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"Rowan says the 50-year-old pastor and his daughter were arguing over whether she could go to a party when Dollar "got physical" with her, leaving her with "superficial injuries."


Dollar faces misdemeanor charges of simple battery and cruelty to children. He bonded out of Fayette County jail Friday morning. Dollar's lawyer Nikki Bonner said he's gathering information on the case and had no comment."


"Superficial injuries"? I can't tell you how many times I sustained "superficial injuries" every time I had to go cut a switch when I was growing up.

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Good for Creflo. I would have gotten "superficial injuries" as well if I acted like a dirtbag with my mom at 15.

It's a shame that parents have to be afraid of the authorities when it comes to discipling their children these days.

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Since we have zero details, I have zero comments. For now. :)

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What he said.

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Wow.

I certainly understand his anger and frustration at his daughter's defiance. However, getting that physical with a 15 year old isn't very wise.

Could he have told her not to go and walked out of the room... and if she left... could he have called the police and register her as a runaway? Let the police manhandle her.

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There is a small discussion on the other thread about internet/media propaganda.

This is a good example of mainstream media propaganda above. It is worded just right in that those of us who really really dislike the prosperity doctrine would look down on Creflo Dollar.

Then they go on a diatribe about the investigation into his wretched prosperity doctrine, which by the way, has nothing to do with the current situation.

No matter how much I dislike this man's tactics, I consider this to be a hit piece against Creflo Dollar. No reprimand against a rebellious daughter who, according to what this article hints at...took the first shot at her father.

Biblically, she is not to touch her parents this way.

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this is gonna hurt me more than you boy

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You just like me, don't knolw what happened.

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I have to ask: If it's a crime (battery) to hit an adult, why isn't it a crime to hit a child?

Basically, if Creflo Dollar had hit his daughter and she was 18 years and a day old, there would be no question about being charged with battery (there could and should be a question about his guilt/innocence). But she's 15. Can he just hit her and there be no consequences because she's a minor?

We prosecute husbands and wives who hit each other (domestic battery). Why does it take a kid getting half-beaten to death before the state will step in and prosecute? Is it because the parents and their co-religionists will step up and say that it's their prerogative to spare the rod and spoil the child?

What kind of example are people setting for the world when they whack their kids?

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For the record, my mother used to hit me and my siblings with a metal flyswatter when I was a child. All it did was turn me into a better liar. I did grow up to be a law-abiding citizen, I don't think it was the whacks that kept me on the straight and narrow. Rather, it was my father telling me (and my siblings) bluntly that if we got into trouble, he would not bail us out of jail.

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I don't know the first thing about this case - and frankly, don't care to. I will let the authorities determine how it should be handled.

However, I will share one thing with you that we've experienced lately. My brother has two daughters who he's raised completely on his own. His ex-wife was a drug addict, alcoholic and a whore (literally) who walked out when his youngest was a baby, then walked in front of a car when she was high/drunk when the youngest was 3 and was killed instantly. So he's done the best he could with the girls, working full time, raising them, sacrificing for them and being both mother and father as needed. So now they are 22 and 18. The 22 year old is unmarried, has a baby who is 1 year old and is so much like her mother it is not funny. The 18 year old just graduated high school and is a trip and a half! The whole world revolves around her. She will tell you flat out "it's MY way or NO way!". Neither of them will do a thing around the house to help out, even tho Dad goes to work at 3:30 am and works 10-12 hour days to keep a roof over their heads. I mean that literally. NOTHING. They do absolutely nothing. And they fight with each other constantly. Sometimes literally - knock down, drag out. He finally got tired of it and told Chelsea after her graduation that it was time for her to grow up and move out on her own. So she went to the police and asked if he could do that!!! And guess what - He CAN't!! He has to give them an eviction notice ($200 cost for that) and 30 days. Hello? Its HIS house!! But nope. That's not how it works.

I say all that to say, maybe this guy abused his daughter. Or maybe he didn't. We don't really know. But what we do know is that our system is sick and it is very possible for him to be accused and/or convicted of something that never happened or that was certainly much more minor than it was made out to be. Let's not crucify him just yet. On the other hand, if there ever is proof that his abuse was what she says - then shame on him and hang him out to dry!

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Perhaps some parents have waited too late to start "training up a child" in the way they SHOULD go! I'll tell you for sure, I would not have dared to argued with my late father about going to a "party". I would have "feared" to argue with my parents. I learned to Reverence and Respect my parents and grandparents, before I learned to fear (respect and reverence) my GOD! I knew they loved me and wanted the best for me. Later this would be transferred to my Father in Heaven.

Don't know what kind of party it was, but if my Dad had not approved, I would not have went a step farther. His word would have been the last word! I highly respected my father and mother.
Today I claim them as my late earthly heros! Along with Grandma Lizzie, etc!

If children don't honor and respect their father and mother, they have no promise of long life.

Many children from the previous generation did not respect their parents, and followed not in the ways of God as did their parents. Today they are parents and their children have no respect or reverence for their parents, OR their Grandparent's GOD!! It will only get worse until someone realizes and repents of the neglect and disobedience of the WORD OF GOD!

When young children disrespect their parents, it may be that the parents didn't demand respect when they were small. Respect must start early. When teenagers argue, and they talk back and show disrespect, it angers parents and it many times provokes them to anger. The Bible gives instruction to fathers in:
Ephesians 6:4 kjv
"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord".

When parents do what the WORD instructs them to do, it usually, if not always, works out!

We eleven siblings of our parents were/maybe not have been perfect! BUT we were TRAINED UP, in the fear and admonition of the LORD! Our parents did their part! They did not consider themselves perfect, but did their best. They looked to God, just as others, to do what they may have lacked, in wisdom, ability, etc. GOD WILL DO THE PERFECTING!:thumbsup

Falla39

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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The police go by visible injuries in any domestic violence situation. I am wondering where the Mom is in all this, and think there is more to this story.

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If I had a Dollar for every time.......

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Amen.:thumbsup

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Guy in video don't know what happened either.

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You ok with choking and punching a kid?

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I feel If you lay into them when they real young you don't have to do to much when older. My thing was if bad enough to bring out belt make sure you make rememberable.

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Nobody wanted to answer my question about how it could be a crime if you do it to an adult, but not a crime if you do it to one of your children.

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It apparently is a crime since he got arrested.

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I think he should not have spent so much time in his sermon yesterday trying to refute the charges and make his daughter look like a liar. Whether he's guilty or not - it just made him look worse. JMHO

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not to his home church ..... they all cheered for him.... mission accomplished followers happy. more money for my personal mansion jet cars etc etc...

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Don't like Creflo 'my favorite nation is donation' Dollar as far as doctrine, but this situation smells fishier than his teaching. Think homegirl was rebelling and Creflo didn't spare the rod. In the process the girl fought him.

Besides, if she was choked where are the bruises?



Mama always lied on that one!

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Are you talking about spanking or abuse?

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Spanking can be abuse.

In the case of Creflo Dollar, apparently he hit the girl with his shoe, then proceeded to choke her. She has a scratch on her neck--he says it's from eczema. Thing is, she didn't call the cops, her 19 YO sister did.

I am of the opinion that since it's a crime to hit an adult (or an animal!!!) like this, it should be a crime to hit a child in the same way. However, there are a lot of people out there who think that they own their children and can do anything they want to them and the government better not interfere. If you can't kick a dog, you better not be kicking your daughter.

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kids need to be whooped for disobedience. the lack of discipline is what is causing this newer generation of rebels to start popping up.

I understand the difference between beatings and whoopings. none the less it isnt supposed to tickle when i smack their rear-end

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What's the difference between "whooping" your kid who disobeys and "whooping" your employee if s/he makes a mistake at work that costs you money or damages your business' reputation? I can tell you: if you do the former, you'll get a pass as long as you don't leave physical bruising. If you were to whoop up on your employee, even yelling at someone can be assault. "Offensive touching" can be battery.

Again, I repeat--if someone saw a person whooping on a dog the way some people whoop on their kids, they'd be going to jail for cruelty to animals. I am reminded that the first case of cruelty to a child was brought under an animal abuse statute because there was simply no conception that one could abuse their child prior to the end of the 19th century.

I was hit with a metal flyswatter as a kid back in the 1960s. In the long run, I don't think it taught me anything except how to be a better liar. What got my attention more, and kept me on the straight and narrow, was my father's statement that he wouldn't bail us kids out of jail. He demonstrated this by refusing to bail one of my cousins out. My cousin's coworkers had to pony up the money.

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Yeah...society has just gotten so much better, and kids have become so much more well behaved, since people stopped lighting up their kid's rear ends when they got out of line.

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kids need discipline and if you believe in the bible then you will believe when it says do not spare the rod. they need to be taught right from wrong and some times it comes through a spanking, but if you teach them now then the spanking one seem like anything compared to the trouble that you will save them later down the road.

Im not talking about abuse, im talking about teaching them yes and when necessary to punish with a whoopin. sorry time outs dont work, lack of discipline on kids allows them to grow up with out the fear of reprocations.

the difference with a child and a employer which is a stoopid contrast is i have to live with the kid and i am responsible for their actions. A company can simply fire you i cannot simply fire my kids.

its this type of thing that has kids roaming around doing things they should not do knowing they are not going to get in trouble or punished, and then time when they are its just a little slap on the risk ..... no they need it. its the lack of concern for parents for the development of their child if they do not discipline and structure there child.

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The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do today. We don't practice chattel slavery--which was acceptable in Bible times. We don't kill women who fail to cry out when they're raped or take disobedient children to the elders of the city and have them stoned (that's in the Old Testament laws). Those are some biggies I can think of off the top of my head.

If we can change our minds about those things (and I will admit, here in the USA we fought a civil war, then had a 80+ year period of Jim Crow, and we're still working through the effects), then maybe it's worth looking at whether or not spanking your kids is useful or effective and should be done.

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do now even though the Bible approves of them.

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that was my childhood. when i messed up I knew i was going to get it. But i did something i knew i shouldnt have done. Yes i got the switch from the tree yes i was whooped with it, and yes i learned from it and i turned out fine.

Kids dont need patty cake with their butt. They need to understand you do wrong it results in punishment. I will lecture my kids, telll them why i am doing this then give them the punishment they meritted.

Im not back handing them in the face or beating them to i see blood. thats abuse.

If this girl was my daughter which i have 2. I would tell her no to the party. her reaction would determine how i would proceed. I dont allow back talk. its a no-no. and if she would have raised her voice or even got a tone change i woudl have grounded her from going outside for a week. If she kept pressing my buttons you better believe im gonna whoop that bottum...

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Proverbs says plainly that you should beat your child to deliver their soul from hell. I believe it is true. Not as in beating to a pulp, but as in beating their hind ends.

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Yes we only spank them now we don't take them out and stone them.

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This just raises a fun question to think about. Should we have ever stopped doing what the Bible demonstrated in those things? Are we really better off by doing things the way we do now instead of the way the book tells us they were to be done?