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Trouvere 05-21-2007 09:34 AM

Texas Bible College
 
They were at FPC last night and I thought did an awesome job with David Geri leading them.The Drama/sign team was amazing.They signed and really worshipped.One of the young ladies ended up coming off the platform and shouting down around the front of the church.Has anyone else had them lately? I noticed all the young people were standing up for almost the whole concert and service and hey these folks were not rock and rolling.It was so awesome.My daughter is thinking of attending this college.We have known the Dean of Music and the Dean of Educations wife since they were both
young and in school.David Geri's mom Micki is the Single Adult teacher at FPC.
He is something to be proud about for sure.The minister of education's wife Gillian was raised going to FPC Crowley,La.She is someone to be proud of as well.Her parents are faithful members there and her family has long been pentecostal.She met her husband while helping the Tilley's do choirs in Norway.If I remember the story right he is the first UPC convert from Denmark.Awesome story!!!!

Trouvere 05-21-2007 02:38 PM

bump...........

Old Paths 05-21-2007 03:04 PM

Sounds like a blessed time was had by all at FPC.

Great!

SoCaliUPC 05-21-2007 03:07 PM

TBC has a dance/sign team???

My, my...how we go the way of the world....tsk tsk tsk.

:killinme

Trouvere 05-21-2007 03:08 PM

Put 850 or more bodies in a huge building and give them Jesus and the place explodes.lol...We always have a good time.Honestly though it was awesome and six or seven people I don't remember the count received the Holy Ghost.
It was amazing.People who had never been to church were down on the floor
under the power of God.Next weekend we have the Robinette Family coming and are passing out business card sized invitations.I want to be there.I have to work.Maybe my ship will come in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Old Paths 05-21-2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 122243)
TBC has a dance/sign team???

My, my...how we go the way of the world....tsk tsk tsk.

:killinme



DANCE?

I must have missed something???????

SoCaliUPC 05-21-2007 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 122246)
DANCE?

I must have missed something???????

Those sign teams do dance.....

Old Paths 05-21-2007 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 122249)
Those sign teams do dance.....



Never seen that.

Trouvere 05-21-2007 03:17 PM

This one did not worldly dance sorry.Those sisters praised and worshipped God.We do have a deaf community in the church.They were awed by it.
My youngest daughter loves to sign and we have taken several classes.
I thought it was fantastic.Anybody can criticize.You have to see it for yourself.It sure isn't like those church dance teams here in various church denominations that choreograph fleshly things and the women dance around in no shoes.

Rhoni 05-21-2007 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 122244)
Put 850 or more bodies in a huge building and give them Jesus and the place explodes.lol...We always have a good time.Honestly though it was awesome and six or seven people I don't remember the count received the Holy Ghost.
It was amazing.People who had never been to church were down on the floor
under the power of God.Next weekend we have the Robinette Family coming and are passing out business card sized invitations.I want to be there.I have to work.Maybe my ship will come in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I took a co-worker to a gospel sing, I believe it was Stockton Bible College, when Wayne Goodine was there. The whole place took off shouting, dancing, and running...she looked at me and asked "Is there a fire? Should we leave?" I told her to relax it was just HBO [Holy Ghost Blow-out]! You should have seen her Methodist eyes;)!

Blessings, Rhoni

Rhoni 05-21-2007 03:42 PM

BTW - Sing Drama when used correctly [using accurate signs to minister to the deaf, and not just entertain the hearing] is awesome and very worshipful. I love to worship in sign!

Blessings, Rhoni

Thad 05-21-2007 04:40 PM

Trouvere,


TBC seems to be the up and coming Conservative bible College.

They had 320 registered this year for their music conference

which is excellent for only the second year. A lot of folk that use to

attend JCM music Conf. are now going to this one.



I am slightly surprised that they sing some of the really contemporary songs and do the sign dance thing too

tamor 05-21-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 122374)
Trouvere, TBC seems to be the up and coming Conservative bible College. They had 320 registered this year for their music conference which is excellent for only the second year. A lot of folk that use to attend JCM music Conf. are now going to this one.

I am slightly surprised that they sing some of the really contemporary songs and do the sign dance thing too


Is this Wayne Goodine's group or is he at another school?

Thad 05-21-2007 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamor (Post 122563)
Is this Wayne Goodine's group or is he at another school?



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Tamor what planet are you posting from ???? :heeheehee


we are talking about TBC ??? TEXAS - BiiiiiiBLE - COLLEGE hello!

BoredOutOfMyMind 05-22-2007 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 122867)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Tamor what planet are you posting from ???? :heeheehee


we are talking about TBC ??? TEXAS - BiiiiiiBLE - COLLEGE hello!

Wayne Goodine is in Texas. In her mind they are the same...... :bubble

Thad 05-22-2007 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 123009)
Wayne Goodine is in Texas. In her mind they are the same...... :bubble

He is in texas but he's at a charismatic bible school in San Antonio.

TBC is in lufkin at the UPC camp grounds.


I believe the Bible school in San Antonio that WG is at is EX-Oneness Pentecostal

Trouvere 05-22-2007 01:46 AM

Thad they have recruited some of the best talent in Pentecost to work there on staff.I for one am glad to see it.

Rhoni 05-22-2007 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 123018)
He is in texas but he's at a charismatic bible school in San Antonio.

TBC is in lufkin at the UPC camp grounds.


I believe the Bible school in San Antonio that WG is at is EX-Oneness Pentecostal


Thad,

They are not ex-oneness, but ex-UPCI - there is a difference. They have a good group of Apostolic people on staff with licensure and educational credentials.

TBC may be an up and coming UPCI Bible College but it does not eradicate the fact that staff and school are unaccredited and therefore only good at turning our carbon-copies of those they replicate with very little educational attainment to help them be financially/fiscally responsible members of society.

We've had this discussion before and I still stand on the fact that no responsible parent would pay for their children to get 3-4 years of no education that will help their children take care of themselves.

Blessings, Rhoni

Ronzo 05-22-2007 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 123018)
I believe the Bible school in San Antonio that WG is at is EX-Oneness Pentecostal

Nope.

Sorry, Thad, not 'EX-Oneness'. They are EX-UPC. There is a difference, friend.

tamor 05-22-2007 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 122867)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Tamor what planet are you posting from ???? :heeheehee
we are talking about TBC ??? TEXAS - BiiiiiiBLE - COLLEGE hello!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind
Wayne Goodine is in Texas. In her mind they are the same...... :bubble

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad
He is in texas but he's at a charismatic bible school in San Antonio.

TBC is in lufkin at the UPC camp grounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni
They are not ex-oneness, but ex-UPCI - there is a difference. They have a good group of Apostolic people on staff with licensure and educational credentials.


It was a simple question, Your Majesty! :bow :bow
I know that WG is in Texas. I don't keep up with what city he's in. And I did NOT know that Texas Bible College is UPC. I guess the one that he is at is International Bible College. 'Scuuuuzzzzeeee me for asking!! :razz :razz :razz

Trouvere 05-22-2007 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 123061)
Thad,

They are not ex-oneness, but ex-UPCI - there is a difference. They have a good group of Apostolic people on staff with licensure and educational credentials.

TBC may be an up and coming UPCI Bible College but it does not eradicate the fact that staff and school are unaccredited and therefore only good at turning our carbon-copies of those they replicate with very little educational attainment to help them be financially/fiscally responsible members of society.

We've had this discussion before and I still stand on the fact that no responsible parent would pay for their children to get 3-4 years of no education that will help their children take care of themselves.

Blessings, Rhoni


Sister Rhoni,
I would and I am no idiot.I simply think my daughter has a great voice and would like to see her develop it.She is also taking courses at our local community college.I also want her to do what she feels in ministry.She has been teaching and preaching since the age of eleven.So I guess it would depend on the person who is attendings future.Did you not go to JCM? If I
remember right they did not back women in ministry whatsoever.In fact one of the classes was the Role of the Shepherdess.Which is good if you are going to be a preachers wife but what if you are a preacher or a teacher?Sorry I disagree.I think our young women ought to
be doing the ministries God called them to do as well.Its a sacrifice to send my daughter to bible college but for the will of God I will gladly take on other shifts and work harder.Sorry sis I disagree.Had I gone to bible college ministry would have not been as hard and I would have had a more realistic look at it.Some people do ministry for a vocation.Sorry I disagree.

Rhoni 05-22-2007 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 123102)
Sister Rhoni,
I would and I am no idiot.I simply think my daughter has a great voice and would like to see her develop it.She is also taking courses at our local community college.I also want her to do what she feels in ministry.She has been teaching and preaching since the age of eleven.So I guess it would depend on the person who is attendings future.Did you not go to JCM? If I
remember right they did not back women in ministry whatsoever.In fact one of the classes was the Role of the Shepherdess.Which is good if you are going to be a preachers wife but what if you are a preacher or a teacher?Sorry I disagree.I think our young women ought to
be doing the ministries God called them to do as well.Its a sacrifice to send my daughter to bible college but for the will of God I will gladly take on other shifts and work harder.Sorry sis I disagree.Had I gone to bible college ministry would have not been as hard and I would have had a more realistic look at it.Some people do ministry for a vocation.Sorry I disagree.


Sis. T,

Calm down. None of my posts were directed at you or your daughter. I went to JCM for only one reason...I wanted to do something for God. I just felt the pressure of having to marry a preacher in order to be able to minister. Today this is not so.

I went to Bible college against my Pastor's advice, [he thought I should stay home and marry a home boy]...I wasn't even thinking about the marriage bit..I was far too young.

I don't regret going to Bible College, but then I sacrificed and paid my own way. I worked three jobs to get my way through JCM. But, 6 months after my divorce from a preacher I found myself trying to get a job and all the 15 years of ministry could not provide for my children and myself.

Those most successful in JCM came having already went to college, had a profession, and worked comfortably through JCM and were able to go into ministry without being poverty stricken.

You know I love you and have no problem with you disagreeing with me...everyone has to choose for themselves what is best.

Love & Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I have never thought you were an idiot...I have limited the use of that word to a couple conservative men;)! j/k

Lost 05-22-2007 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 123129)
P.S. I have never thought you were an idiot...I have limited the use of that word to a couple conservative men ;)! j/k

Would that be similiar to limiting the use of the phrase "messed up" to describe a couple Christian counselors? Just curious.

;) j/k

rrford 05-22-2007 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 123129)
Sis. T,

Calm down. None of my posts were directed at you or your daughter. I went to JCM for only one reason...I wanted to do something for God. I just felt the pressure of having to marry a preacher in order to be able to minister. Today this is not so.

I went to Bible college against my Pastor's advice, [he thought I should stay home and marry a home boy]...I wasn't even thinking about the marriage bit..I was far too young.

I don't regret going to Bible College, but then I sacrificed and paid my own way. I worked three jobs to get my way through JCM. But, 6 months after my divorce from a preacher I found myself trying to get a job and all the 15 years of ministry could not provide for my children and myself.

Those most successful in JCM came having already gone to college, had a profession, and worked comfortably through JCM and were able to go into ministry without being poverty stricken.


You know I love you and have no problem with you disagreeing with me...everyone has to choose for themselves what is best.

Love & Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I have never thought you were an idiot...I have limited the use of that word to a couple conservative men;)! j/k

I totally disagree.

rgcraig 05-22-2007 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 123648)
I totally disagree.

Me too. There weren't any while I was there that fits that description.

rrford 05-22-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 123656)
Me too. There weren't any while I was there that fits that description.

Right. And just what does" most succesful" mean? Who is going to define that? I did not consider anyone at JCM successful. That came years later. I know a vast majority that have gone on to very successful ministries that did not have a secular degree or a church pedigree.

SoCaliUPC 05-22-2007 03:22 PM

NAMES, NAMES! :killinme

Esther 05-22-2007 03:24 PM

I do not know where TBC stands now on teaching the gifts of the spirit. I was told during Ensey's years that it was taught against. That it isn't for today. I also was told that a teacher there did not allow the gifts to be used in his church for the same reason.

IF that were the case I personally wouldn't endorse that school. I am not sure how you could find out where the school/teachers stand on that issue.

JMO

Trouvere 05-22-2007 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 123660)
NAMES, NAMES! :killinme

Jimmy Mitchell is the pastor of a successful UPC church.He is a JCM graduate.He has been a missionary to the Phillipines.He has no other degree.He was a welder before bible college.
Micheal Fernandes is a successful minister.He graduated from JCM.He
sacrificed to make it through bible college.

I mentioned the above men because neither of them come from money families nor do they have fathers who are pastors.

rrford 05-22-2007 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 123667)
Jimmy Mitchell is the pastor of a successful UPC church.He is a JCM graduate.He has been a missionary to the Phillipines.He has no other degree.He was a welder before bible college.
Micheal Fernandes is a successful minister.He graduated from JCM.He
sacrificed to make it through bible college.

I mentioned the above men because neither of them come from money families nor do they have fathers who are pastors.

And I attended JCM with both of them and I assure you neither of them were concerned with lacking degree or pedigree. They were serious about doing something for God. It paid off.

Trouvere 05-22-2007 03:35 PM

Sister Rhoni,
Don't worry I don't need to calm down.I am not that emotional.:kittyhug
Its possible that your own world view is described in your posting.
You went through some terrible times and had alot of hopes and dreams
wrapped up in that marriage that included the future.No one can fault
that.Women are brought up to see the world from that view.My moms
generation thought it better to sacrifice your life and get behind a man
and help him be successful and for some it is a key to success.They
never thought that they could be successful alone.Marriage and children
was preached as the ultimate climax of womenhood.Many of these same
women faced emotional destruction as men they have supported let them
down and left them for women they thought were better suited for their new successful lifestyles.(thus the invent of valium)That is why we have to rely on God for our own souls.We cannot be
co-dependant.God we can depend on.He will never let us down.
Probably the best thing that can happen to a person though it hurts is to have to depend on God.lv sis.c

Old Paths 05-22-2007 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 123669)
And I attended JCM with both of them and I assure you neither of them were concerned with lacking degree or pedigree. They were serious about doing something for God. It paid off.



Hmmmmmm

My Isn't that a novel idea for Apostolic young people.

"Doing something for God".

Not really expecting/wanting to excel in the secular world, but dedicating one's life to God.

That still amazes me, a life of sacrifice for the Kingdom of God.

I thank God for young people that focus their lives on "doing something for God" and the men and women that help equip them in their decision to "do something for God".

CC1 05-22-2007 05:24 PM

Texas Bible College is fine I am sure but I have heard they have some pretty wild deans and instructors. Probably a bunch of snake handlers or "wildfire" folks.



















J/K

Trouvere 05-22-2007 05:41 PM

Yeah and they have bon fires and such.I am sure this has to lead to worldliness after all we only want our young people to sit with stoic looks on their faces and never laugh or have fun.I am sure this all leads to BEER!

Hoovie 05-22-2007 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 123729)
Texas Bible College is fine I am sure but I have heard they have some pretty wild deans and instructors. Probably a bunch of snake handlers or "wildfire" folks.

J/K

CC1, This is new thread material.

Hoovie 05-22-2007 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 123752)
Yeah and they have bon fires and such.I am sure this has to lead to worldliness after all we only want our young people to sit with stoic looks on their faces and never laugh or have fun.I am sure this all leads to BEER!

Kegs!

Rhoni 05-22-2007 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 123670)
Sister Rhoni,
Don't worry I don't need to calm down.I am not that emotional.:kittyhug
Its possible that your own world view is described in your posting.
You went through some terrible times and had alot of hopes and dreams
wrapped up in that marriage that included the future.No one can fault
that.Women are brought up to see the world from that view.My moms
generation thought it better to sacrifice your life and get behind a man
and help him be successful and for some it is a key to success.They
never thought that they could be successful alone.Marriage and children
was preached as the ultimate climax of womenhood.Many of these same
women faced emotional destruction as men they have supported let them
down and left them for women they thought were better suited for their new successful lifestyles.(thus the invent of valium)That is why we have to rely on God for our own souls.We cannot be
co-dependant.God we can depend on.He will never let us down.
Probably the best thing that can happen to a person though it hurts is to have to depend on God.lv sis.T

Dear Sis. T,

You are totally correct...I do see from my worldview. The things I went through in the past , although they have a bearing on who I have became, do not hold any power or control of me or my emotions any longer.

Last week I was speaking with a friend and as we talked about old times at JCM, I remembered that many of the traits I possess today, I possessed back then...I just didn't realize it.

Many of the women I know, who are in the same position as I am...like myself, were 'trained' to be good, supportive wives to their spouse's ministries. The men just forgot that they were supposed be supportive of their wives also.

I think my post was also misunderstood by some..the same "some" who only see me through their worldview: My statement about 'success' was in reference to being financially self-supporting through the Bible College process. Most that I went to Bible College with were PK's who's parents paid their way so they could party and act out. Many, like myself worked 1-3 jobs to pay their way through. There were a few, the girls I remember were nurses or had training in medical records and could work a job pulling in good income to pay their school bill as well as have money for play.

While many of the married ministry couples sacrificed in home missions or evangelized...others were better prepared with their background and training to be better off financially. This in no wise is compared to success in the ministry itself.

I gave my youth to Christ and doing God's work. I gave my young adulthood into early middle age to ministry side by side with my EX-husband. I am giving my mature years also to Christ and ministry in the ways that God leads...this is all I know and want to know.

Love & Blessings, Sis. Rhoni

lisafitzh2o 05-22-2007 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 123102)
Sister Rhoni,
I would and I am no idiot.I simply think my daughter has a great voice and would like to see her develop it.She is also taking courses at our local community college.I also want her to do what she feels in ministry.She has been teaching and preaching since the age of eleven.So I guess it would depend on the person who is attendings future.Did you not go to JCM? If I
remember right they did not back women in ministry whatsoever.In fact one of the classes was the Role of the Shepherdess.Which is good if you are going to be a preachers wife but what if you are a preacher or a teacher?Sorry I disagree.I think our young women ought to
be doing the ministries God called them to do as well.Its a sacrifice to send my daughter to bible college but for the will of God I will gladly take on other shifts and work harder.Sorry sis I disagree.Had I gone to bible college ministry would have not been as hard and I would have had a more realistic look at it.Some people do ministry for a vocation.Sorry I disagree.

I'm with ya....and don't let people get to you about the whole "not being able to get a good job after Bible school" stuff. I found an accredited college that took all my JCM credits. I just had to get my core subjects out of the way first (that they didn't offer at JCM)...so I went one semester and got math and science out of the way, then went on to get my Master's Degree in elementary education. As a matter of fact, I have several friends in Louisiana, Texas, and Indiana who did the same thing. I taught seven years in public school making decent money and am now in a Christian school. And if it's MINISTRY people want to talk about, I've seen about ten of our kids get the Holy Ghost in the past year, and we just baptized a parent this past Sunday night.

Go with your heart on this one.

Rhoni 05-22-2007 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisafitzh2o (Post 123803)
I'm with ya....and don't let people get to you about the whole "not being able to get a good job after Bible school" stuff. I found an accredited college that took all my JCM credits. I just had to get my core subjects out of the way first (that they didn't offer at JCM)...so I went one semester and got math and science out of the way, then went on to get my Master's Degree in elementary education. As a matter of fact, I have several friends in Louisiana, Texas, and Indiana who did the same thing. I taught seven years in public school making decent money and am now in a Christian school. And if it's MINISTRY people want to talk about, I've seen about ten of our kids get the Holy Ghost in the past year, and we just baptized a parent this past Sunday night.

Go with your heart on this one.

Lisa,

But in order to get your teaching degree you had to go to an accredited college regardless of the fact that you had some credits transfer;)! No one is doubting your ministry...but you did get a higher education than BC!:sing

Welcome...

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. Kingsport huh? We held many a revival there...back in the day;)

Lucy Van Pelt 05-22-2007 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 123805)
Lisa,

But in order to get your teaching degree you had to go to an accredited college regardless of the fact that you had some credits transfer;)! No one is doubting your ministry...but you did get a higher education than BC!:sing

Welcome...

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. Kingsport huh? We held many a revival there...back in the day;)

Good grief!

Aren't you the one that always brags about your degrees?

Yet, you are having trouble finding a job?


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