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Dordrecht 03-13-2012 12:04 PM
Little boy went to heaven.
 
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/421914.../#.T1-Lhs2JKhc

Has anybody been reading the book??

Timmy 03-13-2012 12:05 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147782)
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/421914.../#.T1-Lhs2JKhc

Has anybody been reading the book??
I've read it. Want my opinion? Do ya? Do ya? Don't ask! :lol

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 12:07 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
Fly at it!

Timmy 03-13-2012 12:10 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147785)
Fly at it!
:lol

I'm guessing you mean you want my opinion anyway?

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 01:15 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1147790)
:lol

I'm guessing you mean you want my opinion anyway?
Yup!

Timmy 03-13-2012 01:44 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147824)
Yup!
OK. Well, to me, the story is dripping with fishiness. Doesn't mean it isn't true, and I believe the events described were, by and large, almost certainly accurate (the disease, surgery, etc.). But a child that young could so easily have been coached -- maybe even accidentally -- that I have a hard time with taking it all at face value. The child may not think he is lying, per se, and in fact may actually believe everything. But the dad, who wrote the book, could, for all we know, be twisting things a little or a lot.

My best guess? The child had a near death experience, and his recollections of it were both driven by what he heard at church and at home, and "helped along" by others around him, afterward. Dad (author) said he took pains not to ask leading questions or cue him in any way (with an exception or two, that he admitted). But he may have done that without even knowing. Or he might just be lying. :dunno

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 01:48 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
I think the thing for me that made me believe the story is the fact that he found his sister in heaven.
As a four year old he was never told by his parents about his mother losing a baby.

Timmy 03-13-2012 01:57 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147848)
I think the thing for me that made me believe the story is the fact that he found his sister in heaven.
As a four year old he was never told by his parents about his mother losing a baby.
Yes, this and other such details are compelling. I can't help but be skeptical, though. It says nobody told him, but they might be surprised what kids pick up just by overhearing, even when they don't seem to be paying attention. And maybe the parents didn't tell him, but someone else may have. It may have even happened after the fact -- he overheard something about it, after the visit, and it found its way into the story, even innocently. The mind plays funny tricks, when recalling dreams and such. He could be thoroughly convinced that it was part of the experience all along.

berkeley 03-13-2012 04:12 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
oh, the h.s. is blue and flashes beams down to earth to give us power... hopefully I didn't add or subtract from the story.

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 04:29 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1147886)
oh, the h.s. is blue and flashes beams down to earth to give us power...
Amazing!

Cindy 03-13-2012 05:19 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
Some of it seems unbelievable, other parts not so much.

berkeley 03-13-2012 05:24 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147889)
Amazing!
You believe it too?

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 06:25 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1147898)
You believe it too?
I believe every thing, (except Obama) I am a believer.

Jason B 03-13-2012 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy

OK. Well, to me, the story is dripping with fishiness. Doesn't mean it isn't true, and I believe the events described were, by and large, almost certainly accurate (the disease, surgery, etc.). But a child that young could so easily have been coached -- maybe even accidentally -- that I have a hard time with taking it all at face value. The child may not think he is lying, per se, and in fact may actually believe everything. But the dad, who wrote the book, could, for all we know, be twisting things a little or a lot.

My best guess? The child had a near death experience, and his recollections of it were both driven by what he heard at church and at home, and "helped along" by others around him, afterward. Dad (author) said he took pains not to ask leading questions or cue him in any way (with an exception or two, that he admitted). But he may have done that without even knowing. Or he might just be lying. :dunno
I am VERY uncomfortale with all these books claiming visits to heaven or hell. I think it bears consideration that the Apostle Paul was caught up to "the third heaven" and couldn't tell any details but everyone else and their mom (or dad) can write a book about it and get rich. Hmmm fishy indeed.

Dordrecht 03-13-2012 11:38 PM
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can write a book about it and get rich
I got news for you.
A lot of people DO NOT get rich publishing these small "religious type" books.
If you want to get rich in the publishing business you better look into something different.
Ask Warren Weirsbe !

Timmy 03-14-2012 08:52 AM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1147886)
oh, the h.s. is blue and flashes beams down to earth to give us power... hopefully I didn't add or subtract from the story.
I forgot that part! :lol

Timmy 03-14-2012 09:09 AM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1147990)
I got news for you.
A lot of people DO NOT get rich publishing these small "religious type" books.
If you want to get rich in the publishing business you better look into something different.
Ask Warren Weirsbe !
Doesn't stop people from trying. These people hit the jackpot. Their book has sold 6 million copies, there is a kids edition, a CD, a "conversation guide", a devotional, and I don't know how many languages it's been published in. Amazon has 29 items authored by Todd Burpo.

Timmy 03-14-2012 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148019)
Doesn't stop people from trying. These people hit the jackpot. Their book has sold 6 million copies, there is a kids edition, a CD, a "conversation guide", a devotional, and I don't know how many languages it's been published in. Amazon has 29 items authored by Todd Burpo.
Right now, it's #2 on the New York Times Paperback Nonfiction best sellers list, and high on a lot of other lists. The kids' version is #4 on Children's Picture Books.

RandyWayne 03-14-2012 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148024)
Right now, it's #2 on the New York Times Paperback Nonfiction best sellers list, and high on a lot of other lists. The kids' version is #4 on Children's Picture Books.
Ahhh, I thought you were joking at first. lol

So can we start to expect merchandise such as coloring books, action figures, direct to DVD video's, and a marketing tie in with Taco Bell?

Timmy 03-14-2012 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1148037)
Ahhh, I thought you were joking at first. lol

So can we start to expect merchandise such as coloring books, action figures, direct to DVD video's, and a marketing tie in with Taco Bell?
You're thinking too small! I'm talking blockbuster movies, a TV series, theme parks! How about a city? Heavenville, Colorado! :lol

RandyWayne 03-14-2012 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148040)
You're thinking too small! I'm talking blockbuster movies, a TV series, theme parks! How about a city? Heavenville, Colorado! :lol
I don't know of a WHOLE theme park but I am sure there is room at Universal Studio's in Orlando, FL for a huge ride next to Harry Potter's Hogswarts castle.

As far as the movie, it is difficult to see How Peter Jackson could make it into a four film (each lasting a min of three hours) series, but if anyone can do it, HE can. And would the subsequent TV series bare any resemblance to the movies? Or would it be like comparing the Highlander movies (each of which conflicted with each other) from the TV show?

Timmy 03-14-2012 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1148044)
I don't know of a WHOLE theme park but I am sure there is room at Universal Studio's in Orlando, FL for a huge ride next to Harry Potter's Hogswarts castle.

As far as the movie, it is difficult to see How Peter Jackson could make it into a four film (each lasting a min of three hours) series, but if anyone can do it, HE can.
:lol

bbyrd009 03-14-2012 11:13 AM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148040)
You're thinking too small! I'm talking blockbuster movies, a TV series, theme parks! How about a city? Heavenville, Colorado! :lol
Hey, keep Colorado out of this one!

bbyrd009 03-14-2012 11:15 AM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1148044)
I don't know of a WHOLE theme park but I am sure there is room at Universal Studio's in Orlando, FL for a huge ride next to Harry Potter's Hogswarts castle.

As far as the movie, it is difficult to see How Peter Jackson could make it into a four film (each lasting a min of three hours) series, but if anyone can do it, HE can. And would the subsequent TV series bare any resemblance to the movies? Or would it be like comparing the Highlander movies (each of which conflicted with each other) from the TV show?
Ah, he can always just stick a couple vampires in it.

Timmy 03-14-2012 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1148051)
Hey, keep Colorado out of this one!
:heeheehee

Dordrecht 03-14-2012 11:51 AM
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Right now, it's #2 on the New York Times Paperback Nonfiction best sellers list
Lol, go into ANY bookstore and 90% of the books you see are on the New York Times "best sellers" list.
That's just a gimmick to get you to buy books.

Timmy 03-14-2012 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1148058)
Lol, go into ANY bookstore and 90% of the books you see are on the New York Times "best sellers" list.
That's just a gimmick to get you to buy books.
I got it from the horse's mouth. ;)

http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/overview.html

berkeley 03-14-2012 12:15 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
They can deal with TBN and bring something more to the Holy Land Experience.

http://www.holylandexperience.com/

Dordrecht 03-14-2012 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1148062)
They can deal with TBN and bring something more to the Holy Land Experience.

http://www.holylandexperience.com/
You watch TBN?

houston 03-14-2012 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1148115)
You watch TBN?
Not often.

Dordrecht 03-14-2012 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1148118)
Not often.
I used to watch it till about 16 years ago.:smack

Sherri 03-14-2012 07:35 PM
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IF the book is true, it bothered me, because it definitely has more of a trinitarian slant to heaven than oneness. That kind of freaked me out. But I don't know if the book is true, so I choose to remain in my stubborn beliefs.:foottap

berkeley 03-14-2012 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1148148)
I used to watch it till about 16 years ago.:smack
and?

Timmy 03-15-2012 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 1148158)
IF the book is true, it bothered me, because it definitely has more of a trinitarian slant to heaven than oneness. That kind of freaked me out. But I don't know if the book is true, so I choose to remain in my stubborn beliefs.:foottap
Doesn't (nearly) everybody? :heeheehee

Timmy 03-15-2012 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148220)
Doesn't (nearly) everybody? :heeheehee
That reminds me. We've talked about this book before:

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=37962

Dordrecht 03-15-2012 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1148159)
and?
And what??

houston 03-15-2012 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dordrecht (Post 1148267)
and what??
and 1

Timmy 03-15-2012 12:27 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
Did anyone read this book? Another trip to heaven, by a kid:

http://www.amazon.com/I-Saw-Heaven-R.../dp/B004V1B5JY

Roberts was given a tour of some warehouses, each holding body parts -- arms, legs, kidneys,... -- just sitting there, waiting for the intended recipient to ask for them. Or something. I think Colton was spared this, um, experience.

houston 03-15-2012 12:34 PM
Re: Little boy went to heaven.
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1148324)
Did anyone read this book? Another trip to heaven, by a kid:

http://www.amazon.com/I-Saw-Heaven-R.../dp/B004V1B5JY

Roberts was given a tour of some warehouses, each holding body parts -- arms, legs, kidneys,... -- just sitting there, waiting for the intended recipient to ask for them. Or something. I think Colton was spared this, um, experience.
Quote:
...an anointed spiritual leader and humanitarian...
Al Gore?

Timmy 03-15-2012 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1148326)
Al Gore?
:lol

Nah, "Roberts Liardon". That book came out in 1991, and he was just a kid (about 8? not sure) when he was taken to heaven for a grand tour. Now he's all grown up, has a ministry and a web site and scandals and everything! :)


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