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Michael The Disciple 02-24-2012 11:25 PM

Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49740

by John Hayward
02/24/2012


People who are concerned about the spread of Muslim sharia law into American jurisprudence used to be dismissed as alarmists. That won’t happen again for a while, thanks to a Pennsylvania judge who just dismissed assault charges against a Muslim who was videotaped attacking a man dressed as “Zombie Muhammad” during a Halloween parade.

The judge, who is a Muslim, didn’t even care to see the videotape, because the assault was entirely justified under sharia law, so the First Amendment doesn’t apply. In fact, the beaten Zombie Muhammad should just be thankful he wasn’t killed, because that’s what would have happened in a Muslim country.

The astonishing details, from Opposing Views:

The Pennsylvania State Director of American Atheists, Inc., Mr. Ernest Perce V., was assaulted by a Muslim while participating in a Halloween parade. Along with a Zombie Pope, Ernest was costumed as Zombie Muhammad. The assault was caught on video, the Muslim man admitted to his crime and charges were filed in what should have been an open-and-shut case. That’s not what happened, though.

The defendant is an immigrant and claims he did not know his actions were illegal, or that it was legal in this country to represent Muhammad in any form. To add insult to injury, he also testified that his 9 year old son was present, and the man said he felt he needed to show his young son that he was willing to fight for his Prophet.

Muslim judge Mark Martin ruled in favor of the assailant… and insulted the defendant for good measure.

Martin offered the court a little lesson in Islamic theology, which he believes transcends that silly First Amendment free-speech stuff in the U.S. Constitution:

Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact I have a copy of the Koran here and I challenge you sir to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammad arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else’s religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr. (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society.

Islam is not just a religion, it’s their culture, their culture. It’s their very essence their very being. They pray five times a day towards Mecca to be a good Muslim, before you die you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you can not because you are too ill too elderly, whatever but you must make the attempt. Their greetings wa-laikum as-Salâm (is answered by voice) may god be with you. Whenever, it’s very common when speaking to each other it’s very common for them to say uh this will happen it’s it they are so immersed in it.

Since Islam is, therefore, at the very center of a Muslim’s being, speech they find objectionable – such as depicting the Prophet in any form, much less as an extra from The Walking Dead – “trashes their essence, their being,” and violence is justified, especially from a recent immigrant accustomed to living in countries properly governed by sharia law.

As Al Stefanelli notes at Opposing Views, the judge didn’t even pretend to understand what the First Amendment means, never mind pondering the laws against physical harassment:

The Judge neglected to address the fact that the ignorance of the law does not justify an assault and that it was the responsibility of the defendant to familiarize himself with our laws. This is to say nothing of the judge counseling the defendant that it is also not acceptable for him to teach his children that it is acceptable to use violence in the defense of religious beliefs. Instead, the judge gives Mr. Perce a lesson in Sharia law and drones on about the Muslim faith, inform everyone in the court room how strongly he embraces Islam, that the first amendment does not allow anyone ”to piss off other people and other cultures” and he was also insulted by Mr. Perce’s portrayal of Mohammed and the sign he carried.

Martin went on to call the plaintiff a “doofus.”

In other news, enraged Catholics reacted to the sight of an atheist parading around as the Zombie Pope by stifling yawns.

Praxeas 02-25-2012 12:37 AM

Re: Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
Not surprised. I warned about this stuff happening years ago...let's hold our breath and see if this judge is not removed

Jay 02-25-2012 02:45 AM

Re: Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
Prax, just how long are you wanting to hold your breath. We can help you hold your breath until this judge is replaced, but I would want a waiver signed as we would likely be charged with manslaughter.

Islam is a vicious and violent religion and culture. The reason that they are appeased over the protests of others is because all know that they will become violent if provoked. I wonder how long we are going to sit idle when there is so much work that must be done.

Austin 02-25-2012 06:20 AM

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Just think brothers, in less than twenty-five years there are enough American born muslims that one of them can run for president of the US. A good way to get started is, judge, council member, mayor, representative, and so on.

There will be enough musliums in this country along with the idiots which don't have a clue, to elect a muslim.

America, the tree which allows the fowl of the earth to dwell.

In the OT God commanded the nation of Israel to drive these people out of their land, but they didn't listen, they became friends with them.

It wasn't too long they didn't have a nation. Now that they do, they are still having problems with these same people's decendants from over 3,000 years ago.

bbyrd009 02-25-2012 07:23 AM

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Ok, well that frame just toads the wet sprocket, ok? Sure, there are "Muslims" who feel this way, and they are actively seeking to push this agenda on all, in defiance of Islam. "The Opening" in the Koran makes them liars, and while most Muslims would surely agree with this ruling, that is still not a fair characterization of Muslims as a whole, who as you point out live in a completely different culture.

You would have it that this religion was directed by God to be eradicated from the Promised land, when the Bible does not support this at all, and in fact "Ishmael was blessed of God" makes a lie. We are clearly informed of Nations, Ammonites, Amorites, etc., that were to be ousted, and not Islam, so I find this disingenuous at the very least.

I'd like to suggest that a more accurate frame would be the relentless attempts to reinsert Law over Grace, in defiance of both Christianity and, surprise! Islam, and that you play into diabolical hands, and help to erect a wall with this. Islam is not your enemy--satan is.

That this judge obviously needs counseling from both the Constitution he swore to uphold, and from his religion which he misrepresents is not in doubt.

"Islam is a vicious and violent..."
According to Fox News and the uninformed, surely. I would count many, but by no means most Muslims here.

"It wasn't too long they didn't have a nation..."
Lol, please? This had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

bbyrd009 02-25-2012 07:34 AM

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The Opening
...
7) The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, those whose portion is not wrath, and who do not go astray.

Any Muslim not adhering to this, whether it be one of them or all of them, is not a Muslim, and what issues from their mouths is irrelevant, gentlemen, just like in Christianity. Please get clear who your enemy is.

deafdriscoll 02-25-2012 07:53 AM

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maybe they should give us back our right to pray in school.

bbyrd009 02-25-2012 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deafdriscoll (Post 1141398)
maybe they should give us back our right to pray in school.

Hmm, "they" can't take my right to pray in school, imo, at least not Scriptural prayer.

You seem to look for a Lawgiver for Grace here?

Jay 02-25-2012 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1141390)
Ok, well that frame just toads the wet sprocket, ok?


I have never heard that before. What in the world does that mean?


I agree that Islam was not what God commanded the Israelites to drive out of the land.

The problem that our nation in growing cold torward God, they first turned torward atheism, followed by the occult, and now are turning torward Islam. This is the strength of Islam in that they can wait for centuries when attempting to acheive their goals. They have been attempting to reach this point for more than 1500 years.

houston 02-25-2012 04:45 PM

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Islam was not driven out because it did not exist.


...NEXT!

Sethern 02-25-2012 04:52 PM

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Excuse me, but why in the world would they allow for such an uneducated man to become a Judge? If they are so relaxed in whom they allow to judge over people's lives for a crime they have committed, then maybe I should become a Judge? With no prier experience in law of course. Lol!

bbyrd009 02-25-2012 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1141540)
Islam was not driven out because it did not exist.

Ha, good point.

"Toad the wet sprocket" is a pop surreal expression for...life gone wrong? Maybe; urban dictionary might do better.

Dordrecht 02-25-2012 08:24 PM

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I have been saying for years that this stuff would sneak it's way into North America....and there you go....here it is: A MUSLIM JUDGE.....: I TOLD YOU SO.....WAKE UP PEOPLE, IT'S AT THE FRONT DOOR, SOME IS ALREADY INSIDE!

Jay 02-25-2012 09:37 PM

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Can anyone say Dearborne, Michigan?

When we can not even pass laws that say that our Constitution and laws do not allow for Sharia, then we are in more trouble than you can shake a stick at.

And do not listen to CAIR. They are a worse group of liars than most of those who we generally elect. They have claimed since 9/11 that they would not ever support the use of Sharia within the United States. However, when Oklahoma passed a law banning the use of Sharia with in their borders, CAIR and its foul allies sued. They claimed that it was a meant to discriminate against those of Moslem belief.

Michael The Disciple 02-26-2012 06:22 AM

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If and I say again IF the Lord does not come in the next 30 years I think we will be looking at Muslim America. The birth rate of Muslim vs American will ensure it. They wont have to war against it. They will outnumber us. All they will have to do is pick a candidate and vote.

UnTraditional 02-26-2012 06:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1141666)
If and I say again IF the Lord does not come in the next 30 years I think we will be looking at Muslim America. The birth rate of Muslim vs American will ensure it. They wont have to war against it. They will outnumber us. All they will have to do is pick a candidate and vote.

My brother, the works are already underway. But, we do not trust in governments nor do we hold to men. This nation may go majority Muslim, but God can and will birth great revival, and I believe, just as we see the falling away, we shall also see great revival with the waters of baptism flowing wildly, and a new anointing of perseverance and spiritual strength will come on the believers. Islam may cry like a puppy all night long, but our Lion of the Tribe of Judah will roar louder still.

bbyrd009 02-26-2012 07:15 AM

Re: Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
Well, it can be easy to mis-frame this, imo, and if you just remove the Islamic element here for a moment, you'll have to admit that your Constitution has been under attack for quite a while. If you decide that Islam is your enemy, rather than the re-imposition of Law over Grace, you will play right into satan's hand.

At least understand that prolly ALL of your characterizations of Muslims are coming to you straight from Fox News, ok? Personally, I think the "atheists" brother should have been the one administering the whipping, but that's really beside the point, as is this rogue judge, who will no doubt be overturned.

AreYouReady? 02-26-2012 10:31 AM

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Anytime a Christian judge ruled from his Biblical convictions, the ruling was overturned. We shall see if this ruling will be overturned.

Dordrecht 02-26-2012 04:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1141666)
If and I say again IF the Lord does not come in the next 30 years I think we will be looking at Muslim America. The birth rate of Muslim vs American will ensure it. They wont have to war against it. They will outnumber us. All they will have to do is pick a candidate and vote.

Correct! And a muslim Europe!

RandyWayne 02-26-2012 04:45 PM

Re: Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1141390)
Ok, well that frame just toads the wet sprocket, ok? Sure, there are "Muslims" who feel this way, and they are actively seeking to push this agenda on all, in defiance of Islam. "The Opening" in the Koran makes them liars, and while most Muslims would surely agree with this ruling, that is still not a fair characterization of Muslims as a whole, who as you point out live in a completely different culture.

You would have it that this religion was directed by God to be eradicated from the Promised land, when the Bible does not support this at all, and in fact "Ishmael was blessed of God" makes a lie. We are clearly informed of Nations, Ammonites, Amorites, etc., that were to be ousted, and not Islam, so I find this disingenuous at the very least.

I'd like to suggest that a more accurate frame would be the relentless attempts to reinsert Law over Grace, in defiance of both Christianity and, surprise! Islam, and that you play into diabolical hands, and help to erect a wall with this. Islam is not your enemy--satan is.

That this judge obviously needs counseling from both the Constitution he swore to uphold, and from his religion which he misrepresents is not in doubt.

"Islam is a vicious and violent..."
According to Fox News and the uninformed, surely. I would count many, but by no means most Muslims here.

"It wasn't too long they didn't have a nation..."
Lol, please? This had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

If, as you say, most agree with the ruling, then it DOES characterize Muslims as a whole.

If I criticize Lee Stoneking I don't expect a death sentence on me. If a Muslim criticizes a local leader such as "Mohammad Jazee Ding Dong" they can expect a fire bomb thrown their window at any random night.

So how many hours of NPR do you listen to a day? Or PMSNBC?

Jay 02-26-2012 08:30 PM

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I have lost count of the number of Moslems charged for murder due to honor killings here in the U.S. Further, there have been more than one incident of them mistreating people who walk into predominately Moslem communities and advocate another religion. This has been a major problem in the Detroit area.

bbyrd009 02-26-2012 08:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1141776)
If, as you say, most agree with the ruling, then it DOES characterize Muslims as a whole.

If I criticize Lee Stoneking I don't expect a death sentence on me. If a Muslim criticizes a local leader such as "Mohammad Jazee Ding Dong" they can expect a fire bomb thrown their window at any random night.

So how many hours of NPR do you listen to a day? Or PMSNBC?

That ignores that Muslims do in fact come from a different culture, where even a very moderate interpretation of Islam would have this be a grave offense. However, I've been all through the Mideast and your characterization is just not true. The man was most likely telling the truth, and honestly didn't envision it not being illegal.

That a society would have issues mixing cultures like this is not in doubt. Prolly God's way of burning your religion off you. It's easy to see the lines being drawn tho, so it seems almost useless to reiterate that most Muslims are wonderful peaceful people, if seemingly more zealous for God.

NPR none, but I like it when I catch it.

Dordrecht 02-26-2012 09:49 PM

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Not all muslims are suicide terrorists,
but all suicide terrorists are muslims.

bbyrd009 02-26-2012 10:09 PM

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That is unfair because that is what they are IDing themselves as, when Allah would say He does not know them. A Muslim cannot possibly get past the first page of his Holy Book and justify violence; or for that matter anyone else.

Austin 02-27-2012 05:45 AM

Re: Islamic Law Trumps Constitution
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1141674)
Well, it can be easy to mis-frame this, imo, and if you just remove the Islamic element here for a moment, you'll have to admit that your Constitution has been under attack for quite a while. If you decide that Islam is your enemy, rather than the re-imposition of Law over Grace, you will play right into satan's hand.

At least understand that prolly ALL of your characterizations of Muslims are coming to you straight from Fox News, ok? Personally, I think the "atheists" brother should have been the one administering the whipping, but that's really beside the point, as is this rogue judge, who will no doubt be overturned.

What are you saying when you used the words, " admit that YOUR CONSTITUTION ? Is it not your also??

bbyrd009 02-27-2012 06:48 AM

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It is known by its fruit. Not sure if the "In God we trust" part is in there or not. If it is, why do we even have an Islamic judge? And if it isn't, that is worse. It is not my guiding document, no; and I'm not too impressed with its handling by its supposed guardians. The Bible tells me that satan is the acting CEO of every earthly Gov, no matter how benign, so I'm not losing too much sleep there.

I am an American, Austin, and I love my country. I must admit, tho, possibly since we only spent about 15 minutes on it when I was in school, and I don't even think they bring it up anymore period, that I have never felt very connected to it. It seems to delineate a bunch of freedoms that have mostly been taken away from us now? I am a Christian first, and I already have a perfect document.

Twisp 02-27-2012 07:07 AM

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Yeah, this is not cool. Hopefully this judge is either reprimanded or excused from his position. I don't want any judge usurping our civil laws with their particular religious laws.

bbyrd009 02-27-2012 09:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1141840)
I have lost count of the number of Moslems charged for murder due to honor killings here in the U.S. Further, there have been more than one incident of them mistreating people who walk into predominately Moslem communities and advocate another religion. This has been a major problem in the Detroit area.

Radicalism leading to violence is a problem that is being characterized as religious for a very good reason. See that this is actually anti-religion. Any radicalism, even undue distortion toward a favored doctrine, just erects a wall.

Michael The Disciple 03-13-2012 05:09 PM

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Lets put this back on the front page. Some feel this cant happen. Its already started.

AreYouReady? 03-13-2012 06:40 PM

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Where are our "Christian leaders" who love to speak out about other things? If it were a Judge citing Christian values, the verdict would have been thrown out of court in a split second.

Jay 03-13-2012 08:48 PM

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Christians do not riot and liberate the bodies of their enemies from their heads.


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