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Interesting Article: The Marks of a Cult
I found this article to be VERY interesting. If you choose to read this please share your thoughts...
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Very interesting article indeed. I find the reference to number ten highlighting what I think is wrong with the majority of the OPs.
10. Out-Of-Context Scripture Use as Proof-Texts/Segmented Biblical Attention: Cults tend to focus on one verse or passage of the Bible to the exclusion of others, and without regard for the context in which Scripture is given (e.g., 1 Cor. 15:29 used by Mormons to justify baptism for the dead). In addition, cults have made an art form out of using Christian terminology, all the while pouring out their own meanings into the words. One scripture I know for a fact they have based almost their entire movement on (women wearing dresses) is found in Duet. 22:5. They've taken that scripture out of the Torah, excluded all the other laws, and based a huge movement on that scripture. Then they take one chapter in Corinthians and base their doctrine on uncut hair out of that chapter, again, that kind of teaching not found anywhere else in scripture. I could go on... and I wouldn't even have a problem with people believing these things as a personal conviction, but then when it is taught as salvational, then that is where the road splits for me. |
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Yup.
Nice, Aquila. Speaks for itself. Hate to post below it! |
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I can respect a person's personal convictions. But I still have a problem with even their personal convictions if they are spiritually dangerous. Paul wrote to the Galatians, Galatians 3:1-4 (KJV)It is a grave error to embrace the notion that one is now made perfect by the fleshly ordinances or standards of the law and/or the traditions of man. The Holy Magic Hair doctrine is occultism. Witchcraft. Why respect one's personal conviction with regards to practicing witchcraft? Paul was this hard on the Galatians for circumcision; imagine how hard he'd have been if they were practicing witchcraft like the Holy Magic Hair doctrine and/or voodoo dolls. And while I believe in modesty and decency, to legislate a certain style of dressing isn't commanded in the NT. Yes, we should have people cover themselves and not wear anything excessively tight. Enough said. We don't see Paul talking about "ankle length" or anything like that. So why should we? Modesty is modesty. Cover yourself respectfully and don't make clothing too tight or provocative. If someone asks, "How do I know if it's decent enough to wear?" Tell them it's obvious that if they're asking the question there is some doubt in their mind as to it's modesty. Explain how this is the Holy Spirit speaking to them. Teach them to listen to the Spirit!!! Since modesty is a Christian discipline and not necessarily salvational, wait until the next gathering and make a few gentle statements about modesty. Mention things that you think are not necessarily modest. Explain how being modesty displays love for your neighbor. Because who would want to incite someone they love to lust? If in a small group, allow everyone to share their thoughts. Conviction will fall on those who have violated modesty. If someone continues to be immodest you might want to address them in private with a trusted brother or a sister by your side. If they continue to be immodest... bring it before the gathering and have a vote with regards to the individual remaining a member in good standing. The vote will reveal the body's desire. As an elder, it would be your responsibility to enforce their will, seeing that you are a servant to the congregation much like an elected official is a servant to their constituents. |
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Although this is not present in every cult it does seem to be the final end game when it comes to ALL of the extreme ones.
15. The cult leader ultimately demands that the married men either give or share their wives with him. He will often cry and claim that he doesn't want this to happen but that god told him as a test of his faith as well as the men he is leading. http://katyakroupnik.files.wordpress...10/03/flds.jpg |
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Once men really begin to believe they are hearing straight from God, and can be corrected by no one else, that is when you run.... run... run... as fast as you can .....
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Goes to show you what can happen when people take their eyes off what Christ did on the Cross.
When "works" come into the picture things turn ugly..... |
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Cults will conform you into their image. The Father desires that we be conformed into the image of Jesus.
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Once men really begin to believe they are hearing straight from God, and can be corrected by no one else, you will see a fig tree bud. I believe these are both true, but for the first, "What is the chaff to the wheat?" |
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Very flawed article.
Here the Apostle John tells what HE considered a cult. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1 John 4:6 If one varies from the Apostles doctrine they are a cult. |
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I can't help but think the OP posted this description with my kind of church in mind...
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I'm sure we can agree that the fruit of any branch can't long be hidden, there, and I see the Church coming into an age where it might even be argued that your quote will more spiritually be adhered to, while possibly not following the characterization you seem to imply. (unless your like a Mennonite or something, in which case I agree with you totally, lol) I think we'll end up at a semantics, or possibly doctrinal discussion about some defs in "The Church is to follow the faith once delivered to the saints," mostly. |
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Yawn...Seen this repeatedly over the years. I have reached the point that this type of thing is actually rather boring and mundane. We can thank the cult hunters for this. The simple fact of the matter is that most people who wish to call us cultists do not know what they are talking about. In fact, many times you can not even get them to see that we use more than one Scripture (many more) to support our doctine.
Again as I said, this is more than slightly boring. If anyone could create a better argument, then I might get interested. |
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Hmm, to that I would say that I wasn't aware of whichever argument you mean? I see a list of attributes of a cult that seems thoughtful at least, and we have Michael, who for some reason seems to dislike it. That's all (I) know?
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Jesus is our example, He has made all the difference. He came to be the Savior of all humanity, and at that He will succeed. He reserved his rebuke for those "religious leaders" that abused the folks, manipulated them for their own power and control, thinking the were doing what God want them to do. But they like many religious leaders today miss the whole point of God's purpose.
Again I recommend every believer to read "Spiritual Terrorism" 'Spiritual Abuse from the Womb to the Tomb', by Boyd C. Purcell Ph.D. spiritual abusers, terrorisers, and killers are clearly identified. Some of it is kind hard to read, but if you will persist you will be enlightened and your spiritual life greatly enchanced. He was kicked our of his pastorate, became a hospice chaplin, read his stories of counseling many at the end of life, dealing with the baggage of lives of sin and of religious indoctrinations of all sorts. He helps them come to understand God as He really is, and to die in peace. |
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"Spiritual Terrorism is about the effect of fear-based religion on people's lives who have been spiritually abused by a negative conception of God through eternal hell-fire preaching and teaching. The doctrine of eternal punishment in literal fire is at the heart of many forms of spiritual abuse and all forms of spiritual terrorism which is the most extreme form of spiritual abuse.
This book effectively explains the symbolic use of fire in the Holy Bible and other Holy Books. The common misunderstanding of the metaphorical usage of fire is the primary cause of spiritual terrorism. Dr. Purcell clarifies the confusion over the Christian doctrine of salvation by grace and judgment which is based on the deeds of life-good or bad. This allows readers to grasp the liberating truth that people are totally free to live their lives but are also totally accountable, at the end of life, for how they have lived their lives. God will ultimately teach universal empathy and bring about perfect justice for all without violating anyone's free will. Spiritual abuse has the potential to affect all stages of life: in the womb, childhood, youth, young adults, older adults, end of life, and bereavement after the deaths of loved ones. Spiritual abuse may also affect all areas of life: marriage/divorce, emotional/mental/physical abuse, medical treatment or refusal of such treatment for self and children, and domestic and international terrorism. All major world religions are addressed: Judeo/Christianity, Islam, and the Eastern Religions-Buddhism and Hinduism. Included as well are Native American Beliefs. There is a theme running through all major religions of God's unconditional love, amazing grace, infinite mercy, perfect justice, and a universal homecoming." http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=KGaKGkg4ZRIC |
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Not sure I'm comfortable with the mix of Universalism here with the death centricity introduced into Christianity at the Councils, pretty clearly (with hindsight) for the benefit of empire builders...
Ya, part 2 "The Solution to the Problem" part 2a "Christian Universalism" So this amounts to an accurate assessment of death centricity, but amounts to a Universalist invitation, and so confuses an issue, imo. |
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Many things. Grace is Gods favor in ones life. If his favor is there you will have a great desire to do what he says. Cults love to teach you need do nothing. Jesus said if we dont do his will he will tell us "depart ye that work iniquity". |
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Unless you believe in their false "Christ did it all once saved always saved theology" you are counted as a legalist works preaching cultist. We are supposed to bring our doctrine to Protestants and allow them to judge by their standards whether we are a cult? WHAT? What about rightly dividing the word of truth? The most dangerous cult for seekers of Christ is the mainstream Protestant Churches. |
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A careful reading of and belief in what Paul taught the Romans is sufficient to prove he did not see men as having immortality, eternal life apart from Jesus Christ. Romans 2:6-7 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Why would Christians be seeking for something they already have? Again its the opposite of Protestant doctrine that is true. Cults teach man has his own immortal soul through which he already has eternal life. |
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1 Thess. 4:16-18 . 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
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