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A Picture of Jesus

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That is not a picture of Jesus since no one really knows what Jesus looks like.

That is one of the reason our ministry disaproves of pictures of Jesus, because I am sure that Jesus did not look european, he was a Jewish man.

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you said jew.

thats a broad brush brother. there is white jews, there is black jews, there is brown jews, also where did the europeans come from? where did the jews come from?

didnt they all come from the same 2 people.........

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We all come from Adam and Eve, there is no disputing that. However over time, we the human race diversify.

Yes there are jews of different races, but the prevalent Jewish features are not european.

The only reason Jesus looks european in most pictures is because Christianity flourished in Europe instead of the Middle east, otherwise the pictures of Jesus would have him looking like the middle eastern person that he was.

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how do we know that the jews didnt come from the europeans? i mean abraham came out of a well established city.

lol how do you define a jewish feature? i men you have a black jew and a white jew, both come fromt eh 12 patriarchs? there all mixed jesus has moabite in his line and some says moabites where black.

Jesus could be a dark skinned man or he could be white as a ghost. cause i see both these types of jews. also many jews are russian..

just sayin...........

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Good grief.

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I will be disputing that. You might also be descended from Eve and the Serpent, through Cain (Scripture verifies this in many places) or, there is ample evidence of an eighth day creation, as reflected in Scripture's delineation of men into "ish" or "adam." This delineation has not survived translation, but may be seen in the primitive texts, or by clicking "lexicon" in the relevant verses online.

This also clarifies who Cain could have married in the Land of Nod.
We surely did not all descend from Adam and Eve.

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Hmm, I always assumed these variances were post-diaspora,
and that Jews in Christ's time were pretty homogenous...

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Is anybody going to address the actual point of the picture? Who cares what Jesus looked like?

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BTW, an eye-witness says He looks like this:

http://shroudofturin.files.wordpress...pg?w=584&h=777

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Good grief

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:thumbsup

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Gratuitous, but uninformative. I have Scripture, if you like?
Or did Abel have sex with mom, or a sister, or what?
A & E is a great story, that supplies what it needs to,
but to assume we all descend from just them is unsupported
in Scripture, and also requires magical thinking.

The very phrase "eth ha Adam" indicates other lineages,
to argue the one, and I would just ask you who Cain's
father was, for the other.

I see no problem with telling the A & E story to
children, but imo there is too much meat to be
found by just a little digging for that story to suffice
for a seeker.

A study of Gen 3:20 "...mother of all the living,"
your only possible foundation, will reveal itself better
in the lexicon. Our common interpretation is ridic on its face:
what, "all the living" as opposed to "all the dead?"

A little seeking leads to finding here.

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Genesis 1:27-28 KJV

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 4:1-2 KJV

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

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Adam was Cain's father.

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This is disputed in Adam's lineage, in Genesis,
as well as more than one place, OT and NT,
that will testify that "Satan was the father of Cain."

To say that Adam was Cain's father is to deny the truth,
written plainly in more than one place in Scripture, sorry.

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But ok, if you translate Gen 4:1 that way,
which I understand, you are left with no other Scriptural support,
but must refute several verses to the contrary.

I'll admit it seems contradictory at first;
I did hear an illuminating message on this,
years ago, but I've forgotten the argument now-
-I remem it's even better than "ya,
that would be the first time a pregnant woman
'got pregnant' by a cuckolded man."

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I'm really not interested in convincing anyone here-
-but you might just define "Ish" and "Adam"
for yourself.

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:blink

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I guess that's a "no". :lol

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:heeheehee

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hey, that's fine; I have Q's too; but at least see that
all this "there is no doubt" stuff is yack, ok?

http://topicalbible.org/a/anthropology.htm
not the best outline, but might get one started.
Recog that Goliath was not a son of Adam (see "Geber")

We have only an extremely dim mirror in the Scripture
we read; a translation of a translation of a translation, at best.

For a comparable reflection, run any simple phrase through Gtranslate
from Hebrew, to Greek, to Latin, to English, and see what you get.

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I mean, it isn't so much a matter of salvation, as understanding.

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:lol

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I would like to know more about the pic. Is there a caption or something? Not sure I can figure it all out...

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I interpret it as Jesus taking his sin, pain, and sorrow. Paying the price as it were, for this man.
Isn't that what He does for all of us? Thank you, Jesus. He takes the worst, of the worse of us.

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Finally! :lol

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:thumbsup

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Yeah...

In places that is the farthest from "righteousness", "holiness" and "godliness", there is Jesus.

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Yes, I agree. He is there, but in our sin sometimes we just can't see him. Oh God, I pray that for everyone that is hurting and in sin. That our prayers reach you for them, in Jesus name, Amen!!

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Separated at birth?
http://alicook.files.wordpress.com/2...pperfield2.jpg

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Sounds like "serpent seed" to me

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I downloaded the picture and it had no caption.

I think the post by Cindy explains it:

Originally Posted by Cindy
I interpret it as Jesus taking his sin, pain, and sorrow. Paying the price as it were, for this man.
Isn't that what He does for all of us? Thank you, Jesus. He takes the worst, of the worse of us.

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Good grief!

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Well, I'm still learning there, but "serpent seed"
seems to be supported in Scripture, both OT and New?
"Satan is the father of Cain." Pretty plain to me. I don't
know if the mark of Cain was being made black or not,
and I would not extend that to all black people if it was-
-I mean, at that point, we may as well accept as true
"them what killed our Lord."
Kenites might have originally been black,
but we also have black Jews now.

I wouldn't mind hearing an unbiased opinion that
clarifies this more, as I'm really not grasping the objection to
serpent seed--is that it, that people might relate it to blacks?
Really, whether SS is literal or only spiritual strikes me more
as an understanding issue than a salvation issue-
-to me it is the model that makes the most sense
(the serpent is transformed after into a species
that could not mate w/humans any longer, say; etc),
and I doubt that the understanding I have now
is the one I will have then. I'm still trying to integrate
this "Adam" and "Ish" thing in there too.

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Sorry if I missed it, but have you posted the scripture that says Satan was the father of Cain? And what the "correct" translation of Genesis 4:1 ("And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD") is?

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Timmy, we agree on something! Is that the first or the second time, and will it ever happen again? :highfive


I have started pondering about the appropriateness of rendering an image of Christ, especially considering the strict prohibition on such imagery in the Law. God commanded it, and I am no longer certain that it is an acceptable practice. Why do we feel comfortable with this I wonder? Is it not borderline sacrilege?

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I think it's just if we pray to an image or worship an image. If there is scripture otherwise I don't know about it.

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"If we only knew what the Muslims know!"

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:spit