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I'm just trying to get various perspectives on the subject of talent vs. anointing. So, my question is this: do we base one's talent or anointing on what we see, hear, or know about a person?

Talking about gospel music, when certain lyrics are penned or certain songs are sung, it takes little to no time for chills to come over me. Many times, we associate that with feeling the presence of God, or saying "that's the Holy Ghost coming over me/us/you." When it comes to preaching/teaching, I've felt the chills on a number of occasions when certain scriptures are read and/or certain points are being made and God begins to move.

So, how does one know, or how can one distinguish the difference between talent and anointing? Do we start asking questions that start off as "Do they do this or that, do they know this or that, or do they look like this or that?"

What if God, in fact, does bless someone with a talent to be used as anointing to bless others, regardless of the questions we start asking in skepticism? Maybe an even more important question is: who are we to say what talent is compared to anointing?

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Don't you think for sake of everyone being on the same page, annointing and talent need to be defined respectively? If not, folks may not be talking about the same things..... I think you need to upack that a little more.

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I've always felt that 'anointing' was for the moment. "....and then the anointing came upon him!" sort of thing. Talent on the other hand is something you develop. Now there may be a certain amount that comes naturally but other than a savants I can think of no one was born being able to play the piano. It took many many hours of practice which takes place over years of time.

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I don't think your reaction to any particular media or preaching can be considered a sign of talent or annointing of the provider. I think the feeling of the Holy Spirit moving within you is produced by how that particular media affects your own personal walk. My sister feels the same move when she hears "Jesus take the wheel" because she has experience that scenerio.

The same can be said of preaching. I listened to a messege in a Baptist church that moved me tremendously because what was preached spoke to my life situation at hand.

How to judge ones talents or annointing can be difficult but I believe it is done more with spiritual decernment than what is produced or acted out.

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I'm very confused... are you using talent and annointing interchangeably?

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Regarding talent... I think one discovers talent that already resides in them... but you develop skill.

I have a natural talent for music... that was already inside me... just part of my fiber... and there was a natural raw talent (in potential) to play the piano... After I developed some SKILL, the talent came forth organically. I don't think someone can develop talent.... to me that's what skills are.

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I agree, I was blessed with perfect pitch and ear from a small child. I could pick out any off key or drop in pitch. I could sing harmony with anyone, but I am a natural alto.
Thankfully our Pastor encouraged that talent in me starting when I was a toddler.
My brother and sister are talented with instruments and singing. I can't play any instrument at all.
I cannot read any music, and the learning to breathe right to sing was a developed skill over time.

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I agree Scotty, talent is right for the first paragraph. The last sentence speaks to anointing. IMO

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I discovered I had a talent for ballroom dance.

It goes without saying that the UPC never encouraged its development. LOL

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I better not comment.

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Good grief?

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I do believe annointing can affect ones talents or even produce talents if it be the will of God.

Our drummer, who is now 19, started playing when he was 8 or 9. Just trying to learn on his own. He was terrible. Well, he could keep the basic beat, but thats about it. And he got only moderatly better as time passed. At age 11 he recieved the Holy Ghost. The following Sunday was like night and day. He played like he had been playing all his life with lessons included.

Does talent and annointing carry the same definition? No. Can they be closely related, definitly.

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In this thread (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...=39448&page=44), it was said people confuse talent with anointing much of the time, where Vestal Goodman's name was mentioned in the conversation. I'll let y'all click and read through it. But, that statement sparked my initial question above.

It's been my experience some people will base one's anointing on that person or those people's knowledge of who God is and how they live (UPC standards-wise). If they don't know who God is and don't have standards, then it's merely talent according to them.

Hopefully, that clears it up a little...

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But we will listen and even sing songs written and sung by people that aren't.

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Exactly. So, when I hear Clint Brown sing, he's only got talent. When I hear, The Collingsworth Family sing, they've only got talent.

Yet, when I hear Nancy Grandquist and her choir (from 2001) sing, they've got anointing. When I hear, IBC choir sing, they've got anointing.

When I hear (or watch) John Piper online or see a tweet of his, he just knows how to write something he thinks is correct. If I see a C. H. Spurgeon quote, well he just knew how to write so eloquently.

Yet, when I hear (or see) Anthony Mangun preach, oh he's definitely got the anointing. Etc, etc, etc...

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talent-
1. a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
(dictionary.com)


anointing-
(1.) The act of anointing was significant of consecration to a holy or sacred use; hence the anointing of the high priest (Ex 29:29; Lev 4:3) and of the sacred vessels (Ex 30:26).
(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

God can "anoint" a person's talent if it is consecrated to him. We can sense the Spirit moving in our lives to bless us when we are in the presence of that talent in operation. But even if a talent has not been consecrated to God, the Holy Spirit may bless us (we feel His "anointing") when we see/hear it (the talent) in operation, because God may choose to use it as a source of blessing to us. :)

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Exactly. Yet at the same time that does not mean God can not move you listening to Clint Brown.

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:thumbsup

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Actually, I was inserting some sarcasm when mentioning Clint. He might come across like he's trying to show off sometimes. But, I still feel like God's anointing takes place in his ministry, no doubt. And, yes, I am moved when listening to Clint, much the same way when listening to The Collingsworths, Nancy, or IBC... :)

I think some people define what they want when it comes to anointing. And, as far as I'm concerned, their definition is far too small in terms of who is...

It's simple, really. UPC or oneness people following standards = annointing. Everyone else = talent.

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I've heard far far too many preachers over the years who had no anointing and no talent, other than the talent to talk and talk and talk, yet not say anything -and do it loudly!

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Seems to me that anointing is supernatural where talent is natural.

Talent is the effect of the abilities of the doer executing a task.
Anointing is the effect of the Spirit on the doer executing a task.

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Too many times people in the church are afraid to send any praise to someone because of their talent, as if it is somehow wrong. I have a problem with that idea because it makes me wonder why even practice if it is so "fleshly" to be good at something? Maybe everything should just belt out hymns like old Sis Mildred and bang on a tambourine as the sole percussion instrument.

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There's nothing wrong with using one's talents for the Kingdom....as long as we remember it is His Kingdom. :)

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practice doesn't improve talent... that's skill.... big difference.

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"God Doesn't Call the Qualified...God Qualifies the Called!"

Do you guys believe that?

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I agree with that, and I also agree with the concept of practicing to get better at something.

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Why is there a 'big' difference (I will admit there is a small one)? There are some thing that I had NO talent in but acquired it through long practice.

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Perhaps "old Sis. Mildred" was just "making a joyful noise
unto the LORD"! Or "serving the LORD with gladness"! It is
Bibical, you know!!:nod

Falla39

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I agree.

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Not questioning Sis Mildreds spirituality, just her voice. :)

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Everything you post is so emphatic.......bolded like that.......:rofl:

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What do you mean by "bolding" all your posts? It's not quite like UPPER CASING EVERYTHING, which can be interpreted as raising your voice or hollering, but it seems close.....:nod Bolding is generally used to emphasis something important.

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My keyboard is stuck.

Are you saying my posts are not important ??????????????????

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http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=song+Blessed

I posted this thread some time ago. Listened to the YouTube and felt the Holy Ghost. Nancy Harmon came from a very conservative background and does not practice the things she was once a part of. I do believe she has the Spirit (anointing). I felt it as she sang this song. I also believe Jimmy Swaggart, although he has been broken, realizes more today than in his past. He didn't give up and join the type of music his cousins were a part of. Even old Jerry Lee Lewis sings some of the old hymns from time to time. Yes, he's old now and those old honky tonk songs that made him rise to popularity, will never bring him peace of mind.
"TIME changes everything except those things which are eternal". Quote from my late father-Rev Robert L. Blakey

Chances are, we too, if we live long enough, will be broken, if we haven't been already.

Falla39

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No more unimportant than mine?

Hey keyboards have come way down in price...;)

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:bored