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houston 03-16-2012 06:45 AM

Why don't we see healings?
 
Last night I received a text message from a young minister friend. He asked "Why don't we see healings?" I was getting ready for work and replied that I'd have an answer for him today. I thought about it through my shift, and honestly, I don't know what to say to him.

Your thoughts??

Amanah 03-16-2012 07:01 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I have seen healing, I've prayed for my child, just us, in his bedroom when we found a growth on his shoulder, a red growth protruding from his skin. We prayed and believed God and in the morning it was gone.

I have heard other tell that God has healed them from cancer and other sicknesses, I have no reason to doubt the people who say they have been healed.

I also know people who have prayed for healing and have died, I have no answer for why this is so.

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 07:12 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I sort of have two responses, not necessarily answers... I still see healings, not to the degree we did growing up, but still do. Just saw a 5 year old that had coke bottle thick glasses, developmental issues, and braces on her legs healed in a sunday night service at our church a month ago. She no longer even looks like she has Downs or sometime of disfunction in her face anymore. She walks just fine, able to talk like any 5 year old should, and doesn't wear the glasses anymore. She's as healthy as can be.

From all of my missionary friends, it would seem that abroad there are just as many miracles and healings going on as ever. Maybe the difference in the US has to do with our lack of true hunger for the Lord. We've lost our desperation... He's usually our last or next to last alternative for healing... not our only. The difference in the modern day church in lack of power, miracles, signs, wonders, converts, true religion that is undefiled, etc... all has to do with us, and how we've changed.....

Hoovie 03-16-2012 07:53 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I have never "seen" a healing in the context of most of the miraculous healing in scripture.

I have heard hundreds or maybe thousands claims that God did XYZ, and I do not automatically discount them... I believe he have done many things for me too, but none of those things I have witnessed would necessarily cause a skeptic or an unbeliever to believe...

I have heard a lot of reports, but have never "seen" anyone instantaneously being raised from a deathbed or dead, the severely crippled or deformed being made whole physically etc. My experience has been these who are disabled/deformed/dying/dead, are usually not the focus of any "healing service".

As to why? I know there are varied reasons... but I have known many faith-filled saints of God with terminal illnesses who believed God would heal them to the very end, yet went on to be with the Lord.

I would have to answer that primarily it was the will of God NOT to heal them physically, in the here and now.

RandyWayne 03-16-2012 08:20 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1148501)
I have never "seen" a healing in the context of most of the miraculous healing in scripture.

I have heard hundreds or maybe thousands claims that God did XYZ, and I do not automatically discount them... but none of those things I have witnessed would necessarily cause a skeptic or an unbeliever to believe...

I have heard a lot of reports, but have never "seen" anyone instantaneously being raised from a deathbed or dead, the severely crippled or deformed being made whole physically etc. My experience has been these who are disabled/deformed/dying/dead, are usually not the focus of any "healing service".

As to why? I know there are varied reasons... but I have known many faith-filled saints of God with terminal illnesses who believed God would heal them to the very end, yet went on to be with the Lord.

I would have to answer that primarily it was the will of God NOT to heal them physically, in the here and now.

Yes, I have heard of many many healings. Most of the ones I have "seen" are of the "the pain in my back/knee/hip is gone!" variety. I would LOVE to see one where an actual physical deformity was healed on the spot. How about a missing limb regrown whilst the crowd watches (would even accept THIS one if it happened over night and not on the spot -kind of hard to fake a missing limb. LOL)?

Timmy 03-16-2012 08:23 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Maybe we really are expected to believe without seeing. John 20:29. The disciples didn't have to, but we do. Figures.

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 08:26 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I really appreciate Hoovie's response. The provincial hand of God for sure determines the outcome, whether the healing is here or on the other side.

I mentioned the 5 year old that we saw instantaneously healed in church on Sunday night a few weeks ago. She was unable to walk without braces or see without her coke bottle glasses. She looked, and operated as a child with Down's would. Never spoke before.

That very night, she was able to run around the church with no braces... can see without glasses. In two weeks, full sentences like a 5 year old should speak. Doctors are saying no sign now of developmental issues whatsoever... even the eyes and the drooping on her face normalized.... It was a miracle.

But I have a coworker whose infant son needs a heart transplant or a new heart from the Lord in a couple of weeks or he'll die... but no answer of healing there.

I don't know why, but I do know that God has a view of the overall plan that I don't see.

Nitehawk013 03-16-2012 08:37 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
If I knew the answer and solution to this, I would have more money than every TV evangelist put together. LOL.

UNfortunately, I don't. :(

Timmy 03-16-2012 08:39 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1148515)
If I knew the answer and solution to this, I would have more money than every TV evangelist put together. LOL.

UNfortunately, I don't. :(

I have an answer (which not many here would accept) but it won't make me rich. Just content.

Aquila 03-16-2012 09:01 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I have a theory. It is actually four elements combined.

First, if one charts the miracles of the Bible we see seasons where miracles seem to taper off and become very few. Then a prophet arises with a message from God. Suddenly, within his wake are many great miracles. So I think miracles are often what follows when an anointed man of God truly has a Word from God. God confirms His power and message through miracles and great signs and wonders. Perhaps we’re in a dry place. Perhaps our movement is too institutionalized and cold. Too self-righteous and legalistic. We need a man of God with a fresh anointing to bring us a Word from the Lord, then we might see more healings and miracles.

Second, faith is a factor. Because we’ve not seen many miracles and because our society is so negative and unbelieving concerning all things miraculous, we doubt it first and demand it be proven. I mean, we’ve been duped by phonies quite a bit throughout the years. So, we believe it only after we’ve seen it. But when it comes to the spiritual… you’ve got to believe it in order to see it. There is a fundamental disconnect with our inner logic and worldview. So technically we’ve increasingly become a faithless and unbelieving generation.

Thirdly, our self-righteous legalism lends itself to hypocrisy. We are to confess our sins to one another… that we might be healed. When we are transparent regarding all we are and all we’re not… God flows freely. But if we walk around with our collars white, ties straight, every hair in place, pretending to be “holy” when in truth we are just as human and error prone as the man beside us… we are presenting a lie. God doesn’t move in that situation. God will not appear to confirm or condone such hypocrisy. So it becomes a barrier. That’s why we often hear of miracles taking place in revivals where everyone is on their face weeping acknowledging their sins publically. Because in that moment, the believers, as flawed as they might be, are being REAL and are calling out to the one who can forgive them. So our legalism and hypocrisy also hinders healing.

Fourthly, we forget that we are branches. Jesus said that He is the vine and we are the branches… without Him we can do nothing. All too often we pray believing that a miracle will fall down out of Heaven for ourselves or someone. Or we pray for a miracle or healing, and deep down inside… we hope it happens so everyone can see us and know that we are powerful in the Spirit. We fail to see that first… the miracle doesn’t fall down out of Heaven… it flows through us and out of us from the vine. We forget that we too are one Spirit with the Lord and Jesus was. We are one with the Father also. We are extensions of Christ. We have all the power and authority flowing through us that Christ had. And Jesus said we’d do even greater things than He did because of this oneness with God He purchased for us on Calvary. We are paupers begging for a miracle to “come down”. We are vessels and conduits of God’s love and power. We have no idea the authority we have. I know many will get on me for saying this…. But we have the power to look at a person and speak forgiveness into their lives just as Jesus did. We forget that we are not all members of a corporate unity. We are not many spirits inspired by a greater Spirit. We are one Spirit with the Lord. Our human spirits are now in union with God through the Holy Spirit by the authority and work of Jesus. Essentially, we have been absorbed into a collective organism known as the Church. We are an organism with Christ as head… not an organization with Christ as leader. You are me and I am you. We are God and God is us. Not in the sense that we are deities deserving worship. But in the sense that we are branches of the Lord who is the vine. I cannot look at a branch in my backyard and say that it is just a branch and not the tree. Nor can I look at the tree and say it is a tree and not the branch. The branches are branches OF the tree. And the tree is the trunk from which the branches grow. We forget our oneness with God. Therefore, we best not touch the glory. We must acknowledge that God is flowing in us and through us, giving Him the glory alone.

Eh… I’ve pontificated enough. That’s my theory. Many might really struggle with some of the things I’ve said and get the wrong idea. I’ll clarify if necessary.

God bless.

scotty 03-16-2012 09:02 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148496)
From all of my missionary friends, it would seem that abroad there are just as many miracles and healings going on as ever. Maybe the difference in the US has to do with our lack of true hunger for the Lord. We've lost our desperation... He's usually our last or next to last alternative for healing... not our only. The difference in the modern day church in lack of power, miracles, signs, wonders, converts, true religion that is undefiled, etc... all has to do with us, and how we've changed.....

Our lack of true hunger and our lack of "child like faith". In other countries it is easy to "hope in the things unseen" when hope is all you have.

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 09:05 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Yyyyyup. You mostly don't need to trust God until that LAST can of beans you put up runs out, lol.

KeptByTheWord 03-16-2012 09:14 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Aquila, I like what you said... basically it is our desperate need of God, and desperate faith that will generally bring about the healing work of God.

Signs and wonders follow them that believe, not the other way around. We want to look FOR the signs and wonders, but Jesus said only they would FOLLOW them that believe.

scotty 03-16-2012 09:19 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1148529)
Yyyyyup. You mostly don't need to trust God until that LAST can of beans you put up runs out, lol.

Exactly . :thumbsup

Dedicated Mind 03-16-2012 09:32 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
we don't have healings because of worldly, lukewarm christians that have jack daniels as their avatar.

Jay 03-16-2012 10:12 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
I shall now take my turn to pontificate upon our topic. :nod


Why do we not see the healings as of old?

First, many times the healings that we hear about occurred over the course of many years. When compressed into storytelling or book format, these can seem to have happened all at once.

Second, healings and miracles require a need to be met. As few people have any desire or capacity to handle pain or deprivation, they never have their faith in God's provision established. You may ask to see the sick and dead raised, but are you willing to be the one to fall to illness or death?

Third, we live in a prosperous country where all of our physical needs are met. We have food stamps, Medicare, Medicade, Social Security, health/dental/life/automotive insurance. We can take care of our own needs. The Laodicean attitude is ours, "We are rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing." This attitude will dampen the atmosphere for the miraculous.

Fourth, few people wish to spend the time in prayer, fasting, and the reading of the Word of God that it takes to see these things happen in the life of the believer.

Aquila 03-16-2012 10:40 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1148547)
we don't have healings because of worldly, lukewarm christians that have jack daniels as their avatar.

lol

Dordrecht 03-16-2012 11:41 AM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Depressing thread.

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1148575)
Depressing thread.

Why? I shared a wonderful miracle that I've seen recently, and others have talked about miracles will follow a consecrated and dedicated church... so to me, it's a challenging and hopeful thread.... God hasn't changed, we have... therefore, if we want to see a return to these kinds of moves in our midst... maybe we need to change back????

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 12:39 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148580)
Why? I shared a wonderful miracle that I've seen recently, and others have talked about miracles will follow a consecrated and dedicated church... so to me, it's a challenging and hopeful thread.... God hasn't changed, we have... therefore, if we want to see a return to these kinds of moves in our midst... maybe we need to change back????

Amen.

Dordrecht 03-16-2012 01:24 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148580)
Why? I shared a wonderful miracle that I've seen recently, and others have talked about miracles will follow a consecrated and dedicated church... so to me, it's a challenging and hopeful thread.... God hasn't changed, we have... therefore, if we want to see a return to these kinds of moves in our midst... maybe we need to change back????

Amen! True.

I said "depressing" because of unanswered healing in the body of Christ.

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 02:16 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Oh absolutely... thanks so much for the clarification...

BrotherEastman 03-16-2012 02:24 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1148489)
Last night I received a text message from a young minister friend. He asked "Why don't we see healings?" I was getting ready for work and replied that I'd have an answer for him today. I thought about it through my shift, and honestly, I don't know what to say to him.

Your thoughts??

Tell him to watch Benny Hinn. lol

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 02:26 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 1148623)
Tell him to watch Benny Hinn. lol

but not immediately after he's eaten if he wants to keep his meal down...

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 02:26 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1148593)
Amen! True.

I said "depressing" because of unanswered healing in the body of Christ.


Ya, we agree there, I'm sure.

Titus2woman 03-16-2012 02:34 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148496)
I sort of have two responses, not necessarily answers... I still see healings, not to the degree we did growing up, but still do. Just saw a 5 year old that had coke bottle thick glasses, developmental issues, and braces on her legs healed in a sunday night service at our church a month ago. She no longer even looks like she has Downs or sometime of disfunction in her face anymore. She walks just fine, able to talk like any 5 year old should, and doesn't wear the glasses anymore. She's as healthy as can be.

From all of my missionary friends, it would seem that abroad there are just as many miracles and healings going on as ever. Maybe the difference in the US has to do with our lack of true hunger for the Lord. We've lost our desperation... He's usually our last or next to last alternative for healing... not our only. The difference in the modern day church in lack of power, miracles, signs, wonders, converts, true religion that is undefiled, etc... all has to do with us, and how we've changed.....

My curiosity is huge on this one! I would love to see her DNA profile to look for chromosone changes. To my knowledge Trisomy 21 has never spontaneously resolved in the history of man. It would be completely documentable because it is a genetic abnormality and her DNA would be part and parcel of her diagnosis.

If you would, please ask the parents if they would be willing to have their previously Downs daughter tested to see if she is now chromosonaly normal. What a win for God if they could prove that! :happydance

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 02:37 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1148631)
My curiosity is huge on this one! I would love to see her DNA profile to look for chromosone changes. To my knowledge Trisomy 21 has never spontaneously resolved in the history of man. It would be completely documentable because it is a genetic abnormality and her DNA would be part and parcel of her diagnosis.

If you would, please ask the parents if they would be willing to have their previously Downs daughter tested to see if she is now chromosonaly normal. What a win for God if they could prove that! :happydance

That was awesome.

Titus2woman 03-16-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148509)
I really appreciate Hoovie's response. The provincial hand of God for sure determines the outcome, whether the healing is here or on the other side.

I mentioned the 5 year old that we saw instantaneously healed in church on Sunday night a few weeks ago. She was unable to walk without braces or see without her coke bottle glasses. She looked, and operated as a child with Down's would. Never spoke before.

That very night, she was able to run around the church with no braces... can see without glasses. In two weeks, full sentences like a 5 year old should speak. Doctors are saying no sign now of developmental issues whatsoever... even the eyes and the drooping on her face normalized.... It was a miracle.

But I have a coworker whose infant son needs a heart transplant or a new heart from the Lord in a couple of weeks or he'll die... but no answer of healing there.

I don't know why, but I do know that God has a view of the overall plan that I don't see.

What church do you attend? It would be worth the airfare to meet this child and her parents.... well to me it would. Say the word and I'll use my Delta miles in a flash!

Bro. Robbins 03-16-2012 02:40 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1148631)
My curiosity is huge on this one! I would love to see her DNA profile to look for chromosone changes. To my knowledge Trisomy 21 has never spontaneously resolved in the history of man. It would be completely documentable because it is a genetic abnormality and her DNA would be part and parcel of her diagnosis.

If you would, please ask the parents if they would be willing to have their previously Downs daughter tested to see if she is now chromosonaly normal. What a win for God if they could prove that! :happydance

I think you may have misunderstood me... Never said or didn't mean to imply she had Downs Syndrome, but she was developmentally challenged, and looked Downs in the face... but to my knowledge, they never said she was Downs... but all the other things are in the process of being documented by the doctors right now. Our church has a documentation process before we publish miracles claimed to have happened in our altars so that we make sure the claims are able to stand the muster of questions that might arise. Thanks.

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 02:41 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1148637)
What church do you attend? It would be worth the airfare to meet this child and her parents.... well to me it would. Say the word and I'll use my Delta miles in a flash!

I thought I had read of a case like this already? Keep us posted!

Titus2woman 03-16-2012 02:45 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1148639)
I think you may have misunderstood me... Never said or didn't mean to imply she had Downs Syndrome, but she was developmentally challenged, and looked Downs in the face... but to my knowledge, they never said she was Downs... but all the other things are in the process of being documented by the doctors right now. Our church has a documentation process before we publish miracles claimed to have happened in our altars so that we make sure the claims are able to stand the muster of questions that might arise. Thanks.

I have seen a genuine medical miracle. Only one... but huge and many smaller comforts of God in sickness. As a medical professional I have had a huge curiosity about miracles. Again it would be worth the airfare to meet the child and parents.

I believe that as we truly come in to the last days miracles will become common so I am always on the look out. :)

scotty 03-16-2012 02:46 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1148636)
That was awesome.

:heeheehee

Michael The Disciple 03-16-2012 03:10 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
As to healing consider this aspect of the book of Acts. Except for one case all the healings were done through the APOSTLES. The anointing of an Apostle is much greater than that of the average saint. Now I dont know of any Apostles right now. I certainly believe there will be Apostles in the end time but just saying I dont know of any from my generation.

I have seen some instant healings but would love to see more of those dramatic ones. I thank God for the healings I have experienced myself. I suffered heart pains for 3 long years 1986-1989. An Apostolic brother I worked with at that time had a vision that he thought was just random. When he told it to me I realized the Lord was speaking to me telling me what to do in order to be healed. I did it and within a few weeks I was healed praise YHWH!

Now I HAVE experienced many prophetic miracles. Since 1974 many times Yeshua has shown me things to come. Most of them came to pass within 2 days. Some have been longer to be fulfilled but eventually were. This has been the wonderful grace of God in my life. Also I have had friends over the years that have had powerful prophetic revelations.

bbyrd009 03-16-2012 03:23 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Amen! Of course, "Do you want a healing, or are you looking for a miracle?" should be addressed, also?
I heal people all the time--the hard way.

Dordrecht 03-16-2012 03:27 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 1148623)
Tell him to watch Benny Hinn. lol

Who's Benny Hinn?

KWSS1976 03-16-2012 03:30 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

KWSS1976 03-16-2012 03:32 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
And he's the reason you don't see healings cause he's done healed everyone.....lol

KWSS1976 03-16-2012 03:36 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Man I love that video......

KWSS1976 03-16-2012 03:37 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
It just more ammunition that makes religion look so stupid...lol

Timmy 03-16-2012 03:38 PM

Re: Why don't we see healings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 1148662)
And he's the reason you don't see healings cause he's done healed everyone.....lol

:spit


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