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tv1a 07-07-2012 12:55 PM

What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Clip from one of my favorite Radio personalities.

http://youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en...&v=YAJyMpXRFkA

Dordrecht 07-07-2012 01:24 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Legalism is alive and well on this forum.

1000's think to be saved by works, works, and more works.

scotty 07-07-2012 02:16 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Exactly what I have always known people think.

1. they are christian, so , duh.
2. they hate it because it smacks their lifestyle in the face.
and
3. they just dont care either way.

bbyrd009 07-07-2012 02:24 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Um, which Christians?

bbyrd009 07-07-2012 02:26 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1173647)
Legalism is alive and well on this forum.

1000's think to be saved by works, works, and more works.

Thankfully,
"a good deed covers many sins."
Work away, I say.

Dordrecht 07-07-2012 04:07 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173651)
Thankfully,
"a good deed covers many sins."
Work away, I say.

Yes, if you avoid great sins Allah will amend the bad deeds and minor sins ...
and Allah will change their sins into good deeds …

But the question referred to Christians, Bbyrd.

trialedbyfire 07-07-2012 04:33 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
It doesn't matter what they think. They need to get saved or they're in danger of Hellfire and it doesn't matter whether or not they "don't like us" they can't us "us" as an excuse for not seeking the Lord for themselves. Just saying.

Walks_in_islam 07-07-2012 05:16 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins

you may be sure that whoever brings a sinner back from his wrong path will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1173672)
Yes, if you avoid great sins Allah will amend the bad deeds and minor sins ...
and Allah will change their sins into good deeds …

But the question referred to Christians, Bbyrd.


bbyrd009 07-07-2012 05:25 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1173672)
Yes, if you avoid great sins Allah will amend the bad deeds and minor sins ...
and Allah will change their sins into good deeds …

But the question referred to Christians, Bbyrd.

Well, the quote was from the Bible, Dordt...and the Qur'an does not say that, that I am aware; can you quote?

bbyrd009 07-07-2012 05:32 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1173681)
It doesn't matter what they think. They need to get saved or they're in danger of Hellfire and it doesn't matter whether or not they "don't like us" they can't us "us" as an excuse for not seeking the Lord for themselves. Just saying.

To the extent that a Christian willingly or ignorantly bars the door to others' entry, I might say that God disagrees
(at the risk of receiving further infractions).

Walks_in_islam 07-07-2012 05:47 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Sikhism:

Good deeds are the manifestation of a healthy spiritual life. Good deeds create merit, improve one's relationship with God, and are the best way to annul the effects of past evil deeds.

Heaven is not attained without good deeds.

Christianity:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Charity covers a multitude of sins

what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
If a brother or sister is ill- clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled" without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?

Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone


Islam:

Good deeds annul evil deeds. This is a reminder for the mindful.

Be mindful of your duty [to God], and do good works; and again, be mindful of your duty, and believe; and once again: be mindful of your duty, and do right. God loves the doers of good.

Hinduism:

No one who does good deeds will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come. When such people die, they go to other realms where the righteous live.

Buddhism:

Whoever, by a good deed, covers the evil done, such a one illumines this world like the moon freed from clouds.

Judaism:

I call heaven and earth to witness: whether Jew or Gentile, whether man or woman, whether servant or freeman, they are all equal in this: that the Holy Spirit rests upon them in accordance with their deeds!

He who carries out one good deed acquires for himself one advocate in his own behalf, and he who commits one transgression acquires one accuser against himself. Repentance and good works are like a shield against calamity.

Dordrecht 07-07-2012 06:21 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173697)
Well, the quote was from the Bible, Dordt...and the Qur'an does not say that, that I am aware; can you quote?

Who mentioned the Koran?
You are not familiar with the Seerah stories???

Dordrecht 07-07-2012 06:25 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1173701)
Sikhism:

Good deeds are the manifestation of a healthy spiritual life. Good deeds create merit, improve one's relationship with God, and are the best way to annul the effects of past evil deeds.

Heaven is not attained without good deeds.

Christianity:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Charity covers a multitude of sins

what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
If a brother or sister is ill- clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled" without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?

Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone


Islam:

Good deeds annul evil deeds. This is a reminder for the mindful.

Be mindful of your duty [to God], and do good works; and again, be mindful of your duty, and believe; and once again: be mindful of your duty, and do right. God loves the doers of good.

Hinduism:

No one who does good deeds will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come. When such people die, they go to other realms where the righteous live.

Buddhism:

Whoever, by a good deed, covers the evil done, such a one illumines this world like the moon freed from clouds.

Judaism:

I call heaven and earth to witness: whether Jew or Gentile, whether man or woman, whether servant or freeman, they are all equal in this: that the Holy Spirit rests upon them in accordance with their deeds!

He who carries out one good deed acquires for himself one advocate in his own behalf, and he who commits one transgression acquires one accuser against himself. Repentance and good works are like a shield against calamity.

All based on works.

Walks_in_islam 07-07-2012 06:44 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Including the referenced passages from the bible and yes the Quran. Innocently wondering if you would like some more

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1173712)
All based on works.


bbyrd009 07-07-2012 06:49 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1173711)
Who mentioned the Koran?
You are not familiar with the Seerah stories???

Ah, no; i have only heard the phrase, have not read them.

trialedbyfire 07-07-2012 06:59 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173698)
To the extent that a Christian willingly or ignorantly bars the door to others' entry, I might say that God disagrees
(at the risk of receiving further infractions).

There's one plan of salvation. God would not design a plan of salvation if man could "willingly or ignorantly bar" the door to it. Man has no power to do that. Salvation is a free gift given to man, you are either determined to see Jesus and you will or you are not determined and you will not. If you want to be saved from sin, he will save you. End of story. The church will always have evil men within it. There were twelve apostles, one of them (Judas) was demon possessed. Using that ratio, I go to a church of 1500, so how many do you think are sitting in those pews? Still doesn't make your salvation any more your responsability. Nobody can block you from salvation. It is yours for the taking. We live in an excuse filled generations, everyone has an excuse as for what "so and so" did. "So and so" will not be there when you see Jesus and give an account before him for the sins you commited. That's all I'm saying.

bbyrd009 07-07-2012 08:09 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1173719)
There's one plan of salvation. God would not design a plan of salvation if man could "willingly or ignorantly bar" the door to it. Man has no power to do that. Salvation is a free gift given to man, you are either determined to see Jesus and you will or you are not determined and you will not. If you want to be saved from sin, he will save you. End of story. The church will always have evil men within it. There were twelve apostles, one of them (Judas) was demon possessed. Using that ratio, I go to a church of 1500, so how many do you think are sitting in those pews? Still doesn't make your salvation any more your responsability. Nobody can block you from salvation. It is yours for the taking. We live in an excuse filled generations, everyone has an excuse as for what "so and so" did. "So and so" will not be there when you see Jesus and give an account before him for the sins you commited. That's all I'm saying.

Hmm, and yet there is a curse reserved in Scripture for those who would not enter, and yet bar the door for others; pretty sure it goes something like "...better that a millstone were hung on your neck..." so again, I must say that Scripture disagrees, and man does indeed have the power to do just that.

While I don't disagree that a seeker will find God anyway, we are not talking about them; we are talking about the "Christian" barring the door. It is not even possible that this person would claim a different faith; only someone claiming Christianity could bar the door to Christianity--someone claiming a different message would not be heeded in this case.

trialedbyfire 07-07-2012 08:46 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173730)
Hmm, and yet there is a curse reserved in Scripture for those who would not enter, and yet bar the door for others; pretty sure it goes something like "...better that a millstone were hung on your neck..." so again, I must say that Scripture disagrees, and man does indeed have the power to do just that.

While I don't disagree that a seeker will find God anyway, we are not talking about them; we are talking about the "Christian" barring the door. It is not even possible that this person would claim a different faith; only someone claiming Christianity could bar the door to Christianity--someone claiming a different message would not be heeded in this case.

But my point is that that doesn't negate every one's personal responsability for their own sin.

Michael The Disciple 07-08-2012 06:22 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Jesus said woe to you when men speak well of you. Jesus said we would be hated by all nations.

bbyrd009 07-08-2012 07:57 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1173733)
But my point is that that doesn't negate every one's personal responsability for their own sin.

amen.

bbyrd009 07-08-2012 07:58 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1173745)
Jesus said woe to you when men speak well of you. Jesus said we would be hated by all nations.

Ok, but I could dig up some verse that testifies to the opposite, also--these should be understood in context.

tv1a 07-08-2012 08:08 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Many Christians think they are being persecuted because they are a christian. In reality, many christians act like the southbound end of a mule.

Pilgrum 07-08-2012 09:29 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
I think the peoples answers in the video were based in ignorance. I think most non-Christians opinions of Christians are based on:

1) The bad apples. Those who claim to be Christian but have no clue to what a Christian walk is. Or..

2) A natural reaction to the conviction they resist when confronted with the truth of their need for rejuvenation, then blaming God and Christians for all the problems of the world.

Walks_in_islam 07-08-2012 10:06 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
All those people are ignorant?

Nice screen name. Speaking of pilgrims - I wonder why those pilgrims left their homes to come to a new place. I wonder why it was felt that the very first words in the bill of rights address religion.

Christianity, unchecked, has been historically proven to be a dangerous thing. Maybe those on the street who you call ignorant have awareness of this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrum (Post 1173759)
I think the peoples answers in the video were based in ignorance. I think most non-Christians opinions of Christians are based on:

1) The bad apples. Those who claim to be Christian but have no clue to what a Christian walk is. Or..

2) A natural reaction to the conviction they resist when confronted with the truth of their need for rejuvenation, then blaming God and Christians for all the problems of the world.


bbyrd009 07-08-2012 10:39 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
To be fair to all, it should be realized
and admitted that any stronghold for God
will be relentlessly attacked by satan.
The term "a Christian" has deliberately become
so diluted as to be meaningless, and you can be assured
that any other religion that is as close or closer to God
is also being relentlessly attacked.

One may recognize the Bride of Christ as
necessarily being completely free of such labels, "Christian" included.

Pilgrum 07-08-2012 11:38 AM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1173763)
All those people are ignorant?

Nice screen name. Speaking of pilgrims - I wonder why those pilgrims left their homes to come to a new place. I wonder why it was felt that the very first words in the bill of rights address religion.

Christianity, unchecked, has been historically proven to be a dangerous thing. Maybe those on the street who you call ignorant have awareness of this.

Yes, ignorant to what being a Christian (or being part of the bride of Christ or whatever terms you choice) is really all about. You can't know that from the outside looking in.

1) Again their perspectives are obscured by all of the false pretenses of Christianity out there.
2) The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that perish.

Christianity is dangerous to Satan's purposes. The Jews crucified Jesus because He was dangerous to them.

Walks_in_islam 07-08-2012 12:10 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
I am puzzled now. You are saying, for instance, that, say, lemme think, Galileo was doing the work of satan? Christianity was pretty dangerous in this example to one who simply believed that the earth rotated the sun.

He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest

Good work (by the church) dude. Except.......wasnt he right? LOL......


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrum (Post 1173775)
Yes, ignorant to what being a Christian (or being part of the bride of Christ or whatever terms you choice) is really all about. You can't know that from the outside looking in.

1) Again their perspectives are obscured by all of the false pretenses of Christianity out there.
2) The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that perish.

Christianity is dangerous to Satan's purposes. The Jews crucified Jesus because He was dangerous to them.


tv1a 07-08-2012 01:37 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
The word christian started out as a derogatory term. The equivalent to a racial slur. A person's life should be lived in a way that doesn't leave any question if Jesus is Lord.

I usually avoid people who go overboard with honk if you love Jesus, send this picture back to me if you love Jesus. Jesus isn't looking for cheap gimmicks. All you have to do is love people. That's the sign you are a disciple of Christ. That's in the book.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173768)
To be fair to all, it should be realized
and admitted that any stronghold for God
will be relentlessly attacked by satan.
The term "a Christian" has deliberately become
so diluted as to be meaningless, and you can be assured
that any other religion that is as close or closer to God
is also being relentlessly attacked.

One may recognize the Bride of Christ as
necessarily being completely free of such labels, "Christian" included.


Pilgrum 07-08-2012 01:53 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1173777)
I am puzzled now. You are saying, for instance, that, say, lemme think, Galileo was doing the work of satan? Christianity was pretty dangerous in this example to one who simply believed that the earth rotated the sun.

He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest

Good work (by the church) dude. Except.......wasnt he right? LOL......

By your name I think you are in wrong forum, dude. That's all I have to say about that.

Walks_in_islam 07-08-2012 04:47 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Very succinct and clever reply dude

Thankfully (best john wayne version of "pilgrim") I wont be tried for this, convicted of heresy, forced to recant, and spend my natural life under house arrest LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrum (Post 1173786)
By your name I think you are in wrong forum, dude. That's all I have to say about that.


bbyrd009 07-08-2012 06:12 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Hmm, yet we have an "Islamic news and views"...
but I see this "you are different from us" spirit
rampant here; "Islam-o-bash" might be a better forum name there.

Kind of brings up a good point, tho,
about the term "Christian."
It is a name--or prolly Name would be better--
that some, many might associate with "good,"
while others might usurp with evil intent
(and all should see "excluders" in the last group, imo)

Maybe if he changed his name to "Apo friend" or something,
all your troubles might just...disappear?

Ok and all that Catholic heresy was why
we Protested, I think, WII.

Walks_in_islam 07-08-2012 06:27 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
LOL some of the bashing is earned, some is unearned.

Now byrd (serious and grave look) you aren't saying that those pilgrims were fleeing persecution by the catholics are you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173816)
Hmm, yet we have an "Islamic news and views"...
but I see this "you are different from us" spirit
rampant here; "Islam-o-bash" might be a better forum name there.

Kind of brings up a good point, tho,
about the term "Christian."
It is a name--or prolly Name would be better--
that some, many might associate with "good,"
while others might usurp with evil intent
(and all should see "excluders" in the last group, imo)

Maybe if he changed his name to "Apo friend" or something,
all your troubles might just...disappear?

Ok and all that Catholic heresy was why
we Protested, I think, WII.


bbyrd009 07-08-2012 06:35 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
Hmm, I seriously doubt an American Indian would
put it that way; but hey, that's why God invented
"Manifest Destiny," right? :toofunny

Walks_in_islam 07-08-2012 06:41 PM

Re: What Do People Think About Christians?
 
hm......the French and Indian wars sorted of pitted the Indians against those good christian settlers alongside the catholics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1173822)
Hmm, I seriously doubt an American Indian would
put it that way; but hey, that's why God invented
"Manifest Destiny," right? :toofunny



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