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First off we have a newbe in our church that just came from another church and the reson he joined our church is because "he said" the other chuch did not "teach the truth" ok first off I don't know of any chuch that does not teach the death,burial,resurection of Jesus which is the truth. I have been around long enough to know what this really means....lol I just hate hearing the term the other Church did not "teach the truth" when in fact they do....lol ok I will get off my soapbox now

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There are foundation truths that make up the whole truth. Few Churches teach them accurately. Many Churches teach the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. That is the starting point of truth but there is much more.

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Well, I have found that it's possible to get an accurate quote of Scripture from others, and have it be completely devoid of spiritual meaning. Seek your own salvation, and all that...

To speak to your and Michael's...theory, I personally got a lot of Christ's death and burial, and very little of His resurrection, in American churches.

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I don't think the individual assemblies responsability to teach every truth that may or may not exist in the World or even in the scriptures. There are basic truths regarding the new birth that are essential to salvation. Other then those truths we are ever growing and ever changing and ever discovering. We won't know EVERYTHING there is about God to know till we meet him face to face.

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LOL well maybe LOL he was LOL referring to some other facet of truth LOL..ready? Ok!

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Could just be God nudging him to find a new outlet? For all my railing at the church, I got set on my path the exact same way, at a church that I don't agree with now. Surely if he had gone to his old church for any amount of time, he learned something there? Prolly quite a bit? Maybe you were meant to show him this, that the change need not be an occasion for griping, but rejoicing.

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The other church was probably glad he left...lol...

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This is SO TRUE and this church will be glad in a short time that he has left them too! And the next one and the next one..... ;-)

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And exactly how many churches out there are rejoycing over your departure?

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Church hoppers normally fight with rebellion, normally have problems with authority. These are the same kinds of people who argue with police officers when caught speeding.

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SO TRUE and are very easily persuaded to believe false doctrine and think the whole world is against them!

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Hmm not sure I buy the comparison. And AB, T2W you are both making the same point, or actually there is more than one point operating here, and we have a lot, actually, wrapped up in this title and it's opening act...

1) Church is a personal choice.
2) One seeks change in areas important to them, revealing where their heart is.
3) Grace can overcome what judgement never can.

And I suggest that when you are able to proceed from the assumption that (I) am a lost, scared child, your little brother, you will then have a better perspective from which to operate in the church-hoppers or any other case, and you might also get to see the truth that this rebel invariably has for you, it comes like from the mouth of babes (well, you can tell they're cousins.) It'll strike you as being an out-of-character profound thing they've just said. But you won't get to hear it if they feel condemnation, so...

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Oh, but come on, be fair; that describes most Christians, in your opinion.
Lol, ok, maybe not so much the "whole world is against them" part. Just see that these are people who haven't gotten their share of plain old "acceptance," no matter what. When they feel that, they'll unclench. You can witness an immediate difference when instead of hedging, defending, you encourage them--you can even encourage someone who is deluding themselves into seeing the truth in the matter; all by themselves, just by your encouragement; doing exactly the opposite of what they're used to. It is a beautiful thing to watch, lol.

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That, or you can "no" them away, possibly after months of fruitless...denial, lol.
Cool, double~entendre. HhuhhHhuh, pretty cool. Always a sign for me.

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bbyrd009 - I have no earthly idea what you are talking about. Much ado about nothing!

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Oh, I didn't expect that was for you, AB...

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:toofunny

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:heeheehee

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Remember this; God does not have rebels with special causes. he unites not scatters, His plan is unity of the body under one God, one faith, and one baptism, at least that is what the scripture states, unless someone has changed that one too.
Oh there's more; One God and the Father father of you all and in you all. Almost forgot that one..

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See also that the Word is a sword, sharply dividing. Revelation will only come for you when you change your mind and demonstrate some Grace, rather than just talking about it.

God can make followers from rocks, and Christ was the ultimate rebel, let us not forget. Unity in the vine does not mean that our branches will be clones, but proceeding from the same belief, that established, codified "religions" by definition will obscure.

The fact that I don't believe exactly what you believe, and vice-versa, does not mean that we both do not agree where it matters, and excluding some rebel because of one's blindness to truth is not God's way, is not Grace.

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It is a funny thing. Usually a man who does not know the truth, assumes that he is the only one who does have the truth.
I have very often thought that what I 'do know for sure'.....is that there is still much I can learn. God has certainly revealed much to me, I am constantly 'seeing' is infinate Glory. However, I believe He is 'more'......more than this person/me is able to grasp. If I start telling people that "I know the truth, and they do not". ..... It is probably a very good sign that I am devoid of any understanding.

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No one church or organization has "the truth". We are all in a process and learning (hopefully) every day. The Baptists have a strong truth about grace, that we as Pentecostals are just starting to grasp. We have some truths that they don't have, but we don't have total truth.

It is the epitome of arrogance to say you have "THE truth".

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agreed.

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AMAZING when you do grasp it!!! :happydance

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Jesus said the Spirit will guide his disciples into all truth. Spirit filled people will be zealous for truth.

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Jesus is the Way, The TRUTH and the Life!

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The Apostle John believed Jesus.

1 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth. 2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health , even as thy soul prospereth . 3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. 4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. 3 John 1-4

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And what is that truth they have that we are just starting to grasp?

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I believe it is very possible that JESUS is able to call all who he will......whether or not He has 'our' permission to do it the way that 'we' will allow Him, and regardless of the 'requirements'......that WE put on salvation.
I like to remember the admonishion (? spelling)...in Job.. "Who are you, to claim to know my workings and all my ways?".
I even have a hard time singing 'Amazing Grace'. "I once was lost, but now I see". I prefer not to think in the 'static' of "I see"....but "I am seeing".......I am seeing ....what God will reveal to me...it is not of me, but is of Him. I am dust.

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I do have to admit I am hearing alot more on grace at my Little Pentecostal/Apostolic Church I attend and I just want to stand up and say...hold on you sound like the baptist...mabey those baptist are on to something if the pentecostals are starting to sound like them..which would not matter to me I don't like religion anyway I just tolerate it for the wifes sake..

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Lol. Not sure most Pentecostals would consider that a compliment...aren't Pentecostals extracted from Baptists?

I don't consider most of what I "know" to be the whole truth in a matter much anymore--higher truth has intruded too often on things I thought were settled inside.

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I like this.

We shouldn't stifle new believers with a bunch of extra biblical rules. The Holy Ghost convicts sincere believers of all things if people are left alone and not badgered over lifestyle clothing and hairdos.

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Amen.