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The Russians: An attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...9#.TxLYm_kk0a5

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Hey! Don't forget their allies the institutionalized church world of Christianity.
Who tell their followers that the God the Muslims worship is the same God that the Christians are worshipping. They also say it is OK for christians to call God Allah also because it is the same god..

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Ok, this is simply foul. I suggest to each of you gentleman that I can prove that God has many names, to take the last first, and you surely don't need to be reminded that Ishmael was blessed of God, whether you like it or not, or that hypocrisy is universal, and just as you are being misrepresented to them, they are being misrepresented to you.
Especially when you proceed from a faulty premise, that being that the elected leaders of the nation you happen to reside in are your leaders, there in that "Democracy" implosion they have, going on "over there." (in D.C.? your heart?where?)
I challenge any of you to defend why any "vote" you might have, on a piece of paper, is not a vote for Satan. Use Scripture.

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You aren't talking about anything; you are talking about death.

"...we must never forget that even the best political ideology lies under the influence of a "power over" cosmic ruler who is working at cross purposes to God."

couldn't have said it better, myself. Please vote your conscience.

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Yeh, you'r right.:ouch

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The Myth of a Christian Nation Greg Boyd
Awesome from page 1. Been a "voter" myself, in spirit, all my life; not sure what I'll do now : )

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Do you compare Venezuala and Cuba with Russia? Im not at all concerned with these rather insignificant (to our survival) countries. Last time I looked Russia had over 10,000 nuclear weapons. Thats at the moment 10,000 times more than Iran, Cuba, and Venezuala.

If the Russians say an attack on Iran is an attack on them how does it make sense to invade Iran because they get a nuclear weapon? Why did we not nuke Russia because they had nukes? Why did Russia not nuke us because we had them? Why does China not nuke India because they have nukes? Why does India not nuke China because they have nukes?

I say America was a greater nation before we had pre emptive wars. Now if we actually KNEW Iran was going to nuke us it would be another story. If Israel actually KNEW Iran was going to nuke them it would be another story. The guesswork was not very accurate when we rushed to war with Iraq.

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Their leader pretty well says every week, for the last 3 years, that they want Israel off the map.
I take his word for it and believe him.

Don't underestimate south American countries.
During the 1960's Russia was going to place nuclear weapons on Cuba.
It was prevented.
They or others can try to do the same again.
I don't want to see unfriendly dictators with big guns south of the border.
Remember, these people HATE Christianity and are guided by satan.

I don't believe them.
They have other things to worry about, (same things we worry about) like muslims inside their borders committing terrorist attacks.

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An attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow. Why should Russia bow to our will? They are also a great people. The Chinese are also on record that they will defend Iran. To not believe them until its to late would be typical of the modern day American.

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There is a certain attitude that is arrogant, bullying of others. The United states my home country has no right to police the world. We have no right to stick our noses in other business. No matter what I think, no matter what you think this attitude of people like you and me is the problem. We have no bussiness in the middle east!!!!!
Why are we there?????
We allow drugs to be shipped in to our country by drug cartels and allow illegal aliens into America. We should put our army on the mexican border and stop the drug war or hurt it.We should send troops into mexico and kill the drug lords. But do we-No
We need to clean up our back yard first before we tell somebody else how to clean their's up.
otherwise, keep our nose where it belongs.
just a passing thought. I choose not to write my view but write the truth.

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China, Saudi Arabia sign nuclear pact.
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RIYADH: Saudi Arabia signed an agreement with China in Riyadh Sunday for cooperation in the development and use of atomic energy for peaceful purposes, which will help to meet the Kingdom's rising demand for energy and cut its growing dependence on depleting resources.

The signing ceremony was witnessed by Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah and Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao together with a large number of high-ranking Saudi and Chinese officials.

“The nuclear energy cooperation agreement seeks to establish a legal framework that strengthens scientific, technological and economic cooperation between Riyadh and Beijing, while the two sides reaffirm their desire to place the highest priority on nuclear safety and environmental protection,” said an official source. On behalf of the Kingdom, Hashim Abdullah Yamani, president of King Abdullah City of Atomic and Renewable Energy, signed the nuclear agreement.

Zhang Ping, chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission of China, signed on behalf of Beijing.

Another agreement to boost cooperation in the field of academics and library affairs was signed by the Riyadh-based King Abdulaziz Public Library (KAPL) and Beijing University. The agreement will broaden the scope of cooperation between the two premier institutions and allow KAPL to open its branch in the Chinese capital.

Talks between King Abdullah and Wen as well as the two signing ceremonies were attended by a large number of Saudi and Chinese officials including Crown Prince Naif, minister of interior; Prince Salman, minister of defense; Prince Muqrin, chief of General Intelligence; Prince Saud Al-Faisal, foreign minister; Prince Miteb bin Abdullah, minister of state and president of the National Guard; Prince Abdulaziz bin Abdullah, deputy minister of foreign affairs; and Ali Al-Naimi, minister of petroleum & mineral resources.

Asked about the details of the official meetings Sunday, Li Lianghua, a spokesman of the Chinese Embassy, said the talks with King Abdullah was preceded by Wen's meetings with GCC Secretary-General Abdullatif Al-Zayani and OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu. He also held talks with Shoura officials. The talks with King Abdullah covered the whole gamut of bilateral issues and regional development, said another Chinese official.

He said the two countries pledged to work together to promote political and commercial relations as well as boost links in energy, trade, infrastructure, culture, press and security fields.

“China has also welcomed a move to organize a high-profile symposium in Beijing in mid-2012 to discuss relations between China and the Muslim world with special reference to Beijing's relations with Muslims in the past and the future perspectives of Islamic-Sino ties,” he added.

The pledge for a closer partnership was made during the wide-ranging talks between King Abdullah and the Chinese premier. Speaking on the occasion, Wen said: “The two countries strengthened high-level exchanges and promoted mutual trust in recent years despite the fact that international and regional situations became complicated and volatile.” He said both countries have treated each other as equals with respect, and their cooperation has been fruitful since the establishment of diplomatic ties 22 years ago.

“China and Saudi Arabia are both in important stages of development, and there are broad prospects for enhancing cooperation,” said Wen. “The Chinese government encourages companies in the country to take part in Saudi infrastructure construction ventures such as railways, ports, electricity and telecommunications,” said the Chinese premier after talks with senior Saudi officials. He also called on Riyadh and Beijing “to enhance security and law enforcement cooperation, and promote people-to-people exchanges in education and sports.”

Saudi Arabia is China's biggest source of imported oil, and securing energy security was high on Wen's agenda in Riyadh, said the official. China and Saudi Arabia should keep deepening cooperation as China is already Saudi Arabia's biggest customer and the Kingdom is keen to diversify its economic ties, he noted. On Saturday, the state-run Saudi oil giant Aramco and Chinese companies finalized an initial agreement signed last year to develop a 400,000 barrel per day (bpd) refinery in Yanbu, on the Kingdom's Red Sea coast.

On a regional front, GCC chief Al-Zayani expressed his keen interest to boost ties with China further during his talks with Wen in Riyadh Sunday. “Al-Zayani and Jiabao discussed during the meeting issues of regional and international importance with the GCC official lauding China's stance on topics pertaining to the Iranian nuclear program and the GCC initiative in Yemen,” said a statement released by the GCC General Secretariat after the talks.

Al-Zayani also expressed happiness over the increase of commercial exchange between China and the GCC, which amounted to $100 billion last year.

In regards to the bilateral free-trade negotiations, the GCC official affirmed that talks are on track since they were launched in 2006. Saleem S. A. Al-Alwi, GCC spokesman, said Wen spoke highly of the GCC’s achievements in safeguarding regional peace and stability since its establishment.

Saleem said the two sides expressed keen interest to work together and “to make full use of the strategic dialogue mechanism, plan bilateral cooperation from a macro perspective and highlight strategic cooperation for mutual benefit.” Wen called on both sides to build up mutual understanding, deepen political ties, and continue to understand and support each other on issues concerning each other’s core interests and major concerns.

He urged both sides to enhance coordination and cooperation in international and regional affairs, maintain common interests, deepen pragmatic cooperation on energy, economy and trade. Al-Zayani said after the talks the GCC as a regional bloc attaches great importance to strategic cooperative relations with China. “GCC is ready to work with China to enrich and improve cooperation mechanisms in all areas,” said the GCC chief, adding that member states are ready to maintain communication and coordination with China on major international and regional issues.

Wen also met with OIC chief Ihsanoglu and discussed ways of developing relations between the OIC and China, said a report published by International Islamic News Agency (IINA) on Sunday. The two officials also discussed current issues and regional developments especially in the Muslim world, said the report, adding that the OIC underlined relations between China and the Muslim world, which has not faced any problems in the past, stressing on the need to develop the mutual relationship.

The talks also focused on the importance of strengthening the strategic relationship between the OIC and China, and emphasized on continuing cooperation between the two sides. The OIC and Chinese officials also welcomed the move to organize a symposium in Beijing in mid-2012 to address the relations between China and the Muslim world in the context of the past and the future perspectives. The Chinese premier said his country “accords great importance to the convening of this symposium in cooperation with the OIC and the Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing.

They also agreed to establish a trade exhibition at the World Trade Center in Ninshia, to be organized in cooperation between the OIC Islamic Centre for Development of Trade (ICDT) and officials in Ninshia, China. On the other hand, Wen also expressed his country’s interest in supporting development projects and infrastructure in OIC countries, including Port Sudan, Dakar Railway Project and many more projects from the Red Sea to the Atlantic Ocean. The Chinese premier will wrap up his three-day visit to Riyadh Monday morning evening and leave for the United Arab Emirates. He will then proceed to Qatar for a day's visit.
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article563797.ece
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Ok should we now attack Saudi Arabia? Consider this:

The Russians are the ones who built Irans nuclear reactor. I believe they still have advisors there today. China is now going to do the same for the Saudis. Who are the real enemies?

Why are our leaders silent about this? Could it be we dont want to play in the big leagues? That we like to choose our wars with much smaller nations? Maybe YHWH will not allow America to just keep choosing its battles?

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What does God having many names have to do with anything? What does Ishmael being blessed by God have to do with anything?

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They what did your post have to do with "talking about death"???

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BByrd can you please quote someone instead of just posting stuff because it seems like you are responding to someone saying something but nobody seems to know who or what. Your postings are bizarre

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Al-lah is the name of a Afro-Arabian Pagan moon god that may have had it's origins in Ancient Egypt and Cush (stemming from the moon god Lah). There is significant evidence to suggest that the pagan Al-lah diety existed long before Muhammad tried to identify him as the God of the Holy Scriptures. The most obvious evidence coming from the fact that Muhammed's father's own name (Abdullah) means "servant of Al-lah".

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If this was my neighbor, I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabotage his rifle.

I'd make preparations for the attack, for my defense-- enough so to subdue the attacker.

I'm not going to go and attack the burglar, robber, rapist or whoever BEFORE they do anything. Where is the justice in that? I thought Conservatives were against the idea of, "thought police."

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Agreed.

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IF a man had a gun and he was threatening to shoot you, would you shoot him first or wait until after he fires his gun?

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It depends.

Is he talking about it? If so, his words alone are not my justification to shoot him. I would be convicted in ANY court of law for killing someone simply because they convinced me they were going to shoot me if I let him.

Is he reaching for the gun that I know or can reasonably believe that he has in his pocket?

I'd feel justified in DEFENDING myself in that case.

Is it my right to stop him from purchasing or acquiring his gun? No.


If he is pointing the gun at me, it might possibly be too late-- so what am I to do? Point my gun at someone who is potentially unarmed before they can point what they have or don't have at me?


Pre-emptive strikes risk being perceived as nothing more that unprovoked acts of war.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor could be argued as a pre-emptive strike!

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So in this case we wait for Iran to attack us first? That sounds like a bad strategy

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Lol, you guys just sliiiide on down that slope. Here's a little something for after you decide who to nuke tonite (the minute you think anybody is nuking anybody without God's approval):

"The way of living under God's reign is shocking and impractical within the context of the kingdom of the world, but it is the only way that is in harmony with God, in concert with what he is doing in the world, and, thus, the only way that manifests his reign." GBoyd, emphasis mine

Ha, I lied I know exactly what i'll do.

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Was Japan justified in her pre-emptive strike on us at Pearl Harbor?


Historically, America has not been a bellicose nation.

What happened to, "Speak softly and carry a big stick?"

There is nothing pre-emptive about the Monroe Doctrine or any other foreign policy that has guided our nation from then to now (I really wanted to use the word "heretofore" as I hardly get the chance to use it.)

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It can't be good to ATTACK Iran unprovoked either.

We are to be prepared for war and win, but that doesn't mean we are to start the war.

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Well...I believe the taking of any life is a sin, and I can't condone sin. I believe if the US as a whole would get their minds more on what our lord Jesus Christ wants of us, He would provide a way for us to deal with LOST SOULS in a better way.

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Do you believe that there is a time where taking another man's life is not a sin?

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People dont get it. They still think in terms of men going overseas to find in a foreign land. There seems to no realization that our enemies Russia and China dont have to send any troops into the field.

All they need do is send SOME of the arsenal of missles they have. Entire cities can be evaporated in a few seconds. Many cities vaporized before we have time for serious mobilization.

Again its not Iran we need fear.

AN ATTACK ON TEHRAN IS AN ATTACK ON MOSCOW.

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Your posts are bizaare...nobody suggested nuking Iran

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War happens. All empires come to an end. Events take place that supercede logic.

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Ah, ty; I try to make everyone's day a little more surreal. As to part II, and reading the title here, I am simply nonplussed, for like the third time in my life.

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Um, wait-I thought our enemies were "the French?" Just for the record, neither Russia or China is my enemy, ok, God?

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NATO Drills For Nuclear Attack On Iran And Syria
By Tim Earl Of Sterling
1-18-12

http://www.rense.com/

Yesterday I carried a story on a crash between a French Air Force Mirage and a Royal Saudi Air Force F-15. The story confirmed that the Saudi pilot and the two French pilots were safe. Little additional information was available. Today, I am able to report that the two-seat Mirage was in fact either a French Air Force Mirage 2000-D or a 2000-N. Both aircraft, in their later variants are virtually identical and are used for the long-range nuclear strike role by the French Air Force.

This begs the question, is NATO preparing to 'go nuclear' in the coming General Middle East War against Iran and Syria? There are hundreds of allied fighter-bombers available in the Middle East that can hit targets in Iran and Syria. Why bring in the specialized long-range nuclear capable Mirages?

Currently, within the last week or so, the following battle forces have been assembled by NATO in the Middle East. A massive war armada is sitting just south of the Strait of Hormuz, it consists of THREE US Navy super-carrier battle groups: the USS Carl Vinson; the USS John C. Stennis; and the USS Abraham Lincoln. Each battle group generally has four or five Ageis air defense cruisers and destroyers, and usually one to three other destroyers and/or frigates, plus a large support ship and one or two hunter-killer nuclear submarines.

Additionally, there are up to three other large flat-tops, US Navy assault carriers and their battle groups. These include the USS Makin Island with its USMC Harriers and various Marine attack and assault helicopters. The Makin Island has the capability to off load Marine amphibious assault crafts and its battle group is accompanied by the USS New Orleans and the USS Pearl Harbor, both very powerful assault ships capable of launching large numbers of Marine amphibious crafts.

Additionally, the French Navy has brought in its top-of-the-line nuclear carrier the Charles DeGaulle with its battle group. The British Royal Navy has added to its local fleet its most powerful warship the Type 45 Air Defense Destroyer the HMS Daring. The combination of the French carrier and the US super-carriers means that fully one-third of all the nuclear powered aircraft carriers on Earth are now assembled near the Strait of Hormuz!

In addition to all of this, the US Army has rushed into Kuwait THREE combat brigades. Two are powerful mechanized brigades (one from the First Calvary Division; the other from the MN National Guard) and the third is a Army aviation brigade with its vast numbers of attack and assault helicopters.

Thousands of USAF troops were airlifted into Israel along with the most advanced anti-missile technology that America has over the last two weeks.

Both Russia and China have been very vocal in opposing any new war in the Middle East. However, Russian warnings have been very clear, stating that any attack on Tehran would be considered an attack on Moscow. To make this point crystal clear, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces have suddenly begun a 'High Alert Drill' according to RiaNovosti this "drill" involves the latest and most dangerous nuclear armed Russian ICBMs. Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces are holding a series of exercises to practice putting road-mobile missile systems on high alert, SMF spokesman Col. Vadim Koval said.

The exercises involve Topol (SS-25 Sikle), Topol-M (SS-27 Sickle B) and Yars (RS-24) mobile systems stationed in central Russia and Siberia.

“SMF units armed with Topol, Topol-M and Yars road-mobile missile systems will practice patrolling, camouflaging and launch preparation procedures during high alert drills from January 16 to February 3,” Koval told reporters on Monday.]

While the world's attention is on the GOP Presidential race and the Eurozone crisis war clouds are gathering in the Middle East and the entire planet is at risk. A risk that is greater than that it faced almost half a century ago with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Ok, so, we just sit back than and let terrorists take over....

Bible prophesy in the making.