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bbyrd009 05-24-2012 08:28 AM
The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?

AreYouReady? 05-24-2012 09:07 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Well byrd, why don't you give us a little more info about what you think and we can go from there.

You do realize though, that some would say that it is all "conspiracy theory" without providing any proof of rebuttal.

Fact, is there is real conspiracy going on right under the noses of the people.

Bro. Robbins 05-24-2012 09:53 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1164495)
Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?
You need to define "dynasty" for the context of the discussion.

Sam 05-24-2012 09:58 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
1 John 5:19 says
"...the whole world lieth in wickedness" (KJV)
"... lies under the sway of the wicked one" (NKJV)
"...lies under the power of the evil one" ((NIV, NLB, NASB).

Jesus called satan, "the prince of this world" in John 14:30

Paul called satan, "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4

When satan tempted Jesus he showed Him "all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time" and said, "all this power (authority) will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it" Luke4:5-6.

bbyrd009 05-24-2012 01:57 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
I've only heard this a couple times, Arnold Murray.
Sam has pointed out what might be termed the
Political, or maybe Economic, dynasties, but
Murray et al extend this to the areas of Education
and Religion.

AYR's "Fact, is there is real conspiracy going on right under the noses of the people"
is what I hoped might be clarified a bit more here; we are all generally aware of
satan's influence in these areas.

BR, as for defining "dynasty," I think what
is meant is "An area that a democracy might
assume they control, when in fact they do not,"
although a better def might arise here.

Sam 05-24-2012 02:08 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1164565)
I've only heard this a couple times, Arnold Murray.
Sam has pointed out what might be termed the
Political, or maybe Economic, dynasties, but
Murray et al extend this to the areas of Education
and Religion....
We have a federal level education bureau which oversees and sets curriculum and standards for education at that federal level. Remember, public schools are government schools. This way it can be mandated what is taught as far as history and morality and ethics from a federal level on down and imposed upon the local schools.

bbyrd009 05-28-2012 04:55 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20653
Well, I'd say that no one is good who has not accepted Christ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20655
You really should stop saying that. It's not true, it's ridiculous, and it makes you look bad. It's an _______ thing to say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20656
It's true, and it works. "Christ" = "Good" in the most literal way, and "Love Your Neighbor" should be considered a Name of Christ, to a human's literal thinking. Our image of Christ, that picture we have in mind when saying "...in Christ's Name..." is irrelevant to anyone else, God included. Meaning it is relevant only to you.

You only get what you give away;
ty for your contribution?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20657
Oh, I forgot. You don't post in English.
Well, most just lose what they hoard, but whatever.
How does "You only get..." not track as English?
See how confessing what you're getting also reflects what you're giving,
and is a beacon to others.

You and a friend often have the same assessment
of another, even vying to come up with just the right word, maybe-
-their beacon.

Quote:
--and then
really blossomed when I examined casting lots
to find God's will, to my surprise.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20655
Doing this and saying that it works make you look stupid.
:toofunny
Ya, it's only for when you're ready to get serious;
and serious to God is going to look stupid to you. Count on it.
I committed to following the results, of course.
Then, you commit to asking the Q's that start getting posed to you...
This really isn't for the faint-hearted; count the cost.
Your life will change completely, and your family will flip out.
Don't worry, they'll come around; or not.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 08:06 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20672
I talked about this on AFF, as you'll recall. I suggested rolling a die ten times (or whatever you do to "cast lots"), and find out if God's answer was the same every time. Next time you want to know God's will, would you mind trying this? If you get 10 "yeses" or 10 "nos" in a row, then I will be very surprised. (Assuming 'yes' and 'no' are defined reasonably. If 1 is yes and 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 is no, then 10 nos in a row would not be that impressive. In fact, why not designate "3" to be yes and "5" to be no? Anything else would indicate that God didn't influence it. Nothing but ten 3's in a row or ten 5's in a row will be a success.

But you won't do this. You'll have some excuse, like it would be displeasing to God or something. But I know the real reason. It is because you actually do know that casting a lot to find God's will is actually bunk. It is a random action, which will not really be influenced by God. You know this, but you will not admit to knowing it. Your refusal to try the 10-roll experiment is very telling. You (ahem - are you ready for this?) have revealed your premises!
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acerrak 05-29-2012 08:10 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165261)
].[
some days i feel like this, just a little spec amongst big walls

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 08:10 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009, post: 20677
Unfortunately, as in life, you do not get to set the rules;
you are seeking a miracle there, and no, I'm not interested.
You are correct, my premises are revealed.
I'm dragging this over here so that you may get some other reflections,
as I'll be away until tonight. Lots should be easy to Bible search, and there
is not a secret there. I just explained my experience of Casting Lots,
which entails no miracles, and one throw per Q.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 08:13 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1165263)
some days i feel like this, just a little spec amongst big walls
When ones eyes are opened, they see that even
the speck does not really exist; it is a manifestation, period.
A physicist knows this, that the speck is just an idea.

acerrak 05-29-2012 08:14 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165264)
I'm dragging this over here so that you may get some other reflections,
as I'll be away until tonight. Lots should be easy to Bible search, and there
is not a secret there. I just explained my experience of Casting Lots,
which entails no miracles, and one throw per Q.
is there such a thing as coincidence or is it the providence of God?

Joseph was a prime example of such things, as he was fixing to be killed along came a trader whom they sold to. etc etc. but it highlighted tyhe providence of God to keep Joseph safe and build him up to be the second ruler of egypt in a time where countries was dying of starvation. So why would casting lots be any different. I believe they where apealing to the Divine providence of God in such cases where lots was casted. (talking about the disciples of Christ)

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 08:20 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20679
Show me the rules. In the Bible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy, post: 20679
Show me the rules. In the Bible.
Just Bible search "casting lots," and be advised that for all I know,
you may never get to know Discernment this way, I don't know.
You will know God's will in a matter if you don't look for miracles.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 08:21 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1165267)
is there such a thing as coincidence or is it the providence of God?

Joseph was a prime example of such things, as he was fixing to be killed along came a trader whom they sold to. etc etc. but it highlighted tyhe providence of God to keep Joseph safe and build him up to be the second ruler of egypt in a time where countries was dying of starvation. So why would casting lots be any different. I believe they where apealing to the Divine providence of God in such cases where lots was casted. (talking about the disciples of Christ)
Amen.

acerrak 05-29-2012 08:24 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165266)
When ones eyes are opened, they see that even
the speck does not really exist; it is a manifestation, period.
A physicist knows this, that the speck is just an idea.
if you live in a matrix world then yes there is no spoon, but for us. the spoon exists cause we live in the real world, and i use it to eat. Thus the spec exists.

Timmy 05-29-2012 08:33 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165268)
Just Bible search "casting lots," and be advised that for all I know,
you may never get to know Discernment this way, I don't know.
You will know God's will in a matter if you don't look for miracles.
I have done that before. There are no instructions on how to cast lots to find God's will. The examples don't say how many "casts" were done.

You said I don't get to make the rules. What are the rules? Tell me. And tell me where the rules came from.

Timmy 05-29-2012 08:35 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1164495)
Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?
Satan doesn't control anything.

Paul seemed to think that God controls politics. Romans 13. I don't agree with Paul, either.

acerrak 05-29-2012 08:47 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165278)
Satan doesn't control anything.

Paul seemed to think that God controls politics. Romans 13. I don't agree with Paul, either.
it depends on the context of the day and the situation he was addressing.
Peter said it was better to listen to God and not man, Peter went against his governmental authority.

so im just inclide to view it from a hebrew perspective. The example i have come from babylon. God raised them up to bring judgment to israel. near the end of the seige Jeremiah was telling people to surrendor themselves and their life would be spared.

like i said this was a isolated event, and this could also be a isolated event that we do not completly understand because of the day and age and the purpose it was written.

No one in Pauls day would have listened to Nero or dominition who claimed to be God in the flesh and wanted worship. a deeper study is needed.

Timmy 05-29-2012 08:49 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1165282)
it depends on the context of the day and the situation he was addressing.
Peter said it was better to listen to God and not man, Peter went against his governmental authority.

so im just inclide to view it from a hebrew perspective. The example i have come from babylon. God raised them up to bring judgment to israel. near the end of the seige Jeremiah was telling people to surrendor themselves and their life would be spared.

like i said this was a isolated event, and this could also be a isolated event that we do not completly understand because of the day and age and the purpose it was written.

No one in Pauls day would have listened to Nero or dominition who claimed to be God in the flesh and wanted worship. a deeper study is needed.
Did he write Rom 13 TIC? Was he being facetious?

acerrak 05-29-2012 08:54 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165284)
Did he write Rom 13 TIC? Was he being facetious?
it could be several things. it could be a faulty translation, it could be from another as there is other writers letter mixed in with pauls epistles. or it could be taken out of context.

it could be a ruler in the church, or it could be talking about the commandments which is mentioned. i dont think he was joking. i would have to look at it more.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 09:19 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1165272)
if you live in a matrix world then yes there is no spoon, but for us. the spoon exists cause we live in the real world, and i use it to eat. Thus the spec exists.
I didn't mean to imply that it didn't exist,
but that we see it too literally.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 09:22 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165277)
I have done that before. There are no instructions on how to cast lots to find God's will. The examples don't say how many "casts" were done.

You said I don't get to make the rules. What are the rules? Tell me. And tell me where the rules came from.
Ok, stop. You make a puzzle of a piece.
123=left, and 456=right. Cast once,
pre-committing to the result.

Commit to asking the Q's that will
then begin to arise in your mind,
with the same commit to follow,
if you dare.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 09:25 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acerrak (Post 1165282)
it depends on the context of the day and the situation he was addressing.
Peter said it was better to listen to God and not man, Peter went against his governmental authority.

so im just inclide to view it from a hebrew perspective. The example i have come from babylon. God raised them up to bring judgment to israel. near the end of the seige Jeremiah was telling people to surrendor themselves and their life would be spared.

like i said this was a isolated event, and this could also be a isolated event that we do not completly understand because of the day and age and the purpose it was written.

No one in Pauls day would have listened to Nero or dominition who claimed to be God in the flesh and wanted worship. a deeper study is needed.
Hey, at the end of the day, God controls everything. This doesn't mean
that satan does not have a domain, or domains, and control them right now.
We live in a fallen world.

acerrak 05-29-2012 09:49 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165292)
Hey, at the end of the day, God controls everything. This doesn't mean
that satan does not have a domain, or domains, and control them right now.
We live in a fallen world.
while God is the supreme authority i will agree. does things happen with out His approval? that would be a good question. I would say yes

Timmy 05-29-2012 10:14 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165290)
I didn't mean to imply that it didn't exist,
but that we see it too literally.
:spit

Timmy 05-29-2012 10:15 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165291)
Ok, stop. You make a puzzle of a piece.
123=left, and 456=right. Cast once,
pre-committing to the result.

Commit to asking the Q's that will
then begin to arise in your mind,
with the same commit to follow,
if you dare.
Sigh.

Timmy 05-29-2012 10:16 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165292)
Hey, at the end of the day, God controls everything. This doesn't mean
that satan does not have a domain, or domains, and control them right now.
We live in a fallen world.
:banghead

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 01:14 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165305)
:spit
ok, then grasp the mechanism whereby it happens: I say something (cast the die) being pre-committed to what I say, knowing that it will manifest into a speck, and I see that it is possible to make undesireable specks; not that the speck isn't "real," as it's very real. It is manifested, and you manifest.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 01:16 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
The initial grasp of this will prolly initially cause
a remarked state of dumbness in one, I guess.

bbyrd009 05-29-2012 01:17 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165306)
Sigh.
Oooooh; you tried that already and it didn't work, huh?

Timmy 05-29-2012 03:59 PM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165361)
Oooooh; you tried that already and it didn't work, huh?
No. But now that you mention it, how would I know if it worked? Say I ask God if he wants me to quit my job. I say 1, 2, or 3 means yes, and 4, 5, or 6 means no. I roll the die. Say it comes up 5.

Did it work?

Timmy 05-30-2012 08:29 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165420)
No. But now that you mention it, how would I know if it worked? Say I ask God if he wants me to quit my job. I say 1, 2, or 3 means yes, and 4, 5, or 6 means no. I roll the die. Say it comes up 5.

Did it work?
Wait, yes I did, kinda. Not once, but ten times. Which, of course, was a mistake. :)

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...65#post1143065

bbyrd009 05-30-2012 08:56 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Well T, all I can say is it works for me,
quite a bit beyond what I expected.
I've learned to guard what I ask,
as one might only present two options,
neither of which is the desired one (at first),
and so get an irrelevant answer.

Meaning that either choice should be possible;
"kill my adversary" would prolly never be one.
I remember now going 12 left, 34 right, 56 other unknown/wait...

Timmy 05-30-2012 10:16 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1165546)
Well T, all I can say is it works for me,
quite a bit beyond what I expected.
And you know you won't get the same answer with 10 rolls.

Quote:
I've learned to guard what I ask,
as one might only present two options,
neither of which is the desired one (at first),
and so get an irrelevant answer.

Meaning that either choice should be possible;
"kill my adversary" would prolly never be one.
You might be surprised. Randomness works that way, sometimes.
Quote:
I remember now going 12 left, 34 right, 56 other unknown/wait...
Try this at every intersection in a city, and see if God can get you to the post office. Ignore the people honking at you, when He tells you to wait. God has His reasons! :lol

RandyWayne 05-30-2012 10:32 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
These work for me. Well, about half the time.

http://www.jelldragon.com/images/ai_bag_of_runes.jpg

bbyrd009 05-31-2012 10:28 AM
Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1165559)
And you know you won't get the same answer with 10 rolls.


You might be surprised. Randomness works that way, sometimes.

Try this at every intersection in a city, and see if God can get you to the post office. Ignore the people honking at you, when He tells you to wait. God has His reasons! :lol
So, in other words, you got jokes here. Ok.


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