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Aquila 06-13-2012 09:22 AM

What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
In the United States we have a legal institution officially known as marriage. In various states we also have Civil Unions. In some states we have Common Law Marriage. In Ohio, and other states, those wishing to cohabitate without becoming entangled in the laws regarding what is officially known as "marriage" or "civil union" can file a "Cohabitation Agreement" that determines various responsibilities, roles, etc; nearly mirroring the stipulations of "marriage". These agreements also determine what is to happen should the cohabitating individuals terminate their relationship with regards to dividing property and assets. Alimony, child support, child custody, etc. might also be a part of the Cohabitation Agreement in some states. Most Cohabitation Agreements are settled in mediation without requiring court costs and the normal expense of a "divorce". Many local governments and corporations offer benefit packages for "Domestic Partners" who cohabitate just as they do "married couples".

Biblically speaking, do all of these classify as a form of "marriage"?

Should a straight couple who entered into a Civil Union be recognized as husband and wife?

Should couple who are legally married under Common Law be recognized as husband and wife?

Should a couple who have legally established a Cohabitation Agreement be recognized as husband and wife?

Thanks!

NotforSale 06-13-2012 04:22 PM

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Jermyn Davidson 06-13-2012 04:45 PM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1168000)
In the United States we have a legal institution officially known as marriage. In various states we also have Civil Unions. In some states we have Common Law Marriage. In Ohio, and other states, those wishing to cohabitate without becoming entangled in the laws regarding what is officially known as "marriage" or "civil union" can file a "Cohabitation Agreement" that determines various responsibilities, roles, etc; nearly mirroring the stipulations of "marriage". These agreements also determine what is to happen should the cohabitating individuals terminate their relationship with regards to dividing property and assets. Alimony, child support, child custody, etc. might also be a part of the Cohabitation Agreement in some states. Most Cohabitation Agreements are settled in mediation without requiring court costs and the normal expense of a "divorce". Many local governments and corporations offer benefit packages for "Domestic Partners" who cohabitate just as they do "married couples".

Biblically speaking, do all of these classify as a form of "marriage"?

Should a straight couple who entered into a Civil Union be recognized as husband and wife?

Should couple who are legally married under Common Law be recognized as husband and wife?

Should a couple who have legally established a Cohabitation Agreement be recognized as husband and wife?

Thanks!


I guess it depends who is looking at the couples to determine if their union is recognized.

Are Common Law and Cohabitors recognized by insurance companies and hospitals?

AreYouReady? 06-13-2012 08:58 PM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
The earliest Biblical marriage is Abraham and Sarah. Then Isaac and Rebecca.

And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.
(Genesis 24:67)

Then we see marriage ceremonies. There was no law of Moses to go before governmental authorities to marry. But there was a requirement to write a bill of divorcement put it into the wife's hand if the man wanted to divorce her.

God made marriage between a man and a woman simple.

Government, insurance companies, corporate benefits etc. complicated marriage.

Question here for ya. Is it a stretch to say that when a man and woman make the decision to have sex, they have joined themselves together and become "married" in God's eyes?

Sam 06-13-2012 09:03 PM

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there are several kinds of marriage in the Bible

SiblingRevelry 06-13-2012 10:17 PM

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I wondered if someone was going to post that picture of marriages in the Bible.

I'd also note that until after the Civil War, slaves were not permitted to contract marriages recognized under law, because they were property. So the slaves came up with their own rituals (e.g., "jumping the broom") to mark their own relationships. It didn't matter to the slaveowners, if they wanted to break up families, for whatever reason, they did, and there was no law stopping them. I have to wonder about the long-term impacts of a couple hundred years of constantly looming familial destabilization. It's not something that changed overnight, either. Up until 1967, interracial marriages were illegal in many states.

(I still remember my shock when I found my family's surname on a list of names to be scrutinized by Virginia county clerks when issuing marriage licenses, in order to catch people who were trying to marry across the color line. I also know that some of my ancestors would move a few states away and then marry across the color line, in a place where they weren't known. It's a weird feeling to imagine your ancestors getting married in defiance of law.)

Aquila 06-14-2012 06:18 AM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1168083)
I guess it depends who is looking at the couples to determine if their union is recognized.

Are Common Law and Cohabitors recognized by insurance companies and hospitals?

In states where Common Law marriage is recognized it's a "legal union". They even have to file for divorce upon termination of their relationships if they claimed common law marriage on any taxes or paperwork.

Aquila 06-14-2012 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1168103)
The earliest Biblical marriage is Abraham and Sarah. Then Isaac and Rebecca.

And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.
(Genesis 24:67)

Then we see marriage ceremonies. There was no law of Moses to go before governmental authorities to marry. But there was a requirement to write a bill of divorcement put it into the wife's hand if the man wanted to divorce her.

God made marriage between a man and a woman simple.

Government, insurance companies, corporate benefits etc. complicated marriage.

Question here for ya. Is it a stretch to say that when a man and woman make the decision to have sex, they have joined themselves together and become "married" in God's eyes?

I think it is. Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well saying...

John 4:16-18 (KJV)
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
If simply having intercourse made a man and woman "married" in God's sight, Jesus wouldn't have said that the man that this woman was living with wasn't her husband.

It would appear that in the most ancient of times "marriage" was a covenant between two families. Typically the father (or mother) of the bride and groom had to be in agreement with the union. Then the union had to be recognized by the families. Therefore at the bare minimum the parents of two partners would have to bless and agree with the union in order to be married in God's sight.

Aquila 06-14-2012 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1168104)
there are several kinds of marriage in the Bible

Yep. And God appears to bless men and women who enter into each of these institutions. That would lead me to conclude that God doesn't focus so much on a specific "morality" regarding marriage... but rather social justice. Marriage under the Law of Moses was a legally recognized institution designed to protect women and children from abandonment and exploitation. The dowry and the writ of divorcement (which established grounds for terminating the marriage before the judges) were a safety net.

Essentially, God allowed for various expressions of human intimacy... as long as it was legal and ensured justice towards all involved.

Aquila 06-14-2012 06:31 AM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
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Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry (Post 1168119)
I wondered if someone was going to post that picture of marriages in the Bible.

I'd also note that until after the Civil War, slaves were not permitted to contract marriages recognized under law, because they were property. So the slaves came up with their own rituals (e.g., "jumping the broom") to mark their own relationships. It didn't matter to the slaveowners, if they wanted to break up families, for whatever reason, they did, and there was no law stopping them. I have to wonder about the long-term impacts of a couple hundred years of constantly looming familial destabilization. It's not something that changed overnight, either. Up until 1967, interracial marriages were illegal in many states.

(I still remember my shock when I found my family's surname on a list of names to be scrutinized by Virginia county clerks when issuing marriage licenses, in order to catch people who were trying to marry across the color line. I also know that some of my ancestors would move a few states away and then marry across the color line, in a place where they weren't known. It's a weird feeling to imagine your ancestors getting married in defiance of law.)

So marriage laws are not always just. Many men today refuse to marry because of the legal implications. An article I read stated that never before in history has a man stood to loose so much (up to 40% of his income in some cases) by marrying a woman.

RandyWayne 06-14-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1168132)
So marriage laws are not always just. Many men today refuse to marry because of the legal implications. An article I read stated that never before in history has a man stood to loose so much (up to 40% of his income in some cases) by marrying a woman.

It is the loss of income on TOP of half or more of his assets -regardless of how the ex is doing. This doesn't even factor in child support. It is amazing how many women complain about their NBA ex's not paying 30-60 grand a month in child support (and only paying 10) when their children obviously need it!

AreYouReady? 06-14-2012 12:04 PM

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I think that the laws should consider who breaks the marriage covenant.

It is not fair to the man if the wife commits adultery, emotional abuse or just loses interest and wants to leave her husband. She should get zero money and goods if she leaves just because she is a sorry person. It becomes complicated if there are children because they are the innocent victims here.

However, if the man abuses or commits adultery on his wife and she leaves him, he should pay because he broke the marriage covenant.

In both circumstances, the spouses took vows to be faithful to each other till death do them part. They expected each to be their partner for life.

In many cases though, some good counseling by trained professionals and a large dose of forgiveness can do wonders for a marriage and for a couple's spiritual life with God.

Sometimes I think that when some people marry, they are not really considering all factors important for a long-lasting marriage. Too much emphasis in the media is placed on flawless physical beauty for both males and females. Physical beauty is important but it does not mean diddly squat when it comes to spiritual healthiness and responsibility.

It is scary when the church has as many people divorcing as the world. It is scary when the young people of the church are getting pregnant before they have their ceremonial matrimony.

Timmy 06-14-2012 12:21 PM

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The Apostle Paul could think of only one reason to get married.

Sam 06-14-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1168181)
The Apostle Paul could think of only one reason to get married.

was the Apostle Paul married?

Aquila 06-14-2012 12:54 PM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1168182)
was the Apostle Paul married?

I believe he was at one time. Most likely left him a widower or secured a divorce after his conversion. Many believe Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin. From what I read they were required to be married men.

Timmy 06-14-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1168189)
I believe he was at one time. Most likely left him a widower or secured a divorce after his conversion. Many believe Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin. From what I read they were required to be married men.

Dunno. He wasn't married when he wrote his advice.

TGBTG 06-14-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1168181)
The Apostle Paul could think of only one reason to get married.

Where do you get that from, 1 Cor 7?

Timmy 06-14-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1168192)
Where do you get that from, 1 Cor 7?

Yep! :)

TGBTG 06-14-2012 02:08 PM

Re: What Constitutues a Biblical Marriage?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1168193)
Yep! :)

1 Cor 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Avoiding fornication was not the only reason. He was just responding to specific questions he was asked by the Corinthians, and his answer was marriage is the scriptural way to avoid fornication. Ofcourse, we wouldn't tell 13 year olds to marry to prevent fornication...lol

You'll notice that when he talks about remaining single, he said it was his opinion and not something from the Lord.

1 Cor 7
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

Timmy 06-14-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1168198)
1 Cor 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Avoiding fornication was not the only reason.

It was the only exception he gave (see below) for his recommendation that people remain single, as he was.
Quote:

He was just responding to specific questions he was asked by the Corinthians, and his answer was marriage is the scriptural way to avoid fornication. Ofcourse, we wouldn't tell 13 year olds to marry to prevent fornication...lol

You'll notice that when he talks about remaining single, he said it was his opinion and not something from the Lord.

1 Cor 7
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
Yep. Didn't say he said it was a command from the Lord.

bbyrd009 06-14-2012 08:41 PM

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I think it's fair to say that even our idea of marriage
seems to have devolved quite a bit from those days.


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