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The Holy Magic Hair topic is already out there, but recently on the CBC Facebook site a fellow alum (and someone I knew as a chid) posted her gratitude for Lee Stoneking and would to God that there would be more men "like" him raised up.

I had to respond. A minute ago I was going to cut and paste what I wrote but the thread was removed. Should I have given my opinion?

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Yes as long as your opinon was that HMHD needs to be rebuked where ever it rears it's ugly head.

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It is interesting how many times old time Pentecost does not allow honest debate on important subjects take place.

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Yes.

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I would say that it does not matter as it does not sound like it was up for very long. I would suppose that you could have. It just would not have done any good, just like it does not matter to me.

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Any chance you can remember what you said?

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so, I'm out of the loop, I guess............. Stoneking is an advocate or author of the holy magic hair stuff? I have a girl on my facebook page who was one my girls when I was a housemother at a children's home years ago. I get the impression that she goes to a church pastored by Stoneking? I've wondered about that name. It sounded familiar, but I wasn't sure why.

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Stoneking is not a pastor

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I'll have to check her facebook page and see what it says. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong person.

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M3,

The familiarity with the name is because LS and HMH have been discussed ad nauseam.

LS has told wild HMH stories. His friend, Mrs./Ms./Mrs. RRH has a few books out that promote HMH and clothesline standards.

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Lay your hair over your television set........

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If she esteems him that much already that she would pray for men to be raised up like him then I doubt commenting about him and HMH on facebook was wise. #1 she hadn't mentioned HMH and soo it would appear more like you're just using that to down the man. #2 Any of his followers are going to see the 1% of truth that can be found in HMH and nothing else. In any questionable circumstance they will always then give him the benefit of a doubt.

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Jfrog,

I started this thread to find out how others on AFF would have responded.

This sister and I have communicated more than once about the org...a couple of years ago she needed grace and asked my advice for direction.

We both attended CBC, both were baptized by the same pastor, in fact we have known each other since we were in the second grade. I was quite surprised to see her post what she did.

My response was that until the leadership of the organization refutes his doctrine of Holy Magic Hair then they are as guilty of occultism as he is. I ended my comment by saying that our spiritual authority comes from the Lord Jesus, and NOT from a woman's uncut hair (otherwise it is occultic).
I wasn't attacking the man. I attacked the false teaching. I thought it was tastefully done, not too obnoxious. :smack

How else will people "locked on" to this foolishness even think twice about it if it's not brought up? It is insulting to me as a disciple (or at least one trying to be) of Jesus Christ to listen to some of the testimonies and sermons on Youtube about the magical holy power/authority in a woman's "uncut" hair.
The power isn't appropriated by human effort, sorry.

Not trying to get in your face, Jfrog, just expressing my opinion. What would you have done?

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Some apostolic women don't have enough hair to do that!

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I do follow the uncut hair doctrine.
I do not follow the HMH doctrine.

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Wow, magic hair, seriously. I thought it was a euphemism for something. I wonder did the, um, "magic" part ever figure into this, um...mass...debate (you ever notice that the things that really matter aren't really debatable?).
Anyway, I really don't have a thing to say about this, as I am scared to Google it, except thank you again, God.

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Has the minister spoken of, actually called a woman's long hair,
"holy magic hair?"

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My wife has a personal conviction about her hair,but she thinks HMH is crazy.

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I do not believe either LS or RR ever called it that, but the way they describe it is identical to it being a mystical magical oracle whos very locks are capable of entrapping angels and forcing them to do your bidding, sort of like Parker Brothers description of their Ouija board.

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I respect your convictions, on this, aegsm76.

I had a conversation with one of my kids yesterday about related topic in the same chapter, that of a head covering for women. The principle regarding hair, head coverings, etc is regarding authority in the spiritual realm.

1Co..11:3-10
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

With her head covered- ok, what, exactly does this mean? Does this mean long hair? Uncut hair? Does this mean a scarf or a hoodie? A visit to diverse cultural churches lets you know there is no unaminous opinion about it. So what does it mean? The answer is, we don't know for certain.

not covered, let her also be shorn - Just looking at the text it can be interpreted here that it was NOT a shame for a woman to be shorn. :smack, but there aren't many apostolics that would admit it. So what is the right answer? There is the position that the pagan prostitutes in Corinth shaved their hair. Is Paul sarcastically strengthening his argument for long hair? Do we know what he really meant? The answer again is, we don't know for certain.

For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels - And why, "because of the angels"? What does this mean? This is where LS goes awry. Long hair in his view contains mystical powers. There's enough on Youtube and written about it; take my word for it.
But what does the phrase, "because of the angels" mean? The answer is, NOBODY really knows for certain.

I respect someone with a personal conviction to not cut their hair so long as it remains their conviction. It is their right and their liberty in Christ to cut or not to cut their hair.

To use this one passage of scripture, a letter written by Paul (without chapter and verses in it) to the Corinthian church (a church he started and probably visited more than once) is like pulling a sentence from a letter I would write to some Christians I know in Raleigh, Colorado, or Texas. You couldn't possibly understand the context unless you had been there.

This could be another thread, but imo there's a problem taking passages of scripture that could very well be completely cultural and lifting them from that world if you will, and applying it to 20th/21st Century culture.

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I'm agreeing with your wife, and only wonder, as has just been postulated, if the originators of this HMH thing are laughing at what it has become...yup, getting a strong feeling that this HMH thing, which I know absolutely nothing about, has a truth at its base that is now virtually obscured-hmm.

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If a woman's hair is to be her covering, why is she then compelled by church rules to uncover herself by piling up on top of her head?

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The best I can understand HMH reinforces The Uncut hair doctrine,that's why it's being pushed.

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How sad, how did we come to this point?

The apostlic movement keeps on falling for every wind of doctrine, just because it is preached from the pulpit.

I wonder how far this is going to be pushed. It seems we just dig deeper and deeper.

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I'm finding that UPCI women on facebook are sharing the HMH videos of LS. In the description it says Holy Magic Hair. Oh vey. Even on the biblegateway.com site in a discussion of long hair a person is telling others that she has uncut hair and has done much research. Then she encourages people to look on youtube for lee stoneking holy magic hair preaching.

It looks like people are embracing the term HMH and don't see the mockery in it.

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Preachers that don't address this are doing so at the cost of removing credibility from the "long hair" doctrine. When HMR effectively is equated with long uncut hair on women, the studious will abandon both.

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I wonder if Bro LS has at any time refuted what so many call "holy magic hair",
in any current meetings he's been part of? Has he made any declarations, one
way or the other of all the accusations thrown at him about it?

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I think both his and Ruth's teachings claim affirmatively to the charges that long hair (particularly uncut) carries a special annointing which can protect and heal, prevent adultery etc. I think both have made claims such as laying the hair on sick children, shaking the hair to release annointings and involking the uncut hair status to release angels.

I don't know how they refute this kind of thing. What we need to look for is retraction.

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And I see a lot of this in charismatic circles. the New Apostolic Reformation is infiltrating countless churches with their heresies about angels and 'the blue flame', etc. It's happening everywhere, except the Southern Baptists. The only change they have made in the last 25 years is tongues must have an interpreter (if I am not mistaken).

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no southern baptist preach tongues are of the devil..... a free will baptist probably would say tongues need a interpretor

there is a big difference in the 2 even though they have the word baptist.
Free will baptist do have Spirit outpours in their church

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To paraphrase Adam Carolla, there comes a point where you have to decide the person is stupid or lying.

Repeat a lie often enough and becomes truth.

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I went to a business orientation where almost ninety percent of the atendees were upci members. I noticed nearly all the women had their hair wrapped in a tight little bun. Their hair was above their neck. If long, uncut hair is "glory" why put your hair up?

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This sounds similar to comment Master Yoda would make on the subject.

"If glorious be your uncut hair, why put it up?"

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Indeed.