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Timmy 01-20-2012 11:24 AM

Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Persecuted for your faith? Let's hear your story.

And remember to tell us if you rejoiced in your persecution. Matthew 5:11-12. ;)

RandyWayne 01-20-2012 11:27 AM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
You do realize that persecution means different things to different people. To a person in China, it may mean having bamboo sticks shoved under their fingernails. On the other extreme I remember reading a post by Ruth R on another message board a few years back claiming she was being "persecuted" for her stance on holiness (all the others were doing were daring to question on a few things -they were much nicer than many here would have been).

Timmy 01-20-2012 11:48 AM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1130330)
You do realize that persecution means different things to different people. To a person in China, it may mean having bamboo sticks shoved under their fingernails. On the other extreme I remember reading a post by Ruth R on another message board a few years back claiming she was being "persecuted" for her stance on holiness (all the others were doing were daring to question on a few things -they were much nicer than many here would have been).

Yes, certainly. Here's my story:

I was having dinner with some coworkers, and someone asked which of us went to church. I said Yes, and another coworker made an "ick" face and said emphatically "No".

Lame, I know. But what can ya do? As for the second part of the question in the OP: I could hardly rejoice in that "persecution", now could I?

I was deprived. :lol

Amanah 01-20-2012 11:51 AM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
I'd have to say no.

MawMaw 01-20-2012 11:59 AM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Been made fun of a few times, but never persecuted.

I believe though, that it won't be long, before we, as
christians, actually do see some real persecutions begin.

The real question to me is...
will we truly have what it takes
to withstand?

Timmy 01-20-2012 11:59 AM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1130336)
Been made fun of a few times, but never persecuted.

I believe though, that it won't be long, before we, as
christians, actually do see some real persecutions begin.

The real question to me is...
will we truly have what it takes
to withstand?

...and to rejoice?

Dordrecht 01-20-2012 12:02 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
My gut feeling is that if we get REAL persecution in North America,
we'll see a lot of empty churches and back sliders.

Amanah 01-20-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1130338)
My gut feeling is that if we get REAL persecution in North America,
we'll see a lot of empty churches and back sliders.

or more likely empty churches but full house churches.

MawMaw 01-20-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1130337)
...and to rejoice?

maybe not show it outwardly (maybe some will),
but in my heart oh yes...knowing what my final
reward will be.

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 12:11 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1130309)
:toofunny

persecuted? me? what do you mean by persecution, then?

Ferd 01-20-2012 12:13 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Persecuted? no.

I have however found myself in the curious position of being the only white guy in an entire country...and there were more than a few who resented having a white guy in their country... so ive experienced some level of racism...some of it with violent intent.

I do rejoice in the Lord for taking to that place and bringing me thru it. my perspective was forever altered.

houston 01-20-2012 12:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1130339)
or more likely empty churches but full house churches.

Not going to happen.

MawMaw 01-20-2012 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130356)
Not going to happen.

Underground churches then, maybe?

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130356)
Not going to happen.

going to happen, and you are going to help.

Timmy 01-20-2012 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130344)
persecuted? me? what do you mean by persecution, then?

For the question, I mean whatever the answerer thinks it means. ;)

houston 01-20-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130359)
going to happen, and you are going to help.

:foottap

houston 01-20-2012 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1130358)
Underground churches then, maybe?

That's more like it. Every man for himself. Don't tell the choir director, the pastor, or the sunday school director where you are meeting. People gna turn you in for their weekly portion of government cheese.

Leave your mobile phone at home. If you can, find other means of transportation. Do not take your personal vehicle. Your mobile phone and your vehicle will give away your location.

AreYouReady? 01-20-2012 01:03 PM

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I'm probably "persecuted" more for my views, rather than for my religion.
No, I surely didn't rejoice in it because I did not want to be a carbon copy of other people.

I suspect that not too many Apostolics are thrown in jail for refusing to worship idols in this country....yet.

:hmmm

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 01:16 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
I've had some fun poked at me for needing special accomodations in uniforms (skirts only) at work and I've had my hair called a mop :( I have been unvited to a couple of company parties because everybody wanted to get drunk without me worrying about them... But mostly no. I've been loved, cared about, respected even though I was percieved as different.

I do believe that I may live to see persecution of Christians. It is our main impetus for having the farm... so that if there is ever a time that belivers can not buy or sell and are hungry there will be a place to feed them. We've been made fun of for that by Christians and non-Christians alike but I think most of it is good natured... or part of the fear that considering such a world brings.

Timmy 01-20-2012 01:51 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
BTW, persecution from fellow believers doesn't count. (Or does it? :lol)

houston 01-20-2012 02:11 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130377)
I've had some fun poked at me for needing special accomodations in uniforms (skirts only) at work and I've had my hair called a mop :( I have been unvited to a couple of company parties because everybody wanted to get drunk without me worrying about them... But mostly no. I've been loved, cared about, respected even though I was percieved as different.

I do believe that I may live to see persecution of Christians. It is our main impetus for having the farm... so that if there is ever a time that belivers can not buy or sell and are hungry there will be a place to feed them. We've been made fun of for that by Christians and non-Christians alike but I think most of it is good natured... or part of the fear that considering such a world brings.

That's not something I'd be sharing. :icecream

Dordrecht 01-20-2012 02:20 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130377)
I've had some fun poked at me for needing special accomodations in uniforms (skirts only) at work and I've had my hair called a mop :( I have been unvited to a couple of company parties because everybody wanted to get drunk without me worrying about them... But mostly no. I've been loved, cared about, respected even though I was percieved as different.

I do believe that I may live to see persecution of Christians. It is our main impetus for having the farm... so that if there is ever a time that belivers can not buy or sell and are hungry there will be a place to feed them. We've been made fun of for that by Christians and non-Christians alike but I think most of it is good natured... or part of the fear that considering such a world brings.

Where is your farm??:thumbsup

Michael The Disciple 01-20-2012 02:20 PM

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I have been yelled at, fingered, and threatened ministering on the streets. I am grateful I personally have not been physically assaulted at this time. In the Church I associated with in the late 70's (Ceylon Pentecostal Mission) it was not unusual in this world wide Church for one to be killed by Hindus.

Yes the day is coming we in America will pay a heavy price for our faith in Christ Jesus. It is very rare to hear any teaching about how to endure suffering so I think initially many will be shocked and offended and turn away. Jesus predicted this.

RandyWayne 01-20-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130377)
I've had some fun poked at me for needing special accomodations in uniforms (skirts only) at work and I've had my hair called a mop :( I have been unvited to a couple of company parties because everybody wanted to get drunk without me worrying about them... But mostly no. I've been loved, cared about, respected even though I was percieved as different.

I do believe that I may live to see persecution of Christians. It is our main impetus for having the farm... so that if there is ever a time that belivers can not buy or sell and are hungry there will be a place to feed them. We've been made fun of for that by Christians and non-Christians alike but I think most of it is good natured... or part of the fear that considering such a world brings.

I would assume your stocking up on ammo too? (Don't laugh -I'm serious. We started.)

It is also one reason we got our solar panels, with the full intent of adding some manner of battery back up when it becomes even semi-affordable so we can keep our fridge and ceiling fans going during long blackouts.

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 03:45 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1130380)
BTW, persecution from fellow believers doesn't count. (Or does it? :lol)

lol

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 03:49 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1130395)
I have been yelled at, fingered, and threatened ministering on the streets. I am grateful I personally have not been physically assaulted at this time. In the Church I associated with in the late 70's (Ceylon Pentecostal Mission) it was not unusual in this world wide Church for one to be killed by Hindus.

Yes the day is coming we in America will pay a heavy price for our faith in Christ Jesus. It is very rare to hear any teaching about how to endure suffering so I think initially many will be shocked and offended and turn away. Jesus predicted this.

Yup.I am led to say that when you become aware of the tiny persecutions, the ones we all participate in every day mostly unawares, verbal ones maybe, and bring them under control (gl with that), that when the big persecutions come you will better shine like...Joan of Arc going to her fate (where the heck is this coming from, lol) I guess I have read an account that she went...radiantly.

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 03:58 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130385)
That's not something I'd be sharing. :icecream

Why not Houston... I think you might be close enough to benefit :)

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 04:01 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1130396)
I would assume your stocking up on ammo too? (Don't laugh -I'm serious. We started.)

It is also one reason we got our solar panels, with the full intent of adding some manner of battery back up when it becomes even semi-affordable so we can keep our fridge and ceiling fans going during long blackouts.

Yes, being mid to post tribers we are locked and loaded so to speak. ;)

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1130396)
I would assume your stocking up on ammo too? (Don't laugh -I'm serious. We started.)

It is also one reason we got our solar panels, with the full intent of adding some manner of battery back up when it becomes even semi-affordable so we can keep our fridge and ceiling fans going during long blackouts.

Good old car batteries and a converter works fine. Hook the windmill/car alternator up to them, too.

houston 01-20-2012 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130438)
Why not Houston... I think you might be close enough to benefit :)

Well, we may just have to do house church afterall. :) I would not be advertising as I am a pacifist, but ya'll will be fine, locked n loaded.

NotforSale 01-20-2012 05:30 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1130338)
My gut feeling is that if we get REAL persecution in North America,
we'll see a lot of empty churches and back sliders.

The Bible calls us, "Sheep". When sheep are afraid, they run and are not known for fighting.

Don't you think that people are no different when they are threatened? We would like to think of ourselves as strong and courageous, but in reality people can run from the persecution that others boast about facing.

Jesus went to the 1 lost sheep who sought refuge away from the 99, and I think sometimes we might be too critical of those who become afraid when they are helpless and abused by other Human Beings, calling them weak or cowards. I remember being abused by my drunken father, running from him and finding a place to hide.

In life, I think people, whether they are adults or children, they respond to persecution in different ways and most of their reaction to this stress is the result of how they were raised.

No offense, but if someone wanted to rip my toenails out in the name of my Faith, I might not turn the other cheek! And, I don’t think any of us truly know what we would do if someone decided to torture this flesh that feels pain.


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BeenThinkin 01-20-2012 05:40 PM

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Only by "Old Age!"

My Get-Up-And-Go Has Got Up and Went

Old age is golden, or so I’ve heard it said,
But sometimes I wonder, as I crawl into bed,
With my ears in a drawer, my teeth in a cup,
My eyes on the table until I wake up.
As sleep dims my vision, I say to myself:
Is there anything else I should lay on the shelf?
But, though nations are warring, and Congress is vexed,
I’ll still stick around to see what happens next!

How do I know my youth is all spent?
My get-up-and-go has got up and went!
But, in spite of it all, I’m able to grin
When I think of the places my getup has been!

When I was young, my slippers were red;
I could kick up my heels right over my head.
When I was older my slippers were blue,
But still I could dance the whole night through.
Now I am older, my slippers are black.
I huff to the store and puff my way back.
But never you laugh; I don’t mind at all:
I’d rather be huffing than not puff at all!

How do I know my youth is all spent?
My get-up-and-go has got up and went!
But, in spite of it all, I’m able to grin
When I think of the places my getup has been!
I get up each morning and dust off my wits,
Open the paper, and read the Obits.
If I’m not there, I know I’m not dead,
So I eat a good breakfast and go back to bed!


How do I know my youth is all spent?
My get-up-and-go has got up and went!
But, in spite of it all, I’m able to grin
When I think of the places my getup has been!

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 06:05 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130453)
Well, we may just have to do house church afterall. :) I would not be advertising as I am a pacifist, but ya'll will be fine, locked n loaded.

We believe that pacifism is the best example of a Christian. I also know that I would have have terrible regrets at not defending and protecting innocents (children, the elderly) and have prepared for such. I have a gun and know how to shoot it. I pray I will never need that knowledge. God will decide if I do or not.

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 06:10 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1130338)
My gut feeling is that if we get REAL persecution in North America,
we'll see a lot of empty churches and back sliders.

I don't believe this at all. I do not think that the martyrs were really any different than us. God provided the supernatural ability to withstand the pain and death they suffered. No one, save Christ Jesus, will face death alone. He has already done that for us.

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130478)
I don't believe this at all. I do not think that the martyrs were really any different than us. God provided the supernatural ability to withstand the pain and death they suffered. No one, save Christ Jesus, will face death alone. He has already done that for us.

As much as I'd like to think this, Christians are dying for their religion every day. Today really is the last day of the rest of your life.

Titus2woman 01-20-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130486)
As much as I'd like to think this, Christians are dying for their religion every day. Today really is the last day of the rest of your life.

I didn't say we wouldn't die. I said that we would be given strength to face what we must and that we would not die ALONE read without God.

bbyrd009 01-20-2012 08:33 PM

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Amen to that.

NotforSale 01-21-2012 02:54 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
What a man said when he was persecuted and in deep trial:

After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

And Job spake, and said, Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it. As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months. Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein. Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning. Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes. Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.


I'm not so sure that Job was singing the victory or rejoicing when he was afflicted and persecuted by his wife and friends.

live4him 01-21-2012 03:42 PM

Re: Have you ever been persecuted?
 
Ii think I would call this persecution when people of the same faith make fun of your daughter for not beleiving in televsion..or other people making fun of ur daughters for having long hair.. its ok we live for Christ but to be persecuted is gonna happen, well we just move on and shake it off..

bbyrd009 01-21-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by live4him (Post 1130657)
Ii think I would call this persecution when people of the same faith make fun of your daughter for not beleiving in televsion..or other people making fun of ur daughters for having long hair.. its ok we live for Christ but to be persecuted is gonna happen, well we just move on and shake it off..

yes, but when this persecution is no longer attributed to "church," which I see a revolution in at the moment, the Church will see a big...latter rain.


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