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i can see where hate speech laws are going with this video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1555735.html

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That is just too sad and shameful.

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I have a facebook friend who has posted some of these things. While I do not agree that all of them are taken in context, I have stated that there are many better ways to express our disapproval of sinful lifestyles. We need to be known for having mercy and grace in our hearts. This does not mean that we embrace, condone, or accept sin, but rather that we lovingly teach and preach against it in the fulness of the love of Jesus. Let His example with the women who were living immoral lifestyles be our guide when dealing with those outside of the church who are living the same.

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The right for them to say these things are untouchable. That does not mean it's not crude or insensitive - it is.

For me, the biggest problem is the age of this child. I would have walked out with my family.

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:thumbsup

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I would have likely done the very same thing. I do not understand how they can do these things.

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Perhasp some people will bash this video as hateful.

but first of all this boy singing does not call for the murder or bashing of homosexuals.

The boy is actually singing a truth from the Bible, that no homosexual will make it into heaven, that is unless that homosexual repents and becomes a Christian.

Perhaps the fact that it is a little boy singing it, makes it seem outrageous to some, but What if the little boy sung, no adulterer will make it into heaven, would that be acceptable?

God in the old testament mandated death for the homosexual, he now mandates repentance, big change.

Can we accuse God of being homophic because he mandated the death penalty for homosexuality? Who is God to impose his desire upon the whole nation of Israel or the whole world?

We can accept the word of God and accept that he is a righteous holy God and homosexuality is not compatible with salvation or we can accuse God of being an intolerable hateful homophobic.

Homosexuals call anything but approval of their lifestyle as hate, well I know that my God is Love, yet he does not give his approval to that lifestyle.

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I would not like it if little kids were singing about adultery either.

About the bolded portions - I agree.

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From what I understand the Pastor of this church is a good and kind man... unfortunately someone made a bad decision in allowing this on the web. Hopefully it will die down and the media wolves will find some more deserving sucker to devour.

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Jesus Christ never condoned sin-- but he wasn't crass or harsh with sinners. He was "rough" with self-righteous "church folk."


I didn't finish watching the video and I found the attitude or even "spirit" of the song and audience in the video to be void of real Christianity.


Forget that it should not have been put on the web.
It should have never happened!

God HATES a proud look!

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well the bible in the old testament told them to instruct their kids morning and night time about the laws. psalms or songs i guess was a standard way of teaching kids some way to help them remember it. However i do agree.

But there isnt really any point in bashing a gay person for being gay. If they dont believe what the word of God says, then your not going to convience them of their sin.

But the day the word of God comes alive then progression can move foward.

I also want to point back to parenting for a minute about a situation my pastor brought up at a youth rally convention. I think the boy was around 12-14 years old. After service they had alter call and this boy was up their praying that he wouldnt be gay. so my buddy asked him do you think you are gay?

Come to find out it was the parents verbal abuse of the child, cause the child wasnt manly enough so the father kept down grading the kid to that of a person who was gay. He heard it so much he thought he was turning into one.

its a sad story but stuff like this happends all the time.

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It works quite often, though. Gay kids growing up in Christian families often do believe, and are convinced/convicted of their sin. It's just that they can't do anything about it, other than fall into depression, perhaps consider suicide, sometimes going through with it. At least, that's a common response. There are stories of deliverance, and turning straight. Seems to be very rare, though. Didn't work for the founders of Exodus International, but I suppose it's possible for some.

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people have the ability to change if they want to. Sometimes that change is hard. I know i have struggled with Issues.

I smoked for 15 years, i wanted to stop, and so i did. was it hard yes. very but also rewarding.

its the same with gay people, if they want to change then they can, but if they dont want to, im not going to try and force them to. I am also not going to condem them to hell either.

cause until the word of God becomes alive to them, they dont even believe in what i believe in. So just have to reach a mutual place.

its sin regardless i understand that, but at the same time how many of us walk a perfect life, I BET the answer is none. I remember listening to a singer during the gospel hour show on tbn.

He said he was a former gay, and that he still struggles with it. I knew another man UPCI apostolic. worship singer. He was struggling with being gay and thinking about gayish tendancies. Yet the man was apostolic in every way. eventually he went back to gay and was forced to leave the upci because of the ridicule.

The Spirit man is at war with the flesh and will be until we die. regardless of what labels we want to stick on someone.

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Jesus looks at sinners with eyes of love. He does not however want them to live in sin, he wants to deliver them from it.
On the other hand, the enemy looks at sinners with eyes of pride. He wants to keep them in sin, so he can show God that he is more powerful. And he does this with lies. Just as he lied to Eve, he continues to lie to all humanity. You shall not surely die! Go ahead taste the forbidden fruit, you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
Sin is death.
And hating others is a sin.

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We need more compassion in Christianity. Christ died for every last soul on the planet, even those in gross sin. The Law would demand that we beat, and even stone, a rebellious child. Our ethic doesn't come from the Law... it comes from agape love. I don't think encouraging the homosexual to "change" is a good idea. It fails most of the time. We should encourage that all strive to be as much like Jesus as possible, and allow grace to pick up where we fall down. I do believe that a supernatural touch from God is needed on some things. Perhaps this is one of those things.

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This church is Apostolic, non-UPC

Did the boy sing about the adulterers, liars and gossipers that aint gonna be in heaven either?

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IDK, but most of those type of songs do have about ten verses that name various sins.

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If so it's funny the media focused on 1

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:thumbsup

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can I change the title to Gah hate? Pleeeeeeease?

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Only those hidden in Christ will see Heaven's shores.

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is there shores in heaven?? wouldnt that mean there is a beach?

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Acerrak, I believe that there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. A new creation is a new creation. New everything.

Some don't believe in a new creation. That's cool. Take it as a euphemism.

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rev 21:1
New International Version (©1984)
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

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You guys ever read the Bible some of it is offensive to some. Just saying...............

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sometimes it blows my mind away, sometimes it upsets me cause i cant understand a specific thing cause it is beyond my grasp to understand the why of the subject.. like ( Jephthah sacrifice his daughter ) a arogant man making a terrible vow that didnt honor God,
but im not sure i would call the bible offensive to me.

But to a sinner yea i guess it can be. does the bible ever offend you?

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It is offensive to our flesh, but should not be offensive to our spirit!!

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This video is sick.

Why would any church rejoice that any person or group is going to "miss Heaven?"

That is completely anathema to the mission of Jesus Christ.

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I understand your perspective. Homosexuality is being crammed down our throats. This church wasn't rejoicing that homo's are burning forever. They were rejoicing that their kids are learning that homosexuality will send you to hell. This Pastor loves sinners but hates sin.

I do understand how this clip could seem way over the top. If you took in the whole service or ministry of this man you'd probably understand differently.

We cannot be kind towards homosexuality. We can be kind to homosexuals though.. and hope and pray they repent.

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Homosexuality is taught against in the Bible. You may not like the fact that this 4 yr old boy is being taught that but I do not like the idea that the homosexual agenda is cramming down the throats of children that Bobby has two mommies!

The video should not have been take but it was.

We ought to take the same indignation against the homosexual agenda.

Instead we have supposed apostolic wanting to condone and make excuses.

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What is unacceptable to me is that the little boy is singing about something he knows nothing about. I would imagine he has no idea what a homo is.

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Hate the sin. Love the sinner. Jesus did!

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Nahhhhh. They were chearing the words "ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven".

It happened twice. If he sang "Jesus is my Lord" I hope to God they cheered a LOT more because there is a LOT more to cheer about Jesus being that kids Lord than Homosexuals going to hell

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Please show us who here condoned homosexuality

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Where did that song mention adultery? Lying? Gossip? Maybe add "Aint no adulterous pastor gonna make it to heaven"?

He's talking about Aquila. ROFLOL

Why?

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what?

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Let's say all the time drunks were teaching our kids,telling them that being a drunk is normal and you can choose to get drunk all you want and God made you to be a drunk. Our kids hear alcoholism is perfectly acceptable behavior and people that say being a drunk is wrong are bigots and hateful. Sooo... The little Christian boy sings.. ain't no drunkards going to heaven.. which is biblical.

Same thing. ( insert whatever sin that is being crammed down our societies throat)

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God is Holy.

Your profane.