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Bro. Robbins 07-02-2012 11:44 AM

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There are a few over-zealous tambourine players I would have loved to have seen this done to.... or at least an electric cattle prod....

http://kfor.com/2012/06/29/tambourin...hurch-service/

KeptByTheWord 07-02-2012 12:47 PM

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Wow, quite a story!

CC1 07-02-2012 01:02 PM

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There have been a few times I would have loved to tasered somebody playing the tambourine. Few things are as obnoxious as one or more people in an audience "helping" the band along with loud tambourine playing.

I know it is said to be worship but it is so obnoxious and draws so much attention to the person doing it (while taking away from the music) I have a hard time ascribing pure motives to most people who insist on doing this.

It had been many years since I had to listen to some goofy tambourine in an audience but a few months ago a lady visiting our church brought hers with her and went to town on it during praise and worship. It was very distracting. Luckily she only did it two services.

Bro. Robbins 07-02-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172344)
There have been a few times I would have loved to tasered somebody playing the tambourine. Few things are as obnoxious as one or more people in an audience "helping" the band along with loud tambourine playing.

I know it is said to be worship but it is so obnoxious and draws so much attention to the person doing it (while taking away from the music) I have a hard time ascribing pure motives to most people who insist on doing this.

It had been many years since I had to listen to some goofy tambourine in an audience but a few months ago a lady visiting our church brought hers with her and went to town on it during praise and worship. It was very distracting. Luckily she only did it two services.

See, now I don't mind it if they know how to play a tambourine. When I would preach back in the day at a Church of God in Christ, you'd have at least a dozen of them in the place, and they all knew how to play it. I even saw one young lady pick one up... and when she couldn't play it to please the older sister next to her, it was taken away and demonstrated properly. So, I love a tamborine... but only when done right... and unfortunately, many of the ones in the white churches don't have a clue of what "played right" is.

acerrak 07-02-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1172347)
So, I love a tamborine... but only when done right... and unfortunately, many of the ones in the white churches don't have a clue of what "played right" is.

cmon on now brotha we gots soul up in Here!

You know the ability to play instruments isnt based on color

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I heard a black preacher, He was talking about testimony of a exorcism. He stated the demon was played in cause of rap music and all that hip hop garbage, and had to be played out with christian music.................

the demon was played in? and had to be played out? is that how we supposed to play right?

CC1 07-02-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1172347)
See, now I don't mind it if they know how to play a tambourine. When I would preach back in the day at a Church of God in Christ, you'd have at least a dozen of them in the place, and they all knew how to play it. I even saw one young lady pick one up... and when she couldn't play it to please the older sister next to her, it was taken away and demonstrated properly. So, I love a tamborine... but only when done right... and unfortunately, many of the ones in the white churches don't have a clue of what "played right" is.

I don't doubt that there are some people out there who enjoy the sound of a dozen different tambourines playing at the same time. I would venture to guess though that you are few and far between. You might also try setting up some chalkboards in the sanctuary and urge people to run their fingernails over them. If you like a dozen tambouoines playing you very well might enjoy group chalk board scratching! That all of that tambourine playing will hinder more people in getting something from a service than help.

My favorite tambourine story is one told to me by a boss I had while in Bible College who was a backslidden UPC Pentecostal. He told me about when he was in church visiting a local independent OP church pastored by a woman (who turned out to be gay , another story!).

He said that this was one of those tambourine playing churches with fast loud music and quite a few tambourine players giving it all they had. He said that during a particularly fast song one player had banged and shook their tabmourine so hard it came apart and those little round discs of medal went flying everywehre. I have this mental picture of this killer tambourine t hat brings a smile to my face when I think about it!

Ferd 07-02-2012 02:19 PM

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I am sure you will all thihnk I am terrible.

But I am FOR the tazing of idiots!

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 02:38 PM

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This person had some kind of medical / mental problem at the root of her behavior.

Seems to me it could have been handled differently.

Bro. Robbins 07-02-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172379)
This person had some kind of medical / mental problem at the root of her behavior.

Seems to me it could have been handled differently.

Of course you do....

But they asked her to stop, she didn't, church security (deputy) escorts her out, and she starts to refuse and act up..... taze her, a couple of times if need be. She should learn, act like a fool... get tazed!!!!!!!!

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1172382)
Of course you do....

But they asked her to stop, she didn't, church security (deputy) escorts her out, and she starts to refuse and act up..... taze her, a couple of times if need be. She should learn, act like a fool... get tazed!!!!!!!!

So we want to taze the mentally disabled?
I guess it's ok as long as it's done outside of the church, and not inside the church? :)

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 02:58 PM

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Was she arrested?

Was she charged?

What was her crime?


Did the deputy have the right to taze this woman? With the details left out (on-duty or off-duty Deputy, imminent risk of danger to self or others) I'd say that municipality had better get ready for a lawsuit.

If that municipality argues that the Deputy was not acting in an official capacity, then I'd go after the Deputy for unlawful assault and battery.

Sam 07-02-2012 03:20 PM

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reminds me of something many many years ago.
I had preached in a small store front church here in Cincinnati.
Our oldest son will be 53 in a few months. Back then he was a toddler and told us after the service he didn't like "them jamborines."

I don't know if this is the same service where some good sister hugged my wife and got her hairnet caught on my wife's glasses and pulled the glasses off my wife's face.

This may have been the same service we drove 20-30 miles round trip during a severe cold spell in a car with holes in the floor boards and a non-operational heater. I think the offering was a little over $2.00 in change. This church had one restroom. It was behind the platform and the folks would line up along the side wall of the church next to the platform fidgeting and crossing their legs as they waited in line for access to that rest room. At least the restroom was indoors. A couple years ago I preached at a place that only had an outhouse behind the church.

Cindy 07-02-2012 03:40 PM

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I read in the comments that the lady had a mental disorder.

Ferd 07-02-2012 03:53 PM

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if she had a mental disorder, and was not simply an idiot... then tazing was likely the only recourse.

im not being funny here. Mental disorders are cruel things but those suffering cannot control themselves, but have strength beyond what you can imagin if you have never dealt with them. tazing might very well have been the only option.

that being said stupid people doing idiotic things need tazing!

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 04:03 PM

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Well I bet the Baptists will be more accepting of us Pentecostals now that we have ceased from casting devils out of people and have embraced tasing the idiots instead.

CC1 07-02-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172429)
Well I bet the Baptists will be more accepting of us Pentecostals now that we have ceased from casting devils out of people and have embraced tasing the idiots instead.

I say we taser them then pray for them!:happydance

BTW - Did you read the article or see the video? She was disrupting the service and they tried to get her to leave. She was tasered by an off duty deputy at the church because she would not stop disrupting the service and leave.

It is clear she has mental issues and the church did the right thing by having ushers or security personnel to try and remove her from the service where she was hindering people from hearing the word.

Do I wish it could have happened peacefully without her being tasered? Of course! Do I condemn them for ending up having to taser her? Of course not. I leave that to bleeding heart liberals like my friend German who apparently believes force is never to be used in life.

canam 07-02-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172379)
This person had some kind of medical / mental problem at the root of her behavior.

Seems to me it could have been handled differently.

what a shocka JD ya i agree with you, they should have hit her with the glock 9 mil

Cindy 07-02-2012 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by canam (Post 1172450)
what a shocka JD ya i agree with you, they should have hit her with the glock 9 mil

What? I hope you're kidding.

canam 07-02-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172391)
Was she arrested?

Was she charged?

What was her crime?


Did the deputy have the right to taze this woman? With the details left out (on-duty or off-duty Deputy, imminent risk of danger to self or others) I'd say that municipality had better get ready for a lawsuit.

If that municipality argues that the Deputy was not acting in an official capacity, then I'd go after the Deputy for unlawful assault and battery.

yes ,disorderly conduct and disturbing a religious gathering ,which is a federal crime btw.

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172430)
I say we taser them then pray for them!:happydance

BTW - Did you read the article or see the video? She was disrupting the service and they tried to get her to leave. She was tasered by an off duty deputy at the church because she would not stop disrupting the service and leave.

It is clear she has mental issues and the church did the right thing by having ushers or security personnel to try and remove her from the service where she was hindering people from hearing the word.

Do I wish it could have happened peacefully without her being tasered? Of course! Do I condemn them for ending up having to taser her? Of course not. I leave that to bleeding heart liberals like my friend German who apparently believes force is never to be used in life.

I agree with the use of force, violence, killing to preserve life, only when necessary.

CC1 07-02-2012 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172457)
I agree with the use of force, violence, killing to preserve life, only when necessary.

So let me get this straight. When the police go to arrest somebody if that person resists they should just let them go unless they are threatening the cops life.

You are so out of touch with reality you make Al Gore look on top of things! (J/K - sort of):heeheehee

CC1 07-02-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172489)
So let me get this straight. When the police go to arrest somebody if that person resists they should just let them go unless they are threatening the cops life.

If so you are so out of touch with reality you make Al Gore look on top of things! (J/K - sort of):heeheehee

I have a feeling you didn't think your statement through very carefully before posting it. At least I hope that is the case.

Jermyn Davidson 07-02-2012 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172491)
I have a feeling you didn't think your statement through very carefully before posting it. At least I hope that is the case.

No, I listed a clear escalation from force, to violence, to killing, only when necessary.

If it is necessary for a cop to use force when dealing with a person resisting arrest, the cop should use overwhelming force to efficiently perform his duties.

However, overwhelming force does not mean kill.

Remember when the Oakland Subway Police shot and killed a man that was handcuffed and laying on his stomach BEFORE he was shot?

That was unnecesary.


Most cases of police brutality that see the light of headlines are headlines because the cops involved did not practice proper judgment.


I question the judgment of tasering a mentally ill person. She could have died, then what?

She died outside of church because she wouldn't/couldn't stop beating her tambourine?

See the lunacy in that?

AreYouReady? 07-02-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172429)
Well I bet the Baptists will be more accepting of us Pentecostals now that we have ceased from casting devils out of people and have embraced tasing the idiots instead.

According to the article:
Myers said, “She was not filled with the Holy spirit. She was not being very Christianly and this is why the folks decided to get her out as soon as possible.”


So...why didn't the elders and saints just converge on her and anoint her with oil and pray for her instead?


Just a thought....

houston 07-02-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

According to the article:
Myers said, “She was not filled with the Holy spirit. She was not being very Christianly and this is why the folks decided to get her out as soon as possible.”

So...why didn't the elders and saints just converge on her and anoint her with oil and pray for her instead?

Just a thought....

You don't deliver people that don't want deliverance.

tv1a 07-02-2012 09:14 PM

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Lindell Cooley visited a local AofG church last year. My family and I were seated in the front row. A lady came down in the middle of service whooping and hollering flinging her arms all over the place. She was a huge distraction. The preacher and the ushers didn't do anything. After a few minutes, I silently muttered prayer under that she would be slain in the Spirit. I said it half-joking. I few seconds later, I looked over, and she was on the floor. She stayed there until the service was over.

I like the taser idea better.

CC1 07-02-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172495)
No, I listed a clear escalation from force, to violence, to killing, only when necessary.

If it is necessary for a cop to use force when dealing with a person resisting arrest, the cop should use overwhelming force to efficiently perform his duties.

However, overwhelming force does not mean kill.

Remember when the Oakland Subway Police shot and killed a man that was handcuffed and laying on his stomach BEFORE he was shot?

That was unnecesary.


Most cases of police brutality that see the light of headlines are headlines because the cops involved did not practice proper judgment.


I question the judgment of tasering a mentally ill person. She could have died, then what?

She died outside of church because she wouldn't/couldn't stop beating her tambourine?

See the lunacy in that?

German, I apologize that I misread your post. Upon reading it again I see what you were saying. The first time I took it to mean you did not believe in using force unless life was being threatened. Whew, I am glad I read wrong and you are not that far gone!

CC1 07-02-2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1172503)
You don't deliver people that don't want deliverance.

Zactly!:highfive

tv1a 07-02-2012 09:19 PM

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We don't know the backstory. I would bet this wasn't the first time she caused a disturbance. There are some situations where you don't want to draw attention to that type of behavior. She wasn't there to be saved or be healed. She was there to cause a scene. I'm sure the woman had plenty times to ask for deliverance.


Quote:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1172502)
According to the article:
Myers said, She was not filled with the Holy spirit. She was not being very Christianly and this is why the folks decided to get her out as soon as possible.


So...why didn't the elders and saints just converge on her and anoint her with oil and pray for her instead?


Just a thought....


canam 07-02-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1172457)
I agree with the use of force, violence, killing to preserve life, only when necessary.

hard to beleieve you were ever military,hope you aint allegedly defending us still !

AreYouReady? 07-02-2012 09:47 PM

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Apparently there must be something on that video that I cannot view on my sucky dialup connection.

I am reading the article and I do not get these same assumptions as you all out of the article. Perhaps I will view the video when I can get to a place where I can use fast access to see if I come to the same conclusion as you all.

CC1 07-02-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by canam (Post 1172509)
hard to beleieve you were ever military,hope you aint allegedly defending us still !

I can't imagine German making it through boot camp. I mean with those horrible, mean, unfair drill Sergeant's and all.

I would have thought the first time he asked if he could hug the enemy instead of fighting them he would have been out the door.

acerrak 07-03-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1172504)
Lindell Cooley visited a local AofG church last year. My family and I were seated in the front row. A lady came down in the middle of service whooping and hollering flinging her arms all over the place. She was a huge distraction. The preacher and the ushers didn't do anything. After a few minutes, I silently muttered prayer under that she would be slain in the Spirit. I said it half-joking. I few seconds later, I looked over, and she was on the floor. She stayed there until the service was over.

I like the taser idea better.

yea sounds like that women Got the Holy ghost!

Bro. Robbins 07-03-2012 07:40 AM

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There are many assumptions, rabbit trails, etc going on here... but we must take the story at face value... and having served on the staff of some larger churches like this one looks like... the crazies and the nuts show up from time to time and will do what ever exercises it takes to get attention... and I believe it is a spirit even sometimes manifesting to just bring confusion and chaos. God isn't the author of confusion.

And the best way to address that spirit isn't always by greasing them down like a pig at the county fair and casting the legion out of them... because that spirit wants attention, and that just feeds into the distraction.

Many times, the best way to deal with it is get it out of the service... and from what I read in the story... they had the church security detail, an off duty sheriff's deputy... which many churches use on their security detail... to escort her out.

She then became beligerant and wouldn't follow the instructions of the law officer. At that point, he is well within his rights to maintain control with whatever force is necessary... and it's appropriate. If she is showing that she will not physically calm down, and will not follow the instructions of the law officer, there is reasonable expectation that she might enter the service again and disrupt it (which is against the law), and maybe even cause harm to someone or herself.

He tased her, not only to control her, but in the end, also helps keeping her from possibly hurting herself since she showed behavior that was sporadic and out of control.

He was totally within his duty and rights, he protected the church, and in the end even probably protected her. And for many of these "crazies" that like to disrupt services, an encounter to this degree is just what it takes for them to open their eyes that something isn't right and then ask for help. You can't force help on someone that doesn't know they need it.

I not only favor tasering her... but also put a restraining order on her to keep her off the campus, unless she will go through some in depth counseling and treatment.

Dagwood 07-03-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1172347)
See, now I don't mind it if they know how to play a tambourine. When I would preach back in the day at a Church of God in Christ, you'd have at least a dozen of them in the place, and they all knew how to play it. I even saw one young lady pick one up... and when she couldn't play it to please the older sister next to her, it was taken away and demonstrated properly. So, I love a tamborine... but only when done right... and unfortunately, many of the ones in the white churches don't have a clue of what "played right" is.

Two of us that like tambourines...when played right.

Ferd 07-03-2012 09:18 AM

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Dont taze me bro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

AreYouReady? 07-03-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1172537)
There are many assumptions, rabbit trails, etc going on here... but we must take the story at face value... and having served on the staff of some larger churches like this one looks like... the crazies and the nuts show up from time to time and will do what ever exercises it takes to get attention... and I believe it is a spirit even sometimes manifesting to just bring confusion and chaos. God isn't the author of confusion.

And the best way to address that spirit isn't always by greasing them down like a pig at the county fair and casting the legion out of them... because that spirit wants attention, and that just feeds into the distraction.

Many times, the best way to deal with it is get it out of the service... and from what I read in the story... they had the church security detail, an off duty sheriff's deputy... which many churches use on their security detail... to escort her out.

She then became beligerant and wouldn't follow the instructions of the law officer. At that point, he is well within his rights to maintain control with whatever force is necessary... and it's appropriate. If she is showing that she will not physically calm down, and will not follow the instructions of the law officer, there is reasonable expectation that she might enter the service again and disrupt it (which is against the law), and maybe even cause harm to someone or herself.

He tased her, not only to control her, but in the end, also helps keeping her from possibly hurting herself since she showed behavior that was sporadic and out of control.

He was totally within his duty and rights, he protected the church, and in the end even probably protected her. And for many of these "crazies" that like to disrupt services, an encounter to this degree is just what it takes for them to open their eyes that something isn't right and then ask for help. You can't force help on someone that doesn't know they need it.

I not only favor tasering her... but also put a restraining order on her to keep her off the campus, unless she will go through some in depth counseling and treatment.

Keep in mind that there are still a few of us who only have dialup at our homes because the big companies do not want to spend the money to bring fast access internet to our little community. That said, we can only go by "face value" of what is written in these articles.

Now that I was able to view this video, I still have concerns that this lady was tazed instead of the ministry and people praying for her first. If there was a controlling demon or a spirit of confusion in this woman, don't you think it would either be cast out or the woman would flee from the Name of Jesus being called over her with anointing oils? Instead you would rather give her to the psychiatric unit of the hospital so your services would not be disrupted?

Your post reminds me of the verses in the Bible about a man in the cave, who nobody could bind or tame saw Jesus afar off and came running to him and worshipped Him. Jesus asked his name, which was Legion, for we are many, it replied. Jesus cast them into the swine which ran into the water and drowned. The people came and saw the one possessed with demons, sane and in his right mind. The people were afraid and besought Jesus to leave.

So this brings up something that I have not thought about much. Why did they ask Jesus to leave?

What an opportunity for the power of God to perform a miracle in this tazered woman's life and for the people who could have witnessed such a miracle to testify it to others about what happened at church this Wednesday evening wasted.

Are we not in the same shape as the people who sought Jesus to leave their coasts?

Ferd 07-03-2012 11:34 AM

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Taze'um all!

canam 07-03-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172515)
I can't imagine German making it through boot camp. I mean with those horrible, mean, unfair drill Sergeant's and all.

I would have thought the first time he asked if he could hug the enemy instead of fighting them he would have been out the door.

roflmbo :heeheehee Can we kill then kindly Sarge.? Its who we are we have to be an example to the world Sarge pretty please

Sam 07-03-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1172515)
I can't imagine German making it through boot camp. I mean with those horrible, mean, unfair drill Sergeant's and all.

I would have thought the first time he asked if he could hug the enemy instead of fighting them he would have been out the door.

reminds me of one of our High School teachers describing combat during World War 2 "...It was dark and noisy and we just shot and hoped we didn't hit anybody..."


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