spiritual Creation
Old Testament Law - New Testament Salvation
Old Natural Jerusalem - New Spiritual Jerusalem (Church)
Old Natural Israel - New True Israel (CHURCH)

Old Israel under the Law - New Israel fulfilled IN CHRIST (TRUE)

2 Corinthians 5:17

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

Jesus said, MY Sheep HEAR my VOICE and they do FOLLOW me! Those who
HEAR and FOLLOW JESUS are the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD!

Those who are not IN CHRIST are still under the Law. The Law could make
no one righteous. Only the Son could make mankind FREE.

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Sadly, the British/Israel theology also leads to replacement theology, which is partly why the many Christians in Western European countries said a thing during the Holocost. It is a sad fact.

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Galatians 6:14-16

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

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Bro. Jay,
I know very little about British/Israel, except from what little I have heard. That they believe that America is Manasseh and Great Britian is Ephraiam. Not much.

When the two kingdoms split, Judah and Israel, were divided. If all Israel will be saved, it will be Judah and Israel reconcilled. All Israel to me means all of Jacob's children will be saved because of the Cross. The middle wall of partition comes down between any race, gender, servant/master, meet at the Cross. Because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. IN Christ, when we obey the plan of salvation as given in the 2nd chapter of Acts.
After years of regret of seeing their father, Jacob, grieved and the thought of his losing another son. The brothers confessed their sin, Joseph told them
that although their intent was evil, God meant it for good, to save a nation. The nation of Israel.

2 Cor.5:17

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. IN CHRIST, a New Creation begins.

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I hope not, but I can understand the correlation.

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I have done a bit of reading on it, but I did not understand it at first. The teachings I have read about it seem to indicate that they do not believe that the Jews are really the Jews, that the Germans are actually the Assyrians, Denmark is actually the tribe of Dan, Britain is actually Judah (the kingdom), the United States is truly Ephraim/Manassah, France is Ruben, etc.

Over all it is very Caucasion/Anglo-Saxon centric. The Germans actually seem to have similar view during the years leading to the Holocaust. Further, I find nothing historically to verify the case for that position.

What I have found is that the Jewish people have married into various peoples wherever they have gone, and that is why there are some who look more Middle Eastern, European, or African.They have migrated all over the world. Of course, some of this is because there have been people who converted and intermarried with them.

I believe that all of the Jewish tribes have their bloodlines continued in the modern Jewish people. I also believe that they will eventually be able to divide it into the twelve tribes.

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God scattered Israel just like He said HE would do. He would sift them so
fine (as corn is sifted in a sieve.) Can you imagine Israel being sifted fine
like cornmeal among all nations. Seems to me that after being sifted and
being scattered like that, they wouldn't know whose or who they were.

Falla39

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I do agree with you on that. However, I also believe that He was serious when he said that he would call them back to the land of Israel. All twelve tribes (with the possible exception of Dan which as never been explained by Scripture) were living in the territories of Judah and Benjemin. A large migration occured during the reign of Rehoboam son of Solomon. These were given place.

However, the vast majority of the ten tribes were lost to history because they blended in with the people that the Assyrians scattered them among. The only exceptions were those who were sent back to teach the new immigrants to northern Canaan the ways of God. These intermarried and became the Samaritans, a people who were both Hebrew and gentile, and worshipers of Jehovah and idols. This mixture offended the repatriated Jews after 70 years of Babylonian captivity, and was still in effect during Jesus day.

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Doesn't matter whether Jew (circumcision) or Gentile (uncircumcision), bond or free, male or female. But what does matter is that we are IN Christ and have become part of the New Creation, The NEW, TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD!

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

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I hope that you do not perceive me as arguing with you over this, for I am not. Israel is still His bride, and I am glad that I get to be part of it as an ingrafted branch.

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Not at all, Bro. Jay! I do not like arguing but do like to dialogue as communication brings more understanding! I have been dialoguing on AFF since 2007. Before that there was FCF (FaithChildForum and then NewFaithChildForum). I became a member of FCF in 2004. Met many wonderful people on the forum. Since 2007 alone, I have posted over 6800 posts on AFF. That's a lot of dialoguing!:nod

Blessings,

Falla39

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I agree. That is a lot of dialogue. I am now upwords of 1000 posts myself since last year. (Sadly, I think I do more arguing than dialoguing.)

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Old natural Israel (fleshly) - New spiritual Israel (spiritual)

Romans 2:28-29 KJV

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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Jay this is what I was looking for. Where did you find it?

I have also heard that the Cherokee Indians where Jewish.????

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I have a book that was written nearly 30 years ago, I read it a number of years ago, and he explained the position. However, when I started comparing it with the Bible, it made no sense. I am sure that there are a number of books that can explain what it is.

As for the Cherokee tribe, the Mormons were the ones to popularize that. However, DNA testing has eliminated any possibility of them being a lost tribe of Israelite.