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Scott Hutchinson 01-22-2012 01:26 PM

A Alternative Godhead View.
 
I understand that Classical Trinity doctrine isn't correct neither,are doctrines like Unitarism and such. However some of the Oneness definitions of the Godhead still leave some explaining to do and some of them are a bit radical in the way they are worded.

Is there a alternative Godhead view that is more correct than both The Trinity and Oneness views,and should someone maybe be seeking to find a more Biblical view,or at least use more Biblical terms in defining who God is ?

As for me I believe in One indivisible God who is plural in attributes but singular in being and all of the fullness of divinity lives in Jesus Christ.

houston 01-22-2012 03:04 PM

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oneness-trinity hibryd. i'm working out the details.

forgivenson 01-22-2012 03:13 PM

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I believe 'Jesus loves me'. A child can understand this.
Jesus is not a 'trickster'. He is not seeking to fool me or cause me to fail and fall. He is the one who caught me 'from' my fall when the devil/that old trickster was dragging me away to hell. Jesus is not easily fooled, He knows my heart. It was He who called me....by HIS NAME. I am His, and the devil cannot hold me, man can not confuse me and can no longer cause me to stumble with tricky and deceptive words. He won the battle. He won my battle. He did. No man or devil can take away what belongs to Jesus.

houston 01-22-2012 03:16 PM

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what?

Phoenix 01-22-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130825)
oneness-trinity hibryd. i'm working out the details.

I'm here. I have most of the details worked out, however. :) The Hebraic concept of "one" lays the foundation for my beliefs.

Phoenix 01-22-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130828)
what?

What he said....

I've been wondering if it's just me, or do fewer and fewer people actually type in English these days? Maybe typing in tongues is for real and I should pray for the gift of interpretation!

forgivenson 01-22-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130828)
what?

God does not have 'many-heads'. The many-headed beast is man.

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 04:30 PM

Re: A Alternative Godhead View.
 
Ok, well it should be said that God is multi-dimensional "in my house there are many rooms," but also that after you have
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130825)
oneness-trinity hibryd. i'm working out the details.

figured out, what you have just said about multi-headed is true, in a sense, in that one is one, and after that are offices, descriptions of manifestations, what you will. Getting lost in the details, not that the Trinity isn't a pretty manifestational detail. Don't forget to include, in your hybrid, that no man can intelligentify God into any quanta, k?

houston 01-22-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130830)
What he said....

I've been wondering if it's just me, or do fewer and fewer people actually type in English these days? Maybe typing in tongues is for real and I should pray for the gift of interpretation!

It's like that Navajo code, have a few Wind Talkers around here.

KeptByTheWord 01-22-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1130788)
As for me I believe in One indivisible God who is plural in attributes but singular in being and all of the fullness of divinity lives in Jesus Christ.

Amen!!! (Why don't they have an "amen" smilie...") LOL!

But yes, I don't see the Trinity, nor do I really see all the Oneness either.

Houston.... Hybrid .... sounds kinda like where I'm at too...

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130854)
It's like that Navajo code, have a few Wind Talkers around here.

Lol, actually it is the only way that will not adhere to our current way of thinking, if you see what I mean; our collective symbols are not adequate, and so anything illuminating is going to appear...like that. Speaking in tongues, and you then have to test it for yourself.

houston 01-22-2012 04:41 PM

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bbyrd009 01-22-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130859)
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God's nonsense is better than man's sense here.

Phoenix 01-22-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130866)
God's nonsense is better than man's sense here.

But you're making NO SENSE. None. At all.

houston 01-22-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130869)
But you're making NO SENSE. None. At all.

be nice

Phoenix 01-22-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1130870)
be nice

I try so hard..but sometimes I just can't help but fail.

SRM 01-22-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1130788)
I understand that Classical Trinity doctrine isn't correct neither,are doctrines like Unitarism and such. However some of the Oneness definitions of the Godhead still leave some explaining to do and some of them are a bit radical in the way they are worded.

Is there a alternative Godhead view that is more correct than both The Trinity and Oneness views,and should someone maybe be seeking to find a more Biblical view,or at least use more Biblical terms in defining who God is ?

As for me I believe in One indivisible God who is plural in attributes but singular in being and all of the fullness of divinity lives in Jesus Christ.

Jesus said who God was..John 17:3..that they might know YOU {looking up to heaven while praying] the only true God..what is it about the word only do we not get?

houston 01-22-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130871)
I try so hard..but sometimes I just can't help but fail.

:foottap

UnTraditional 01-22-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SRM (Post 1130875)
Jesus said who God was..John 17:3..that they might know YOU {looking up to heaven while praying] the only true God..what is it about the word only do we not get?

The fact that the pseudo-Islamic doctrine of only-human-Jesus denies His deity, as He Himself said He was and is the I AM (John 8:24). Jude declares Him to be our God and Savior (Jude 23), and Isaiah declared that only God was the Savior (Isaiah 43:10-12). So, in line with this, Jesus was God manifested in flesh (1Timothy 3:16). So, please, leave your pseudo-Islamic beliefs out of this.

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130869)
But you're making NO SENSE. None. At all.

And I stand behind every word, lol.
Maybe not sense, to you? What makes no sense? Prolly I can translate.

Phoenix 01-22-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130852)
Ok, well it should be said that God is multi-dimensional "in my house there are many rooms," but also that after you have

figured out, what you have just said about multi-headed is true, in a sense, in that one is one, and after that are offices, descriptions of manifestations, what you will. Getting lost in the details, not that the Trinity isn't a pretty manifestational detail. Don't forget to include, in your hybrid, that no man can intelligentify God into any quanta, k?

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130858)
Lol, actually it is the only way that will not adhere to our current way of thinking, if you see what I mean; our collective symbols are not adequate, and so anything illuminating is going to appear...like that. Speaking in tongues, and you then have to test it for yourself.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130880)
Maybe not, to you? What makes no sense?

That.

Who said anything about multi-headed anything until you did. And what does it refer to/relate to/have to do with? What does "in my house are many rooms" have to do with the Godhead? Intelligentify? Quanta? Yes, I know what you mean by these words...but why use them on a discussion forum?? (and is intelligentify even a word?)

I have absolutely no idea what your second post is about. What is the only way that it will not adhere to our current way of thinking? Our collective symbols are not adequate? ???????

The last post actually seems coherent.

SRM 01-22-2012 07:05 PM

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[QUOTE=UnTraditional;1130877]The fact that the pseudo-Islamic doctrine of only-human-Jesus denies His deity, as He Himself said He was and is the I AM (John 8:24). Jude declares Him to be our God and Savior (Jude 23), and Isaiah declared that only God was the Savior (Isaiah 43:10-12). So, in line with this, Jesus was God manifested in flesh (1Timothy 3:16). So, please, leave your pseudo-Islamic beliefs out of this.[/QUOTE


As far as I know I am welcomed to post here as well as you.Why not just ignore my posts? :yourock

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130883)
That.

Who said anything about multi-headed anything until you did. And what does it refer to/relate to/have to do with? What does "in my house are many rooms" have to do with the Godhead? Intelligentify? Quanta? Yes, I know what you mean by these words...but why use them on a discussion forum?? (and is intelligentify even a word?)

I have absolutely no idea what your second post is about. What is the only way that it will not adhere to our current way of thinking? Our collective symbols are not adequate? ???????

The last post actually seems coherent.

Um, actually, I was quting the "multi-headed" ref, you can see it back there...

Phoenix 01-22-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130885)
Um, actually, I was quting the "multi-headed" ref, you can see it back there...

Actually, I can't. Which is why I'm asking you what you were referring to. If you could quote it for me, it might help.

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130883)
What does "in my house are many rooms" have to do with the Godhead?

exactly the same thing that "multi-headed" does, I was agreeing, while pointing out that for doctrinal purposes there is only One concept, in three that we need grasp, but that experientially God will manifest countless dimensions?

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130883)
Intelligentify? Quanta? Yes, I know what you mean by these words...but why use them on a discussion forum?

To illuminate the impossibility of reducing God to any formula, any quantification, if you will, hybrid or otherwise.

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130883)
(and is intelligentify even a word?)

I have absolutely no idea what your second post is about. What is the only way that it will not adhere to our current way of thinking? Our collective symbols are not adequate?

I believe if you check "intelligentify" on Google in several hours, you will find that it now is : )

Our collective symbols are not adequate, as long as Armageddon is some future event that will occur before eternity can begin for the majority of believers, no.
Understand I AM.

"All good deeds that are prompted by hope of happiness in the next world cease to be moral." Mahatma Gandhi

Titus2woman 01-22-2012 07:48 PM

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Wow... this got weird in a hurry.

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 08:11 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/AGkI7.jpg

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by forgivenson (Post 1130842)
God does not have 'many-heads'. The many-headed beast is man.

bump

Phoenix 01-22-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130895)
Wow... this got weird in a hurry.

Yeah. And I'm still not sure how....

I give up. lol

bbyrd009 01-22-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1130909)
Yeah. And I'm still not sure how....

I give up. lol

I'm curious how it compares to the conclusion of most Oneness/Trinitarian discussions you've experienced?

houston 01-22-2012 08:57 PM

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Titus2woman 01-22-2012 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1130923)
I'm curious how it compares to the conclusion of most Oneness/Trinitarian discussions you've experienced?

Now THAT is funny...

Jay 01-23-2012 01:55 AM

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A Oneness-Trinitarian hybrid would be Dualtarianism (the belief that there are two people in the Godhead). I know that there is an actual term for that, however I do not remember it right now.

Phoenix 01-23-2012 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1131000)
A Oneness-Trinitarian hybrid would be Dualtarianism (the belief that there are two people in the Godhead). I know that there is an actual term for that, however I do not remember it right now.

That's definitely not the conclusion I've reached. :) IIRC, dualism is the word you're looking for.

Jay 01-23-2012 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 1131014)
That's definitely not the conclusion I've reached. :) IIRC, dualism is the word you're looking for.

I thought that was what it might be, but I did not want to get my philosophy and theology switched.

bbyrd009 01-23-2012 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1131000)
A Oneness-Trinitarian hybrid would be Dualtarianism (the belief that there are two people in the Godhead). I know that there is an actual term for that, however I do not remember it right now.

"Lawyer," maybe? : )

bbyrd009 01-23-2012 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1130929)
Now THAT is funny...

Lol, a word to the wise, then.

Nitehawk013 01-23-2012 07:08 AM

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Both models of God, rather...dare I say ALL models of attempting to describe God, will inevitably leave multiple questions unanswered. They will leave "holes" that cannot be filled satisfactorily.

That is because as bbyrd I believe was trying to say, God is beyond human description or quantification. We are doing our best to figure God out, but the reality is that He is beyond our comprehension. Our attempts are like ants trying to understand trigonometry.


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