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Very well laid out! Nice! :thumbsup

Reality Check: Bound Delegates In The Republican Primary May Not Be Bound After All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDPK4...&feature=share

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Reality Check: Infighting at More GOP Caucuses and What the MSM Won't Tell You About Iowa and Minnesota

http://www.fox19.com/story/17768724/...-and-minnesota

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We stand shoulder to shoulder
You can't erase us
You'll just have to face us

We are the ones that will never be broken
With our last breath
We will fight to the death
We are soldiers

#StopMitt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkqNz...layer_embedded

:cheer :cheer

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We stand shoulder to shoulder
You can't erase us
You'll just have to face us

We are the ones that will never be broken
With our last breath
We will fight to the death
We are soldiers

#StopMitt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkqNz...layer_embedded

:cheer :cheer

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Please watch - RNC is violating rules of the party!!!! :thumbsdown

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Still dreaming, I see, PO.

So, if Ron Paul were to win the nomination, what would that look like in the general election, and if he were to miraculously win the White House what would that look like in the world?? I say, be careful what you wish for??? Anyone but Mitt could be a curse.

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I was going to bow out of the discussion until the delegate issue kept coming up. I just want people to be informed. The media is not telling us the truth.

And it is not that Ron Paul will win - it's that he can bring us a Brokered Convention.

We just want a Brokered Convention to allow even those with suspended campaigns to speak and loose the delegates to vote their conscience. The RNC has driven this election and we are not happy with that. And I think a Brokered Convention would be good for us and clear the air.

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Ha, you make it so hard for a believer
(who honestly tries to stay out of this; politics)
not to comment, @ "reality check..." lol.
Nevermind.

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Okay, lets get it on, sounds like fun!!! :)

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I hate right leaning news networks and this is a perfect example of why. His whole talking point is about The "Unit Rule" which the RNC outlawed. The "Unit Rule" is a rule that requires EVERY delegate of a state to be bound to vote for the candidate the majority of the state wanted. Banning the "Unit Rule" doesn't stop delegates from being bound. It stops them from being bound in such a manner that they all must vote the same.

Despite this misinformation those delegates are still bound to vote Romney. Try again PO.

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po, even real clear politics isn't reflecting the same delegate count that this website mentioned by ben swan is

http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/

why the discrepancy?

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I don't know where you got that information (in bold). This pdf. file (The Rules of the Republican Party) was written and adopted in 2008, amended in 2010, and has no updates. Rule 15 is clearly included.
http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

More information concerning Rule 38 and Rule 15:

The point, in the video, is that rules were voided when the RNC violated their own rules when they announced they will finance Romney before the convention. A Republican Primary is underway - seems Romney and the RNC don't realize that.

The real reality is that without media coverage, they will get what they want. Another indication that Romney runs a campaign and aligns himself with the actions of Obama. I have never seen a Republican campaign that mirrored so much the actions of the Democrats.

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This is the website that we follow. Go halfway down the page and you will find - 2012 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions. It lines out the soft and hard delegate count.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

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po, according to green papers, mitt only needs about 380 and there are still 897 available. looks like he is going to make it. wouldn't a brokered convention overturn the will of the people? the rnc didn't force all those primary voters to vote for mitt.

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Paul could still get enough delegates to stop him. I can't recall the exact number, but it is somewhere in the low 300s. My husband is voting for Ron Paul in our primary and I'm deciding whether I want to go with Paul or Newt. Even though Newt has suspended, he can still receive delegates. Santorum could still make his case at Convention. He's won at least 5 states.

And it was the media driving the narrative. That is something that both Santorum and Gingrich acknowledged. You can claim they were whining, but we saw it happening. I'm truly disappointed in the negativity that Romney brought toward his other opponents. The worst I've seen in the Republican Party. It may just seem worse because it was a long drawn out process,

I don't think a moderate Republican can beat an incumbent because, people view them as being closely aligned.

I was talking to someone today who has no interest in politics. They said, "I think the American people are comfortable with Obama and aren't interested in Romney." I thought that was an interesting comment. I tended to agree after I listened to Michelle speaking at a campaign rally today.

What I think is that they have fear mongered us into believing that we must get rid of Obama and that may be true, BUT the way Romney comes across, it doesn't make you feel the change would be that urgent or that big of a change.

My question would be - If we have a Constitution, a Supreme Court and a military that pledges they will "uphold the Constitution of the United States", how is Obama going to become a dictator and how will he change us without legal challenge?

Because, if all of this is fear mongering, I would rather muddle through 4 more years of Obama than to have 8 years of Rhino status quo. They are killing our country as well. We need a committed conservative and that will only happen like it did with the rise of the Tea Party. That group was destined to fall apart because they refused to have a leader and some co-opted factions and ruined a good thing. Nonetheless, it showed what Americans will do if the fighting gets tough, the tough get fighting.

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A little more on the Brokered Convention

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I cant support a nut case like Paul who suggested we cut off the troops AC in the tents to save money and when asked how he would deal with the world said how about do unto others..... ,total idiot statement sounded like it came from Barck.

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This is what we want to happen and I am hoping that Ron Paul can bring it! :thumbsup

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Reading this article paragraph below, would this be the point in the video, that Rule 38 does not conflict with Rule 11?

Recap:

RNC Rule 38: No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or congressional district to impose the Unit Rule.

RNC Rule 11: All delegates from one state or congressional district are required and bound to vote as a unit.

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The RNC had no problem when Florida and Arizona violated party rules by holding winner-take-all primaries prior to the date the rules said such contests could happen.

The RNC didn't step in when the Iowa Republican party screwed up the counting of votes and lost the results from several precincts.

The RNC sat idly by while the Maine Republican leadership declared Romney the winner despite the fact that many votes hadn't yet been counted.

The RNC didn't care when the state of Michigan changed their rules at the last minute to hand all the at-large delegates to Romney instead of splitting them with Santorum.

The RNC had nothing to say when hundreds of people were illegally turned away from party caucus sites in Washington State,

The RNC didn't care when police had to be called to caucuses in Missouri, where local party leaders gamed the system to benefit their chosen candidates.

The RNC had no problem when Nevada Republicans attempted to hold a special caucus only for religiously-observant people and then took two full days to count the results.

Time after time throughout this campaign, the RNC has been willing to ignore their own rules and blatant attempts to manipulate the delegate selection process. But now they say they will not seat Nevada if too many Paul supporters end up getting elected as delegates by following the rules and showing up and voting?

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What can that accomplish? i dont get it

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Where in the world is Digging4Truth!!!!

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And at a Brokered Convention, a favored candidate can be drafted in. This is what we are pushing for.

Today, I heard Greta saying that Romney's campaign is in trouble if people like Gingrich, Bachmann, Perry, etc. are saying, "Well, Romney would be better than Obama." Her point is that these statements are showing "unenthusiastic support" for the presumed nominee. We need a Brokered Convention.

And we may not get it, but at least you can be guaranteed there are people in this country, like myself, who are not afraid to stand up and fight for the American people. At least give us that if you don't agree or quite understand what we are about.

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I imagine the RNC is mad as you know what double toothpicks! :toofunny

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go ron paul! great news po.

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:heeheehee :thumbsup

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More misinformation.

RNC Rule 11:

http://www.gop.com/images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

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Thanks!

I was checking the information and received this:

Ok, I need to clarify this. Rule 38 does not apply to the situation in NV.

Clearly the guy reporting doesn't understand what the Unit rule is. The Unit rule is like "Winner take all," the winner gets all the votes.

It does not override the state plans put in place under rule 15B. In fact, the
state plan under 15 B that was winner take all.... was changed. All the primaries are proportional. All the states are proportional.... unless they had a NON BINDING PPP and caucus (like MO) or a blind primary (PA).

According to NV's state plan, the delegate assignments go based on the results of the vote in late January (just after Florida?). Mitt Romney received a huge portion, that is why he has most of the delegates.

Therefore Rule 38 does not apply.

Now, here is the question we SHOULD be asking...

IF there was no voter fraud, then how is it that delegates for Romney have not materialized? I mean, if he HONESTLY won the state, then how is it he is having a tough time getting delegates elected? HUM??? How is it that a guy who was a distant second is getting his peeps voted in? Did Romney win the election honestly? Was there some kind of chicanery?

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Interesting article.

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Or instead of voter fraud maybe since Paul is the only competition left then he is pulling in alot of the Newt and Santorum voters to his side. On top of that since he is the only competition to Mitt his supporters are probably very energized. Seems more likely an explanation than voter fraud.

I think all these claims of voter fraud that pop up in every election are going to do more to destroy America than anything an elected official could do... It causes a loss of faith in the whole system and thats a major problem. One day when a popular enough candidate loses then his followers are going to yell voter fraud and riots and other bad things are going to happen far and wide.

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Well, we certainly can't deny voter fraud in the NY primary with the Rockland County Republican Chair's robocall saying that ALL candidates had dropped out of the race - vote for Romney. :thumbsdown

And voter fraud is going to be a large part of the conversation being that Obama practiced it more wickedly in 2008 with Acorn, etc. The process is already tainted and mistrust grows by the day.

Ron Paul is pulling ahead with the delegate count because, he had boots on the ground and a well laid strategy in place last year. We got news of it and I've posted it here - he wasn't sweating the polling because, he had delegates in place. That information is turning out to be true. It has nothing to do with anyone dropping out. His supporters knew what they were doing and send out a memo with instructions. Wish I would have saved it. It was very well planned - way in advance - point by point, step by step.

The RNC has violated so many of it's own rules that I think they will still win this for Romney, but I would love to see Ron Paul stop the Establishment.

Our advice to voters - Vote for your candidate of choice in the upcoming primaries - Santorum, Newt and Paul are still on the ballots. Stop Mitt! :)

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Republican Executive Committee Member Calls for Resignation of RNC Chairman Reince Priebus

Due to an alleged violation of the national GOP's Rule # 11 (bans favoritism of one candidate while more than one candidate exists), an Executive Committee member within the GOP calls for the resignation of RNC Chairman Reince Priebus.

Rule #11 states:
"Rule No. 11 Candidate Support
(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing deadline for that office. In those states where state law establishes a nonpartisan primary in which Republican candidates could participate, but in which the general election may not include a Republican candidate, the candidate endorsed by a convention held under the authority of the state Republican Party shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the Republican nominee.

(b) No state Republican Party rule or state law shall be observed that allows persons who have participated or are participating in the selection of any nominee of a party other than the Republican Party, including, but not limited to, through the use of a multiparty primary or similar type ballot, to participate in the selection of a nominee of the Republican Party for that general election. No person nominated in violation of this rule shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state."

This call for resignation is based upon statements released by the RNC on 4/25/12 that said,

“Governor Romney’s strong performance and delegate count at this stage of the primary process has made him our party’s presumptive nominee,” Mr. Priebus said. “In order to maximize our efforts I have directed my staff at the R.N.C. to open lines of communication with the Romney campaign.”

and

“It’s my intention to have a seamless and complete merger between the presumptive nominee and the Republican National Committee,” Mr. Priebus said. “That means political, communications, fund-raising, research and the chairman’s office, along with the governor’s main operational team, are completely merged.”

http://www.pr.com/press-release/410950

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Furthering the conversation. More information I received.

Why Reince Priebus must resign as RNC chair and why Mitt Romney may not be able to be the GOP nominee at ALL now.

RULE NO. 11

Candidate Support

(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing deadline for that office. In those states where state law establishes a nonpartisan primary in which Republican candidates could participate, but in which the general election may not include a Republican candidate, the candidate endorsed by a convention held under the authority of the state Republican Party shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the Republican nominee.

(b) No state Republican Party rule or state law shall be observed that allows persons who have participated or are participating in the selection of any nominee of a party other than the Republican Party, including, but not limited to, through the use of a multiparty primary or similar type ballot, to participate in the selection of a nominee of the Republican Party for that general election. No person nominated in violation of this rule shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state.

Since Mitt Romney does not have 1,144 delegates (therefore the first condition holds) and Ron Paul is still in the race (therefore the second condition also holds), Mitt Romney is not the Republican Party Nominee.

As a result Reince Priebus and Mitt Romney have violated Rule 11 of the GOP rules (see attached screenshot from the Mitt Romney site) and check out the finer text at Mitt’s campaign site (https://www.mittromney.com/donate ): “Already hit your limit? If you’ve given the maximum of $2,500 for the primary and $2,500 for the general election to Romney for President, you can still give to the Romney Victory fund, our joint fundraising committee with the Republican National Committee by clicking here.”

And Rule 11 is very clear that no one nominated in violation of Rule 11 can be considered a nominee from a state EVEN IF “prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved” has been received.

Therefore, as long as Romney doesn’t currently have 1,144 delegates from the state that have already certified their state’s nominee, he’s not the nominee because the other states can’t certify him now.

A motion has already been entered to remove Reince Priebus from his chairmanship as a result: http://www.pr.com/press-release/410950

http://api.ning.com/files/taoKz6SSEH...ES_Adopted.pdf

http://api.ning.com/files/p2PfcInO**...RuleDebate.pdf

http://api.ning.com/files/nPhjk3CdWY...screenshot.jpg

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GOP Leadership Calls for Reince Priebus to Resign! Unethical Rule Violation

Goes into more detail,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ZA9c4O8x2Ik

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Hey, jfrog, An update on the last video we discussed that you disagreed with.

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The first video: A conclusion reached off faulty reasoning.
This video: A conclusion reached off much better reasoning.

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Your point A is just silly.

His argument on both videos is the information he received from the RNC Legal Counsel: "The RNC does not recognize a state's binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose. The National Convention allows delegates to vote for the individual, regardless of whether the person's name is officially placed into nomination or not." Jennifer Sheehan, Legal Counsel for the RNC.

The Bottom line is that both parties - Democrats and Republicans - are NOT government agencies - they are private organizations. Therefore, voting within a party is NOT bound by election law.

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Ron Paul has won the GOP Oklahoma convention with 34/43 delegates. That means over 2/3 of the Oklahoma delegates will go to the Republican National Convention NOT supporting Mitt Romney.

Brokered Convention here we come!!! :cheer

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:thumbsup